Cheaters got what they deserved. I think the players involved should be punished as well, but with the players union that's virtually impossible. The game has yet again been tarnished.
Let's not bring religion to this thread. I have certain beliefs and you have yours and others have theirs.
Let's not bring religion to this thread. I have certain beliefs and you have yours and others have theirs.
Lighten up Francis
Stealing signs gas always been a part of the game. To say otherwise would be naive at best. This is only a big deal because it makes MLB look bad in the public eye.
I don’t watch MLB on TV nearly as often as in years past. I just don’t have the time w/ work, kids & everyday activities as well as coaching. I see no reason why tech is allowed in the dugout or on the sidelines, etc. play the game like it was meant to be played.
As for those mentioning asterisks, does Barry Bonds have an asterisk next to his name?
Pete Rose should most definitely be in the HOF.
This will eventually be forgotten just like Deflate-gate and Spygate (both of which are significantly bigger advantages than the Astros' sign stealing).
You’ve clearly never tried to hit big league stuff.This will eventually be forgotten just like Deflate-gate and Spygate (both of which are significantly bigger advantages than the Astros' sign stealing).
I honestly haven't researched it that much, but didn't the MLB report say there was only evidence of cheating in 2017 and the first part of 2018?Haha, no, deflate gate was really not a big deal at all, but spygate may be comparable. Though the Astros did their cheating for at least 3 seasons during games.
I haven't, but I'm not sure why that's relevant.You’ve clearly never tried to hit big league stuff.
No, I mean why is it relevant whether I've tried to hit a baseball thrown my a major league pitcher? There are a lot of things I haven't personally done that I can have an informed opinion about.It's relevant because if you know what pitch is coming it becomes significantly easier to hit or know when to take a pitch.
I agree that if you know the exact pitch 100% of the time, it can be an advantage over the course of a whole season. However, I think people misunderstand how difficult it is to steal signs, even with video equipment. You have about 2 seconds to recognize the sign, decode it, and relay the information to the batter.Especially at the big league level where fastballs are faster, curves have more movement, changeups are more difficult to hit and good ones are somewhat unpredictable, etc. Most starting pitchers have 3 go to pitches, fastball, changeup, or slider/curveball.
There's literally zero evidence of it, but I certainly can't prove they didn't. You're entitled to believe whatever you want. But you can't punish based on speculation.I also believe that select Astros players used buzzers in 2019. There was a clear core group of cheaters, and then the rest of the team who were probably kept out of the loop.
That's a bit of hyperbole to say careers were ruined. But I agree that Pete Rose never should have been banned. The players cheated. there's no way around that, but to advocate for them being banned for life is a severe overreaction.Players' careers were ruined as a result of the Astros electronic sign stealing scandal. Correa in my mind is a complete piece of shit, especially for saying they won the 2017 World Series "fair and square". The MLB giving immunity to players so they would talk is a black eye on the sport. Pete Rose didn't come close to this type of scandal and he got banned for life. I guess money talks as well as being the darlings of MLB so they walk. Every player and coach, manager etc. on that team should be forced to give back the championship money as punishment.
Strongly disagree there. Knowing what play is coming in football is probably one of the biggest advantages a team can have in any sport. Stack 9 in the box against a run play, it's going to go the defense's way 99/100 times. Hitting a 98 mph fastball is incredibly difficult, even if you know with certainty that it's coming. But anyone that's ever tried stealing signs knows you're doing good to get it right 75% of the time.Because knowing what pitch is coming is a way bigger advantage than anything that can be done on the football field.
And the excuses made for why he didn't want his shirt ripped off were total bullshit.
No, I mean why is it relevant whether I've tried to hit a baseball thrown my a major league pitcher? There are a lot of things I haven't personally done that I can have an informed opinion about.
I agree that if you know the exact pitch 100% of the time, it can be an advantage over the course of a whole season. However, I think people misunderstand how difficult it is to steal signs, even with video equipment. You have about 2 seconds to recognize the sign, decode it, and relay the information to the batter.
There's literally zero evidence of it, but I certainly can't prove they didn't. You're entitled to believe whatever you want. But you can't punish based on speculation.
That's a bit of hyperbole to say careers were ruined. But I agree that Pete Rose never should have been banned. The players cheated. there's no way around that, but to advocate for them being banned for life is a severe overreaction.
Strongly disagree there. Knowing what play is coming in football is probably one of the biggest advantages a team can have in any sport. Stack 9 in the box against a run play, it's going to go the defense's way 99/100 times. Hitting a 98 mph fastball is incredibly difficult, even if you know with certainty that it's coming. But anyone that's ever tried stealing signs knows you're doing good to get it right 75% of the time.