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Re: hensoldt
I think you can order that option. I just did a wuick search on a couple supporter's site's, and it doesn't look like there are to many out there sittin on the shelves.
Try 'Euro optics', or 'SWFA' or 'sport optics'...all great people to talk to and chew there ear off
I think you can order that option. I just did a wuick search on a couple supporter's site's, and it doesn't look like there are to many out there sittin on the shelves.
Try 'Euro optics', or 'SWFA' or 'sport optics'...all great people to talk to and chew there ear off
Re: hensoldt
I second that.
I'd recommend you learn more about MIL vs. MOA and then order a Hensoldt (with MIL)
I second that.
I'd recommend you learn more about MIL vs. MOA and then order a Hensoldt (with MIL)
Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why would want MOA? </div></div>
+1
Once you learn how to use the reticle, you'd regret the hell out of getting MOA adjustments.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why would want MOA? </div></div>
+1
Once you learn how to use the reticle, you'd regret the hell out of getting MOA adjustments.
Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why would want MOA?</div></div>
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">why would want MOA?</div></div>
+1
Re: hensoldt
I got into shooting long range about 2 years ago, the MOA method is what I first read about and it seemed easy so I just stuck with that. All my other scopes are in MOA so why would I buy a mil scope now and try to use both methods. I havent really even tried to learn mil, what are the benefits of it over the MOA?
I got into shooting long range about 2 years ago, the MOA method is what I first read about and it seemed easy so I just stuck with that. All my other scopes are in MOA so why would I buy a mil scope now and try to use both methods. I havent really even tried to learn mil, what are the benefits of it over the MOA?
Re: hensoldt
Try Mils, it's a dead simple system, and every single scope manufacture on the planet makes a MilDot scope, and most also have matching .1mrad knobs, the MOA world is totally different, no two scope makers have the same reticle, 1/8 1/4 1/2 and 1 MOA knobs, I used to be a MOA guy, but I have since seen the light.
Try Mils, it's a dead simple system, and every single scope manufacture on the planet makes a MilDot scope, and most also have matching .1mrad knobs, the MOA world is totally different, no two scope makers have the same reticle, 1/8 1/4 1/2 and 1 MOA knobs, I used to be a MOA guy, but I have since seen the light.
Re: hensoldt
For one, there's no more converting inches to clicks in your head. See your impact, measure it with the reticle, and dial your correction.
I'll never buy an MOA scope with a mil reticle again. Too damn confusing for my simple brain.
For one, there's no more converting inches to clicks in your head. See your impact, measure it with the reticle, and dial your correction.
I'll never buy an MOA scope with a mil reticle again. Too damn confusing for my simple brain.
Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does the hensoldt scopes have an option with MOA click values </div></div>
No we dont.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does the hensoldt scopes have an option with MOA click values </div></div>
No we dont.
Re: hensoldt
What are the advantages of a mil/mil setup over a moa/moa one? I realize hensoldt doesn't have a moa reticle, but hypothetically speaking would it matter as long as the reticle matched the turret?
What are the advantages of a mil/mil setup over a moa/moa one? I realize hensoldt doesn't have a moa reticle, but hypothetically speaking would it matter as long as the reticle matched the turret?
Re: hensoldt
There is really no advantage either way...It just comes down to which math you are more comfortable with.
There is really no advantage either way...It just comes down to which math you are more comfortable with.
Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lennyo3034</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but hypothetically speaking would it matter as long as the reticle matched the turret? </div></div>
It doesn;t but many will point out (correctly) that some manufacturers use true moa, some use IPHY and call it MOA, some call it SMOA and its moa....too much variation.
A mil is 36" at 1k yds or 1m a 1000m, or 1 car length at 1000 car lengths, etc-doesn't matter what you use for a measurement.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lennyo3034</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but hypothetically speaking would it matter as long as the reticle matched the turret? </div></div>
It doesn;t but many will point out (correctly) that some manufacturers use true moa, some use IPHY and call it MOA, some call it SMOA and its moa....too much variation.
A mil is 36" at 1k yds or 1m a 1000m, or 1 car length at 1000 car lengths, etc-doesn't matter what you use for a measurement.
Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lennyo3034</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but hypothetically speaking would it matter as long as the reticle matched the turret? </div></div>
It doesn;t but many will point out (correctly) that some manufacturers use true moa, some use IPHY and call it MOA, some call it SMOA and its moa....too much variation.
A mil is 36" at 1k yds or 1m a 1000m, or 1 car length at 1000 car lengths, etc-doesn't matter what you use for a measurement.</div></div>
It should be noted that not all milliradians are the same, either, but the differences tend to be much more minor than the difference between MOA and IPHY, which is around 5%.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: lennyo3034</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but hypothetically speaking would it matter as long as the reticle matched the turret? </div></div>
It doesn;t but many will point out (correctly) that some manufacturers use true moa, some use IPHY and call it MOA, some call it SMOA and its moa....too much variation.
A mil is 36" at 1k yds or 1m a 1000m, or 1 car length at 1000 car lengths, etc-doesn't matter what you use for a measurement.</div></div>
It should be noted that not all milliradians are the same, either, but the differences tend to be much more minor than the difference between MOA and IPHY, which is around 5%.
Re: hensoldt
clinto:
Here is a link to a very nice discussion/explanation of the MIL/MOA vs. MIL/MIL:
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2281587#Post2281587
I hope that this helps.
clinto:
Here is a link to a very nice discussion/explanation of the MIL/MOA vs. MIL/MIL:
http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2281587#Post2281587
I hope that this helps.
Re: hensoldt
I understand the importance of matching the reticle to the turrets. The scopes I have now are MOA/MOA.
JRose, with MIL wouldnt you still have to convert inches to clicks?
So if I shot 5" low at say 600yds, I would have to know that 1 mil at 600 is 21.6 in so clicks would be 2.16 so I would probably click up twice. Thats not too hard but I cant to 3.6 x 6 in my head, very quickly at least
With MOA, i would know that 1MOA at 600 is about 6". 1/4 of that is 1.5 so I would click up 3 times.
It just seems easier to me, but if I am missing something with the MIL way then yall let me know, because Im really tryin to talk myself into a hesoldt. Ive learned alot over the past couple years mostly due to this site but im still very much a newbie, so help is appreciated
I understand the importance of matching the reticle to the turrets. The scopes I have now are MOA/MOA.
JRose, with MIL wouldnt you still have to convert inches to clicks?
So if I shot 5" low at say 600yds, I would have to know that 1 mil at 600 is 21.6 in so clicks would be 2.16 so I would probably click up twice. Thats not too hard but I cant to 3.6 x 6 in my head, very quickly at least
With MOA, i would know that 1MOA at 600 is about 6". 1/4 of that is 1.5 so I would click up 3 times.
It just seems easier to me, but if I am missing something with the MIL way then yall let me know, because Im really tryin to talk myself into a hesoldt. Ive learned alot over the past couple years mostly due to this site but im still very much a newbie, so help is appreciated
Re: hensoldt
The nice thing about the reticle matching the knobs is that you could look through your reticle and see you hit 1 mil low at 600 and you could instantly dial in 1 mil or hold 1 mil higher. If your turrets were in moa and your reticle in mils, then you would see that you hit 1 mil low according to your reticle then have to convert it to 3.6 moa when you dial. It's fairly simple with the example of 1 mil, but when you see that you hit about .8 low it gets a lot tougher to do the conversion to moa in your head.
The nice thing about the reticle matching the knobs is that you could look through your reticle and see you hit 1 mil low at 600 and you could instantly dial in 1 mil or hold 1 mil higher. If your turrets were in moa and your reticle in mils, then you would see that you hit 1 mil low according to your reticle then have to convert it to 3.6 moa when you dial. It's fairly simple with the example of 1 mil, but when you see that you hit about .8 low it gets a lot tougher to do the conversion to moa in your head.
Re: hensoldt
well couldnt you do the same thing if your reticle and turrets matched in moa. i guess in my original post i should have asked if Hensoldt had a moa reticle and moa turrets.
well couldnt you do the same thing if your reticle and turrets matched in moa. i guess in my original post i should have asked if Hensoldt had a moa reticle and moa turrets.
Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if I am missing something with the MIL way then yall let me know,</div></div>
Yes, as mentioned what you're missing is you never do this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if I shot 5" low at say 600yds,</div></div>
How do you know you are 5" low? You need to know the size of the target and guestimate based upon its size. Sometimes you know it, sometimes you don't. Or you need to run out there with a ruler and measure. Don't do that.
Instead, measure with the reticle that you are .23 Mils low. Then you don't need to know how big the target is. Or how far away it is. Measure the angle, that's all that matters.
While MOA is more convenient to use when you're measuring things in inches, measuring things in inches itself is an unnecessary step so it's not really easier at all.
Did that help?
And yes, you can do the same thing with MOA. Unless you want a Hensoldt or S&B or....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">if I am missing something with the MIL way then yall let me know,</div></div>
Yes, as mentioned what you're missing is you never do this:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So if I shot 5" low at say 600yds,</div></div>
How do you know you are 5" low? You need to know the size of the target and guestimate based upon its size. Sometimes you know it, sometimes you don't. Or you need to run out there with a ruler and measure. Don't do that.
Instead, measure with the reticle that you are .23 Mils low. Then you don't need to know how big the target is. Or how far away it is. Measure the angle, that's all that matters.
While MOA is more convenient to use when you're measuring things in inches, measuring things in inches itself is an unnecessary step so it's not really easier at all.
Did that help?
And yes, you can do the same thing with MOA. Unless you want a Hensoldt or S&B or....
Re: hensoldt
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Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand the importance of matching the reticle to the turrets. The scopes I have now are MOA/MOA.
JRose, with MIL wouldnt you still have to convert inches to clicks?
So if I shot 5" low at say 600yds, I would have to know that 1 mil at 600 is 21.6 in so clicks would be 2.16 so I would probably click up twice. Thats not too hard but I cant to 3.6 x 6 in my head, very quickly at least
With MOA, i would know that 1MOA at 600 is about 6". 1/4 of that is 1.5 so I would click up 3 times.
It just seems easier to me, but if I am missing something with the MIL way then yall let me know, because Im really tryin to talk myself into a hesoldt. Ive learned alot over the past couple years mostly due to this site but im still very much a newbie, so help is appreciated </div></div>
No. Jon A gave you the correct info.
With a mildot reticle, a mil turret is the only match. Like Jon said, it takes away the necessity of having to know your range or your target size. Read your reticle, correct accordingly. It's so easy that you'll kick yourself for ever using MOA/MIL.
Now will a MOA/MOA scope offer you the same? Yes. But we're talking about a mildot reticle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I understand the importance of matching the reticle to the turrets. The scopes I have now are MOA/MOA.
JRose, with MIL wouldnt you still have to convert inches to clicks?
So if I shot 5" low at say 600yds, I would have to know that 1 mil at 600 is 21.6 in so clicks would be 2.16 so I would probably click up twice. Thats not too hard but I cant to 3.6 x 6 in my head, very quickly at least
With MOA, i would know that 1MOA at 600 is about 6". 1/4 of that is 1.5 so I would click up 3 times.
It just seems easier to me, but if I am missing something with the MIL way then yall let me know, because Im really tryin to talk myself into a hesoldt. Ive learned alot over the past couple years mostly due to this site but im still very much a newbie, so help is appreciated </div></div>
No. Jon A gave you the correct info.
With a mildot reticle, a mil turret is the only match. Like Jon said, it takes away the necessity of having to know your range or your target size. Read your reticle, correct accordingly. It's so easy that you'll kick yourself for ever using MOA/MIL.
Now will a MOA/MOA scope offer you the same? Yes. But we're talking about a mildot reticle.
Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well couldnt you do the same thing if your reticle and turrets matched in moa. i guess in my original post i should have asked if Hensoldt had a moa reticle and moa turrets. </div></div>
You could do it as long as the knobs match the reticle MOA/MOA or Mil/Mil dont matter.
Now we don't make anything with MOA at all, no reticles and no knobs
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well couldnt you do the same thing if your reticle and turrets matched in moa. i guess in my original post i should have asked if Hensoldt had a moa reticle and moa turrets. </div></div>
You could do it as long as the knobs match the reticle MOA/MOA or Mil/Mil dont matter.
Now we don't make anything with MOA at all, no reticles and no knobs
Re: hensoldt
It really does make sense,and like most things, is easier when you have one in your hands to work with. I was at the scope comparison last year in Houston, and the Hensolt won hands down. the tube just seems to disappear. If you can afford it, but the Hens in mil/mil and never look back.
It really does make sense,and like most things, is easier when you have one in your hands to work with. I was at the scope comparison last year in Houston, and the Hensolt won hands down. the tube just seems to disappear. If you can afford it, but the Hens in mil/mil and never look back.
Re: hensoldt
I fought moa mil for years Nathan converted me now I can not believe i wasted the time with MOA.
the example of 6" low never happens with mil you are .6 mil or what ever then you adjust. There is NO math with Mil/Mil so simple a caveman can do it.
+1 for the hensolt scope, i am very please and want for nothing in my 4X16 FF MIL/MIL perfect scope.
I fought moa mil for years Nathan converted me now I can not believe i wasted the time with MOA.
the example of 6" low never happens with mil you are .6 mil or what ever then you adjust. There is NO math with Mil/Mil so simple a caveman can do it.
+1 for the hensolt scope, i am very please and want for nothing in my 4X16 FF MIL/MIL perfect scope.
Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well couldnt you do the same thing if your reticle and turrets matched in moa. i guess in my original post i should have asked if Hensoldt had a moa reticle and moa turrets. </div></div>
You could do it as long as the knobs match the reticle MOA/MOA or Mil/Mil dont matter.
Now we don't make anything with MOA at all, no reticles and no knobs </div></div>
HDC dont make anything do they? they just import the scopes from Zeiss Hensoldt?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well couldnt you do the same thing if your reticle and turrets matched in moa. i guess in my original post i should have asked if Hensoldt had a moa reticle and moa turrets. </div></div>
You could do it as long as the knobs match the reticle MOA/MOA or Mil/Mil dont matter.
Now we don't make anything with MOA at all, no reticles and no knobs </div></div>
HDC dont make anything do they? they just import the scopes from Zeiss Hensoldt?
Re: hensoldt
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MillSpec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well couldnt you do the same thing if your reticle and turrets matched in moa. i guess in my original post i should have asked if Hensoldt had a moa reticle and moa turrets. </div></div>
You could do it as long as the knobs match the reticle MOA/MOA or Mil/Mil dont matter.
Now we don't make anything with MOA at all, no reticles and no knobs </div></div>
HDC dont make anything do they? they just import the scopes from Zeiss Hensoldt?
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correct
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MillSpec</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HDC-Deadly</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: clinto</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well couldnt you do the same thing if your reticle and turrets matched in moa. i guess in my original post i should have asked if Hensoldt had a moa reticle and moa turrets. </div></div>
You could do it as long as the knobs match the reticle MOA/MOA or Mil/Mil dont matter.
Now we don't make anything with MOA at all, no reticles and no knobs </div></div>
HDC dont make anything do they? they just import the scopes from Zeiss Hensoldt?
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correct
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