Rifle Scopes High End Tactical: East vs West

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diggler44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">nice write up but were are the s&b and hensoldt?</div></div>

I do not have the means or the time to do an exhaustive overview of all high end tactical scopes.

Premier Heritage is a good sample of a top end German scope, so I did not want to complicate things further by trying to secure S&B and Hensoldt as well.

ILya
 
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Nice write up and the pics are nice too. I really like the look of the March, hadn't seen many pictures of them before.

I do have to agree with diggler44 though, you did leave out the two that I would consider high end.
 
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Thank you <span style="font-weight: bold">ILYA</span>! I didnt know March offered a scope like that.
Glad you took the time to write this up and post it.
 
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I think SB, Zeiss and NF have become no-brainers when it comes to scope reviews. These are the underdogs/new kids on the block of the optics world. (Damn proud of the SSHD for making the cut)

So in that respect, very worthwhile review.

March 2.5-25 in FFP will be INSANE... shame about the warranty, most likely will kill their chances at competing.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diggler44</div><div class="ubbcode-body">nice write up but were are the s&b and hensoldt? </div></div>
or USO
 
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Ilya,

Nice job, man. I guess I need to see through a March out in the field becuase I really didn't like it "inside the convention center". It might be the relative lack of contrast and limited depth of field, but in my mind the March comes nowhere as close as Premier, S&B, Hensoldt or IOR in terms of optical enjoyment. But, I'm willing to revisit that if I'm that far off base. What about the tiny exit pupil at the higher mags, how was brightness? Was the image really that good at 25x?

Also, the zero stop on the March, does it allow you to slip the turret to zero on the knob and then lock it, or does it just lock the knob right where it sits after you sight in?

You need to check out the 3.5-18x50 IOR!

Scott
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LibertyOptics</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ilya,

Nice job, man. I guess I need to see through a March out in the field becuase I really didn't like it "inside the convention center". It might be the relative lack of contrast and limited depth of field, but in my mind the March comes nowhere as close as Premier, S&B, Hensoldt or IOR in terms of optical enjoyment. But, I'm willing to revisit that if I'm that far off base. What about the tiny exit pupil at the higher mags, how was brightness? Was the image really that good at 25x?

Also, the zero stop on the March, does it allow you to slip the turret to zero on the knob and then lock it, or does it just lock the knob right where it sits after you sight in?

You need to check out the 3.5-18x50 IOR!

Scott </div></div>

At 25x, the exit pupil is indeed tiny, but within that limitation, the image quality is superb. It obviously does not look as bright as larger exit pupil at lower magnifications on the March, but the amount of detail visible at 25x is still impressive.

Either way, there is no way to tell how your eyes will agree with this scope even in the field, unless you try it. Historically (and we have talked about it), you seem to clearly favor optics with a lot of contrast. It is just the way your eyes work. I think if you took a look through a March scope in the field, you would like it a lot more than inside the convention center, but you would still likely prefer the image through scopes with different contrast/resolution compromises.

As far as resetting the turret to zero goes, I did not try the exact thing you are talking about, but I am pretty sure you can slip it show "0" on the knob with the Zero Stop engaged.

On IOR 3.5-18x50: I would love to look at one, but I need to figure out what I can compare it to. I obviously have my 3-18x42 IOR and the 10x42HD Super Sniper, so the baseline is still the same, but it would be very interesting to look at some other high end scope with similar magnification range. Alternatively, I can simply look at it as a "3-18x42 vs 3.5-18x50: what do you get for that extra cash and weight of the scope". I need to think about that a little bit.

ILya
 
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Due to the interest in this review, I am considering doing a follow up test that would involve high end scopes.

I need to see which ones I can get my hands on, but in the meantime, what would you like to see in "Part 2"?

ILya
 
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Very interesting review, thanks for doing it, composing it with excellent pictues, and sharing it. I really enjoyed it.

I would love to see the USO 1.8-10x and the Nightforce 2.5-10x in Part 2... oh and heck, why don't you toss in the IOR 2.5-10x too! ______
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Thanks again ILYA!
 
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Great work as usual.

I sure would like to hear more about the IOR 3.5-18x50. That's about a high end as I could go for now.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ILYA</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Due to the interest in this review, I am considering doing a follow up test that would involve high end scopes.

I need to see which ones I can get my hands on, but in the meantime, what would you like to see in "Part 2"?

ILya </div></div>

Gentlemen,

It looks like I will be doing a follow-up article on High End Tactical Scopes. Most of them should be on their way to me this week and I am still trying to secure a couple more.

I will be structuring this review a little bit differently this time around since the configurations I am assembling make for a better apples-to-apples comparison.

I will post the details once I have all (or most) of the scopes in my hands.

ILya
 
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Sounds great. The previous review was top-notch. Just one question: If some of these manufacturers get their glass from the Far East, but are in the West, yet Romania is west of Japan and Germany is east of the U.S., then which "East" is meant vs. which "West"?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: azimutha</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds great. The previous review was top-notch. Just one question: If some of these manufacturers get their glass from the Far East, but are in the West, yet Romania is west of Japan and Germany is east of the U.S., then which "East" is meant vs. which "West"?</div></div>

I think we'll just go ahead and assume that anything within the Western World qualifies as West. Either way, I doubt I will have another March for review on such short notice (I did send an e-mail to Jim Kelbly, but it is a long shot). I will have Nightforce F1 in there though. That is probably the most established Japan-sourced tactical riflescope anyway.

ILya
 
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Great right up looking forward too the next one.One thing thow...on the epoxy leak on the March scope?...you can bet its a big deal to me droppin that much coin on glass and have quality control miss that?...Ill stick with Germany.Great right up tho ILYA thank you.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jackal1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great right up looking forward too the next one.One thing thow...on the epoxy leak on the March scope?...you can bet its a big deal to me droppin that much coin on glass and have quality control miss that?...Ill stick with Germany.Great right up tho ILYA thank you.</div></div>

I have seen little things like that occasionally on all sorts of products from all over the world, including Germany, Austria, Japan, etc. I probably would not base my choice of a scope on that, especially since it does not effect the three Fs (Form, Fit and Function) in any way I can think. However, YMMV. I am here to report what I find the best way I can. I hope it helps you make an optics choice in the end.

ILya
 
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I hear that they are having trouble getting the 10x spread to work in FFP model , maybe they should just go lower , like a 4 or 5-25x range , still hoping for CW knobs