Hows this for Britains stupid Laws,
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No, that is Liberalism at its finest.
It comes to something when two young men break in to an old couples house and because he fights one off and wins "HE" gets arrested, If the asshole had not been in the old couples house then he would of lived,
I say good on the Old Boy for sticking it to em.
I say good on the Old Boy for sticking it to em.
A courageous effort . I truly hope he is not punished , there is the legal issue of intent though .
Without having all the intel available to local LE , it’s hard to comment with any authority ,
but first impression leaves a bad taste . I do not ever want to live in an environment where
I am punished for defending myself .....
EDIT : decided to read article to the end , on the bright side he is only arrested on suspicion
at this time , not charged with an offence yet . Please let logic and humanity prevail....
Without having all the intel available to local LE , it’s hard to comment with any authority ,
but first impression leaves a bad taste . I do not ever want to live in an environment where
I am punished for defending myself .....
EDIT : decided to read article to the end , on the bright side he is only arrested on suspicion
at this time , not charged with an offence yet . Please let logic and humanity prevail....
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Martin_(farmer)
While this article does not really say, it is my understanding that tony's house/farm was very isolated. something around 20+ minutes from the nearest town/police.
While this article does not really say, it is my understanding that tony's house/farm was very isolated. something around 20+ minutes from the nearest town/police.
In part our founding fathers rebelled against King George because they felt that they we being denied what should have been their full rights as Englishmen. It is sad that England has fallen so far. It is even sadder that places in America: the same thing could happen.
It just illustrates how far apart we are, and how insane unlimited-government leftists are. If our police and prosecutor did this here they would be fired/removed from office immediately. They might get charged themselves, and they would probably get sued by the person they re-victimized six ways to Sunday. Then again we have Castle Doctrine to prevent rogue prosecutors and rogue officers from victimizing law abiding citizens defending themselves. British subjects have no rights or protections whatsoever.
I wish that I thought you were correct, the first example that springs to mind that shows you are not is the Duke Rape Case The prosecutor knew those young men had not raped anyone but he was happy to ruin them and their families to get a few black votes in an upcoming election. If you follow the news at all it should not be to hard for you to think of another example of a prosecutor trying to destroy innocent men to fit his political goals.
@Clearlight
I respect your input on this matter but to be arrested on "suspicion" of a crime that simply involves self defense is complete and utter bullshit.
When did self defense become a crime?
I guess the old fella should have just cowered in his bedroom while armed criminals ransacked his home.
Thank God we have Castle Doctrine laws here that DO NOT PREVENT (permission is inalienable) us from protecting our home, our possessions and mostly our families.
I respect your input on this matter but to be arrested on "suspicion" of a crime that simply involves self defense is complete and utter bullshit.
When did self defense become a crime?
I guess the old fella should have just cowered in his bedroom while armed criminals ransacked his home.
Thank God we have Castle Doctrine laws here that DO NOT PREVENT (permission is inalienable) us from protecting our home, our possessions and mostly our families.
They still have the old Guy Locked up Tonight,
the government changed the Laws about this a few years ago which allowed persons the right to defend them selves but they seem to have denied this Guy these rights even though all he did was defend him self.
London is screwed. Just a matter of time before its Londonistan. They are just making it easy
Yeah I know what you mean, I just don't like the Guy, He seems to jump on any bandwagon just to get his 5 minutes of fame and he don't live far from me,
John, we're not far behind, the left, progressives and even some of the entrenched so called republicans are slowly and methodically chipping away our rights, under the guise of making us safer. But to be jailed for protecting yourself and your loved ones is IMO, where one has to make a stand. I truly believe that it's our God given natural right to protect ourselves and our loved ones, and no man has the right to deny us our natural rights. So, if any government, man, politician wants to jail me for protecting my or my loved ones life and property, they have to be prepared to take my life. Because that's the only way anyone would jail me for using my natural rights.
What you have going on over there is truly a special kind of stupid, ignorant and misguided thinking. Our so called leaders, want sheeple, not independent free thinking men to question their power or policies.
Mike
What you have going on over there is truly a special kind of stupid, ignorant and misguided thinking. Our so called leaders, want sheeple, not independent free thinking men to question their power or policies.
Mike
Yeah Mike I agree, The law over states that you can defend your self but if you manage to over power an intruder and then stab him that is Murder and that you can Hit them first but you are not allowed to intentionally kill them. but they say you can only use reasonable force, So really you can't do much at all,
There was another 2 people stabbed to death in east London last night, This Place has gone totally Nuts and the night before a Girl was shot in a drive by and a 16 year old was either stabbed or shot but he died yesterday, this place has suddenly gone mental.
EDIT:- The old Guy has now been Bailed until May, which is not how they normally do things so that's a good thing, He should never of been arrested in the first place.
There was another 2 people stabbed to death in east London last night, This Place has gone totally Nuts and the night before a Girl was shot in a drive by and a 16 year old was either stabbed or shot but he died yesterday, this place has suddenly gone mental.
EDIT:- The old Guy has now been Bailed until May, which is not how they normally do things so that's a good thing, He should never of been arrested in the first place.
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Well, all I can say, is that 78 year old man is my hero for the day. I hope sanity and common sense prevails and he is freed.
Just like Canada (my home country). The government doesn't allow their citizens to defend themselves when in harm. I find it absolutely bizarre what some of the "values" are up there, and how the basic right of being able to defend yourself and your family to live is non-existant.
Our laws allow for the consideration of age between the attacker and assailant to come into play.
It would seem that a 78 year old man against a much younger attacker all restraints are off in regards to the reactions of the 78 year old man to the actions of the younger man.
At his age any force used by the younger attacker could be considered as causing the older man to consider his life "in immediate threat".
It would seem that a 78 year old man against a much younger attacker all restraints are off in regards to the reactions of the 78 year old man to the actions of the younger man.
At his age any force used by the younger attacker could be considered as causing the older man to consider his life "in immediate threat".
It's the same thing if you're outnumbered. A disparity of force can take on a lot of different scenarios, and it's used to determine if a reasonable person might feel their life was in danger.
But, that's not what we're talking about. When someone breaks into your home when it's obvious there are people there it demonstrates clear intent. It demonstrates they've already decided to hurt or kill you if you get in the way of what they want. Let me say that again, "THEY HAVE ALREADY DECIDED TO MURDER YOU AND YOUR FAMILY".
We have castle laws because no one should have to explain themselves or get prosecuted when they stop an intruder and the perp happens to end up dead. As I said, the criminal has already decided to murder, so the law gives the home owner a clear weapons free. Could castle doctrine be abused? Yes, any law can be abused. It is unfortunately necessary because we have prosecutors who are criminals themselves, and are interested in advancing totalitarian agendas, including disarming our people, and they would prosecute no matter the facts, because they are evil, communist zealots. We have these laws because of some of the insane miscarriages of justice left wing prosecutors have tried to perpetrated.
But, that's not what we're talking about. When someone breaks into your home when it's obvious there are people there it demonstrates clear intent. It demonstrates they've already decided to hurt or kill you if you get in the way of what they want. Let me say that again, "THEY HAVE ALREADY DECIDED TO MURDER YOU AND YOUR FAMILY".
We have castle laws because no one should have to explain themselves or get prosecuted when they stop an intruder and the perp happens to end up dead. As I said, the criminal has already decided to murder, so the law gives the home owner a clear weapons free. Could castle doctrine be abused? Yes, any law can be abused. It is unfortunately necessary because we have prosecutors who are criminals themselves, and are interested in advancing totalitarian agendas, including disarming our people, and they would prosecute no matter the facts, because they are evil, communist zealots. We have these laws because of some of the insane miscarriages of justice left wing prosecutors have tried to perpetrated.
The funny thing is once it actually turns in to Londistan proper you might see a change in the way laws are applied, especially once the local Muslims take over the courts. Your average Muslim is probably more interested in physically defending what is his than the rest of the host country seems to be, and Muslim courts are fairly liberal with agreeing about "they needed a beating/killing" for evildooers.
Britain is going down fast...
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...-hospital-war-zone-two-slaughtered-overnight/
Not to worry though, the mayor's on the job
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/9...or-Labour-Party-news-Nigel-Farage-David-Lammy
Best line from the article, from the mayor;
In a statement, the Mayor added: “Let me be clear - there is no reason to carry a knife. To anyone who does - they will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law. 35 people have been charged for murder offences occurring during 2018 so far.
Take away the knives, Brits can rest easy now.
http://www.breitbart.com/london/201...-hospital-war-zone-two-slaughtered-overnight/
Not to worry though, the mayor's on the job
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/9...or-Labour-Party-news-Nigel-Farage-David-Lammy
Best line from the article, from the mayor;
In a statement, the Mayor added: “Let me be clear - there is no reason to carry a knife. To anyone who does - they will be caught, and they will feel the full force of the law. 35 people have been charged for murder offences occurring during 2018 so far.
Take away the knives, Brits can rest easy now.
6 more stabbings last night one of them was a 13 year old kid, and now more than 60 have died from either shootings or stabbings since January the 1st, 2018.
I am beginning to think it is safer in Afghanistan, shiits gone crazy here, and add the russians in to the mix and it just keeps getting worse.
I am beginning to think it is safer in Afghanistan, shiits gone crazy here, and add the russians in to the mix and it just keeps getting worse.
London in particular has been going downhill for some time. When the far left takes over you can expect an end to personal liberties for the "good of society".
What a crock.
If you break into another home with the intent of theft or doing bodily harm, you deserve whatever happens to you. Of course thats just my HO.
What a crock.
If you break into another home with the intent of theft or doing bodily harm, you deserve whatever happens to you. Of course thats just my HO.
London is a shithole.
Since the mid 80s I have watched its sewers get deeper, wider, and flow with a more thick stench. Middle class white flight has proceeded much like many of the more violent progressive cities in America. And by progressive I mean the American definition: progressing towards ignorance and barbarity.
I cannot stand to travel there any longer. On a trip to England in 2009 I visited family that had left London for Malmesbury, so bad was the violence and degradation of infrastructure. Londoners were fleeing London.
Several years prior to that I listened to a very white teenage girl from a very privileged London family try to justify the actions of a middle easterner who had committed some act of violence upon a female member of his family in the name of religion. He was subsequently arrested by London police. This girl was protesting his arrest as she felt his freedom of religious expression outweighed laws imposed upon him by an imperialist nation. A few of her friends were in agreement. This man was soon set free.
And so I stood on the ramparts of Warwick Castle in 2009 and gazed across the landscape as I have done more than once over the last 25 years. Having spent the last few days in London I was glad to leave it behind but I did feel a little sad. London had joined the ranks of large cities that championed decay, unemployment, surging violence, single parent households, and organised crime as a gift. A speaker at the London School of Economics said, with the giddiness of a child who just got a new bicycle, that this gift was delivered via the sweet grace of multiculturalism.
There is more than one church steeple visible from atop Warwick Castle. But on this visit I was taken aback to see all of them dwarfed by the much taller and larger white minarets just a few miles away. A gift, maybe. But to whom?
Since the mid 80s I have watched its sewers get deeper, wider, and flow with a more thick stench. Middle class white flight has proceeded much like many of the more violent progressive cities in America. And by progressive I mean the American definition: progressing towards ignorance and barbarity.
I cannot stand to travel there any longer. On a trip to England in 2009 I visited family that had left London for Malmesbury, so bad was the violence and degradation of infrastructure. Londoners were fleeing London.
Several years prior to that I listened to a very white teenage girl from a very privileged London family try to justify the actions of a middle easterner who had committed some act of violence upon a female member of his family in the name of religion. He was subsequently arrested by London police. This girl was protesting his arrest as she felt his freedom of religious expression outweighed laws imposed upon him by an imperialist nation. A few of her friends were in agreement. This man was soon set free.
And so I stood on the ramparts of Warwick Castle in 2009 and gazed across the landscape as I have done more than once over the last 25 years. Having spent the last few days in London I was glad to leave it behind but I did feel a little sad. London had joined the ranks of large cities that championed decay, unemployment, surging violence, single parent households, and organised crime as a gift. A speaker at the London School of Economics said, with the giddiness of a child who just got a new bicycle, that this gift was delivered via the sweet grace of multiculturalism.
There is more than one church steeple visible from atop Warwick Castle. But on this visit I was taken aback to see all of them dwarfed by the much taller and larger white minarets just a few miles away. A gift, maybe. But to whom?
I have seen the changes too, the first time I came here was in 81 now it is the worse place I have ever been to, after all these stabbings they are going to bring in more Laws, Some have asked for longer jail times and some have asked for them to bring back the death penalty, I think they should give them a minimum of 45 years without Parole regardless of their age, If they are old enough to do the crime then they are old enough to do the time, but not this social type BS prison time, give solitary, Let them know that Jail is not a social club and really give em the works.
Sarah Robinson was just a teenager when World War II broke out.
She endured the Blitz, watching for fires during Luftwaffe air raids armed with a bucket of sand.
Often she would walk ten miles home from work in the blackout, with bombs falling around her.
As soon as she turned 18, she joined the Royal Navy to do her bit for the war effort.
Hers was a small part in a huge, history-making enterprise, and her contribution epitomises her generation's sense of service and sacrifice.
Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.
But was it worth it? Her answer - and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s - is a resounding No.
Full article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html
She endured the Blitz, watching for fires during Luftwaffe air raids armed with a bucket of sand.
Often she would walk ten miles home from work in the blackout, with bombs falling around her.
As soon as she turned 18, she joined the Royal Navy to do her bit for the war effort.
Hers was a small part in a huge, history-making enterprise, and her contribution epitomises her generation's sense of service and sacrifice.
Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.
But was it worth it? Her answer - and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s - is a resounding No.
Full article:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html
He's a symptom, not a cause, and there's no way he gets elected with only 5% of the vote. England is committing cultural suicide, and the same people who are pushing multicultigobeldygook there are the same ones doing it here. They just have several more decades of "progress" under their belts.
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Britain has not yet learned to be multicultural.
Hell, I think more people have been stabbed today in London than last week.
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That is good news. Common sense prevails. Or else they just caved to the pressure.Good News,, They has released the old Guy without Charge,
Well I think pressure was part of it, But the point is they were in his home and the man was in Bed, it's not like he went out looking for them, The justice department have to wake up and smell the coffee.
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