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How in FUCK ... ?!

^ Yep. "School District Police." WTF that there is such a thing in Uvalde. SROs looking for a vacation-station while retired in place, looking for that final gig before riding into the sunset. "What would you say you do here?"
Vacation station? You’ve never been to Uvalde, I take it…
 
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How in FUCK does an officer first on scene in a school shooting NOT go in to stop the carnage?! Why the fuck even be on the job if you don't have the capacity to be the tip of the spear? THESE ARE CHILDREN- if you have to, disobey direct orders and man the fuck up, or go be an insurance investigator.

It's time to end Affirmative Action hires, time to repeal democrat policies that intentionally cause decay of society, and time to take our republic back from the administrative sheep.

On average the best source for LEOs is former and current active duty U.S. military with MOS in close combat- I suggest they be our main recruiting focus.

Rant off.
Because he was afraid of a highly trained larper….no active duty guys want to be cops, but you’re right that would be the best source
 
I see that several of the folks here saying the cops should have charged into rifle fire are the same ones that bitch about the militarization of law enforcement.
Did they fuck up? Yes, royally.
Does their PD provide training and equipment?
Doesn't sound like it.
When I got to my agency there were exactly zero AR15's in the entire department. I had to work hard to get them to see the light. It also required a change at the top. Now, every officer is either issued a rifle, or they carry their own.
We also conduct active shooter training, but not as often as we should.
I ran into the "it has never happened here" quite a bit.
I saw the video and there were twenty plus cops with ARs slung in plate carriers . So there's that .
 
How in FUCK does an officer first on scene in a school shooting NOT go in to stop the carnage?! Why the fuck even be on the job if you don't have the capacity to be the tip of the spear? THESE ARE CHILDREN- if you have to, disobey direct orders and man the fuck up, or go be an insurance investigator.

It's time to end Affirmative Action hires, time to repeal democrat policies that intentionally cause decay of society, and time to take our republic back from the administrative sheep.

On average the best source for LEOs is former and current active duty U.S. military with MOS in close combat- I suggest they be our main recruiting focus.

Rant off.

I'm willing to bet most of those guys on scene were current/former military of some kind.
 
You obviously didn't read any of the remarks from the federal agencies when they mentioned that many of the local guys didn't even have rifles. You can also assume, they likely had no training.

They had an active shooter training session at that school just a couple months ago.

Somebody up top made a bad call and now they are looking to blame the locals IMHO. Giving them free rifles won't make the chief smarter or braver.
 
All the anti constitution people who want to take your 2a rights, who say just call 911, yeah how did that work out for the kids?


These are perfect examples of why folks who want to take peoples guns ain’t about “saving lives”

Police are about protecting and serving…themselves… they even have no legal duty to protect, not sure why folks still don’t get that.
 
BORTAC team with full kit and ballistic shield took bullets and injuries on that entry. What do you think Dewayne and his cowboy hat could have done?
Just so you know , the BORTAC team arrived at 12:15 pm with the equipment and shields .
Attempt to breech was made at 12:50 and shooter killed .
35 mins from the time BORTAC arrived to when they breeched .
So for 35 mins the proper person wearing the appropriate cowboy hat was there just sitting and waiting ?
 
Just so you know , the BORTAC team arrived at 12:15 pm with the equipment and shields .
Attempt to breech was made at 12:50 and shooter killed .
35 mins from the time BORTAC arrived to when they breeched .
So for 35 mins the proper person wearing the appropriate cowboy hat was there just sitting and waiting ?

He ain’t going to risk getting hurt or killed to save your kid, “c’mon man!”

Those sheepdog /hero memes in their face books and phone backgrounds etc, I mean that’s different
 
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They had an active shooter training session at that school just a couple months ago.

Somebody up top made a bad call and now they are looking to blame the locals IMHO. Giving them free rifles won't make the chief smarter or braver.
Agreed. They need to replace the chief
 
The lunatic reportedly spent 12 minutes outside the school, firing rounds and acting like a terrorist... So why the fuck wasn't he made DRT by LE or sheepdog gunfire?!
 
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The lunatic reportedly spent 12 minutes outside the school, firing rounds and acting like a terrorist... So why the fuck wasn't he made DRT by LE or sheepdog gunfire?!
The more we learn, the worse it gets.
I understand not wanting to get shot, but you know there are children in there dying.
New reports are that there were 19 officers in or around the hallway.
Apparently, they lacked the equipment to breach the door as well.
Doors in public buildings always open out, it is much harder to breach a door like that. the door frames are reinforced and that door was supposedly metal.
 
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Fight or flight. Most don't know what they are until the time comes. It's my opinion that if you have any doubts. Quit and draw a check at the local floppy mart. LE and Mil is not for you.
 
Not a LEO......no combat experience during my time in the suck.........I don't generally have an AR in my truck, but 99.9% of the time I am carrying a handgun........if there is someone shooting people at random, and I think I have a chance, I will take a shot or several.........and I am sure there are many men on this forum that would do the same thing..........these LEO's let kids get killed........., following orders, SOP, stopping parents from trying to save their kids......fuck that.......tase me, shoot me, do what you have to do........, but I will do what ever I could to end that fuck..........they were standing outside hearing the gunshots...............I couldn't live with myself if I had done that............

Not criticizing your POV, but I hold a different view.

I'm in a business, say a restaurant in Killeen, TX, and a lunatic walks in and starts blasting at customers. I would try to get my family out or find cover. If mine or I am directly threatened, I'm sending up to 25 rounds of 230s his way.

In today's "anyone with a gun" is a bad guy, I'm not going to risk becoming another statistic of the system to protect strangers. I'm retired, but my wife still depends on me to mow the lawn, pressure wash the drive, etc. Others in the restaurant (for the most part) had the same opportunity to self-defense as me.

Kids involved...all bets are off.
 
Some things sit on a man worse than dying, saving kids should have trumped the attitude and cowardice we seen here. I’m no hero but I dang sure wouldn’t have sat there and done nothing or harassed the parents willing to die for their kids lives. There’s no real excuse for what happened.

I am close friends with a number of good cops and woul like to think they would have done better. None of us know what we would do until the bell tolls and we’ve are there in the shit. Most cops are not expert marksmen or shooting enthusiasts. The are mostly not hero’s either. The old “to protect and serve” motto is BS. When seconds count the cops are minutes or hours away. Only about 3 men in 100 will stand up, man up and risk all to save a stranger. The socialists have pussified our police and cowed them from ever taking action without first calling a committee of social workers and shrinks to first see if a peaceful solution can be found.

I cannot think of much that can be done short of arming and qualifying the teachers. They were the ones being attacked and would have no choice but to fight back. The cops on the outside on the other had did have a choice and they chose or were ordered to stand fast and do nothing. I hope that memory haunts them.

Imagine the gunman stepping into Miss Roberts history class only to be met with Miss Roberts armed with a 12ga 870 and #4 buckshot and a high cap 9mm. He might kill 2 or 3, but would not go far before he bled out. Answer? NEVER vote for a Democrat, arm the teachers, lock the f-ing doors like they were supposed to be.
 
[...] When seconds count the cops are minutes or hours away. Only about 3 men in 100 will stand up, man up and risk all to save a stranger. The socialists have pussified our police and cowed them from ever taking action without first calling a committee of social workers and shrinks to first see if a peaceful solution can be found.

I cannot think of much that can be done short of arming and qualifying the teachers. They were the ones being attacked and would have no choice but to fight back. The cops on the outside on the other had did have a choice and they chose or were ordered to stand fast and do nothing. I hope that memory haunts them.

Imagine the gunman stepping into Miss Roberts history class only to be met with Miss Roberts armed with a 12ga 870 and #4 buckshot and a high cap 9mm. He might kill 2 or 3, but would not go far before he bled out. Answer? NEVER vote for a Democrat, arm the teachers, lock the f-ing doors like they were supposed to be.
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Not criticizing your POV, but I hold a different view.

SNIP....
In today's "anyone with a gun" is a bad guy, I'm not going to risk becoming another statistic of the system to protect strangers. I'm retired, but my wife still depends on me to mow the lawn, pressure wash the drive, etc. Others in the restaurant (for the most part) had the same opportunity to self-defense as me.

Kids involved...all bets are off.
What you described is a reasonable reaction to how things are. I’m sure you understand it’s an intentional attack on the public. When a government wants to empower criminals, it goes after the decent men in society so they are fearful to act. This empowers gov’t as the ignorant look to gov for the solution to a problem it intentionally created. This is how police states are born.
 
defund the police? good idea. what do they do besides writing speeding tickets? maybe they'll bust a black kid with a dime bag in his sock if they have their own buyer. they have NO statutory obligation to protect life,liberty or property. just required to make a "police report". take look at the cops around you. fat,stupid,lazy,jerkoffs for the most part. obnoxious bullies at best due to the badge/gun and can shoot/tase you whenever they want. i saw this years ago and thought that if i needed that sort to protect me i was screwed. yes they were heavily militarized under obama. he was looking for a private SA/SS for his own use. innercity murder rate? who cares? those areas need to be quarantined and left to rot. of course you now speak of real riots. increased cop murders? mostly innercity-keep them out there as above suggested. good cops? yes,there are many many. they have been fired,arrested,shot,tried and harassed for trying to do the job they think they were hired to do. worst job in society if done the way it should be. they also have the problem of political managers and courts that make their jobs impossible. my solution? disband the police and get set up a private organization with high recruitment and retention standards. give them a well defined set of goals and a high degree of personal autonomy and huge amount of personal accountability. pay them what the job is worth and NO unions. would you rather have an afghan combat vet or a ticket writing slug protecting you and your family? now have pissed many people off.
 
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