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Suppressors I have a delima!!

PhOnEpHrEaK

PhOnEpHrEaK

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#1
Looking for MY first pistol. I've shot several but never owned my own, however I have narrowed it down to two choices, looking for the pros/cons of each.

My two choices are:

1: HK 45. I'm leaning very heavily towards this one

2: 1911 in .45 American classic you have to love it

Both would be great. But I can only choose one
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#3
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That's just it I've shot both! I love both! I just can't choose which one I love more. That's why I'm looking for the pros and cons of each now. Trying to decide which is "technically" better granted most of it will be opinions.
 
#6
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Many HK components, such as lights are proprietary. 1911's are all "open source" so to speak.

Which ever one you pick, remember that we cannot tell you how our shoes will fit your feet. Make the decision yours, own it and practice, practice, practice. The more you shoot it, the easier your next pistol purchase will be...

I would shoot a Glock as well, either a 21 or 30 SF or a 36.
 
#7
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I think...the weight between those is notable, so if you're going to carry the lighter one will be easier on the hip.

Honestly, you can't go wrong with either one. If you truly can't decide then just wait until a good price comes up on either model and grab it.
 
#9
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1911. All 1911 All the Time. You will want to begin with a basic model as they are the least expensive entry level pistols. As you find things that need attention, they are easy to deal with one at a time. This will not only make you a very personal pistol, but it will lend itself to you and that pistol becoming part of a solid system. Besides, nothing is actually cooler than this:

spg_32590.jpg



Later on if you need something smaller and lighter, there is of course one of these:

spr_pw9801l.jpg


9's and 40's are women's guns, and anything else just does not hold the American Character like a good 1911, besides, that OD Green finish is just freakin dripping coolness
 
#10
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what you're asking is which is better a euro sports car or a american muscle car both are cool in their own way. though parts and hoslters cost more I would rock the H&K how many times do you need to buy these things. the H&K gives you more rounds in the mag and I think that they are the height of engineering. 1911's can be great but you need to become a pistol smith the squeese everything out of them. H&K on the other hand is pretty badass out of the box."in a world of compromise some men don't" ...yes I'm a fan boy
 
#11
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Depending on what kind of a deal you are going to get, I would lean toward the HK 45.

It also makes a HUGE difference what kind of 1911 you are talking about. As much as I love my 1911's they are a pain in the ass to get them where you want them (once you figure out what you prefer). This is not always cost effective.
 
#14
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I have one HK..a USPc and 5 1911's I never shoot the HK but keep it because in a polymer gun its the closest thing to 1911 controls and maybe I will suppress it one day. The HK is utterly reliable and accurate....but it is blocky in my hands and is not the classy USA mainstay (of course that matters not to some) As long as its a quality 1911 that's where I'd go.
 
#15
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If you get the HK, I would recommend the HK Tactical... the ones that I have shot have better triggers and the threads on the end will allow you to supress later, if you want. The 1911's are the rock... there are some double stack's out there now so you can have a higher capacity mag. In the end, it all comes down to what are you the most comfortable with and which one "feels better" to you. Which one points more naturally for you? There are a lot more add on's for the 1911 and you can get crisp clean triggers and really trick them out, there are some less expensive parts for 1911's than HK... That's a hard choice that only you can answer. A 1911 was one of my first ones and I will always keep it, you can also change calibers with the 1911, you can get kits and change to a 40 or even a 9mm and have multiple weapons on one frame... then again, it all depends on what you are looking for. If you get a 1911, stick with a quality company... don't go for the cheap crap out there! Caspian, Springfield, Colt... some guys will say Kimber (yes, great quality just in my opinion I can spend the same money for another quality 1911 a little more tricked out and it not say Kimber).

Good luck!
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thewileyone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you get the HK, I would recommend the HK Tactical... the ones that I have shot have better triggers and the threads on the end will allow you to supress later, if you want. The 1911's are the rock... there are some double stack's out there now so you can have a higher capacity mag. In the end, it all comes down to what are you the most comfortable with and which one "feels better" to you. Which one points more naturally for you? There are a lot more add on's for the 1911 and you can get crisp clean triggers and really trick them out, there are some less expensive parts for 1911's than HK... That's a hard choice that only you can answer. A 1911 was one of my first ones and I will always keep it, you can also change calibers with the 1911, you can get kits and change to a 40 or even a 9mm and have multiple weapons on one frame... then again, it all depends on what you are looking for. If you get a 1911, stick with a quality company... don't go for the cheap crap out there! Caspian, Springfield, Colt... some guys will say Kimber (yes, great quality just in my opinion I can spend the same money for another quality 1911 a little more tricked out and it not say Kimber).

Good luck! </div></div>


i say negative...... if i could do it over i would get the full size hk 45 it has a 1913 rail so all lights should fit it.. you can buy the hk factory threaded barrels for 250... i have a usp tac and even though i love it i would sell it for a hk45 just about asap ya the match trigger is nice but it is not holding me back thats for sure.

1911's are cool and some one above was right parts arnt hard to find for hk they are just priced a bit high.. but its an hk you wont ever need any thing more then springs which you could buy at midway like mag springs,recoil springs and such.

I have had my usp tac for umm 8 years and even despite the fact i dont shoot a lot i have not needed any thing.

the guys will tell you i have obsessive/compulsive disorder when it comes to guns so i change things just to change them and thats where iam at with my usp buying new ejector springs recoil and firing pin springs too
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1911. All 1911 All the Time. You will want to begin with a basic model as they are the least expensive entry level pistols. As you find things that need attention, they are easy to deal with one at a time. This will not only make you a very personal pistol, but it will lend itself to you and that pistol becoming part of a solid system. Besides, nothing is actually cooler than this:

spg_32590.jpg



Later on if you need something smaller and lighter, there is of course one of these:

spr_pw9801l.jpg


9's and 40's are women's guns, and anything else just does not hold the American Character like a good 1911, besides, that OD Green finish is just freakin dripping coolness </div></div>


Ill match your cool green and raise it one lol


uspwithblast.jpg
 
#18
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I got my used, hardly, HK USP .45 for $500. I think a Springfield base model 1911 will run you about the same if you shop around. Mag capacity for the HK is 10/12+1 depending on which mag you get. 1911 mags will normally hold a little less. Both are accurate shooters. The 1911's might need some TLC from time to time and may be a bit pickier about ammo. HK's usually run right out of the box and shoot anything you cram in it. Many people prefer the feel of a 1911 in their hand vs the HK. I personally like the feel of a 1911 over the HK, but a simple $10 Hogue grip made a night and day difference in it. Aftermarket parts are cheaper and more readily available for the 1911, but you don't to put junk on it, so factor that in. HK's are fairly limited, they have various sights, trigger packages and lights. However, buying a GG&G, or similar, rail mount will open your choices of lights up to accept anything anybody else can use. I'm sure there is plenty I am forgetting, but you get the idea. I was in this same situation several months ago, going between a 1911 and HK. I ultimately chose the HK and have not regretted it, although a 1911 will be added to the collection in the near future. If you like them both, and would like to own them both, just look for a really smokin deal. Later on you can pick up the other one.

Kelly
 
#20
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True, I don't know why I thought USP when I was typing up my reply. The HK45's are suppose to be insanely accurate, they feel a little better in the hand than the USP's and have the standard rail built in. They are a tad higher than the base model Springfield 1911 as well. Good luck with your "tough" decision
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Kelly
 
#21
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If I were to select an H&K, it would be the 45 Compact (not USP) with a threaded barrel and appropriate fixed sights.

1911, I'd stick to Kimber or Springfield Armory unless you can find a good deal on a Colt (just for the fun of it).

the 1911 will be heavier on the hip but the gun will be slimmer as will the spare mags which contributes to conceal-ability. Take your pick.
 
#24
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Get a Colt 1911 Delta Elite, they are 10mm. A 10mm can be loaded up to almost 357 magnum muzzle energies thats a lot of power! And its still the same exact size as a regular 45 1911. Look into it, they are pretty cool.

CJG
 
#25
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There is anything other than the 1911 out there? OK, maybe that's a stretch, but I own several, and I will own more. I look at any other as a novelty.

There is different to the 1911, there may be better for a specific application, but an for all around pistol nobody has made any significant improvements. Just more proof of the genius of John Moses Browning.
 
#27
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you should probably finish high school before buying a pistol. That means stop playing on the hide and doing your homework. </div></div>

Hate to burst your bubble and all, but I graduated awhile ago I'm 20, about to be 21 so please feel free to try again.
Notice I've been a member for a few years but have a low post count? (Because I actually do my research before asking a pointless question)

Now when looking for peoples opinions on a specific comparison isn't it a bit better to compare them side by side in the same post, instead of jumping through 1500 different threads trying to find an opinion in the countless number of pointless posts much like yours.

Now so you feel satisfied that I've done enough research I will tell you what I've done so far. After shooting both I find that the weight different isn't really an issue. 1911s are nice and have more aftermarket parts, and can be had for about the same price(once you do the upgrades to fix certain things I don't like.) Mag capacity isn't really much of an issue as there was a 1911 I shot today that had 10 round mags - exactly the same as HK .45 mags. I'm not sure which one I personally shoot better with, but both are comfortable and I'm confident with either. A quality 1911 can be a tack driver but the HK is also a tack driver (atleast the ones I've shot.) If I were to buy a 1911 it would be a Springfield which to start I would only need to; throat the barrel, replace all Mim parts, and possibly change the grips.

I don't like the feel of the USPs at all not sure why but it just seems different. Glocks are ok but low on my list I'm accurate with them they just seem to fit my hand oddly.

So is there any "technical" reason why I should go with one over the other?
 
#28
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I'd just get a 1911 to start off with. I've had both and sold the HK. Even if you buy the HK, ultimately you'll end up with a 1911, so, just give yourself a head start. The HK is a nice sidearm, but the 1911 is timeless.
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PhOnEpHrEaK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you should probably finish high school before buying a pistol. That means stop playing on the hide and doing your homework. </div></div>

Hate to burst your bubble and all, but I graduated awhile ago I'm 20, about to be 21 so please feel free to try again.
Notice I've been a member for a few years but have a low post count? (Because I actually do my research before asking a pointless question)

Now when looking for peoples opinions on a specific comparison isn't it a bit better to compare them side by side in the same post, instead of jumping through 1500 different threads trying to find an opinion in the countless number of pointless posts much like yours.

Now so you feel satisfied that I've done enough research I will tell you what I've done so far. After shooting both I find that the weight different isn't really an issue. 1911s are nice and have more aftermarket parts, and can be had for about the same price(once you do the upgrades to fix certain things I don't like.) Mag capacity isn't really much of an issue as there was a 1911 I shot today that had 10 round mags - exactly the same as HK .45 mags. I'm not sure which one I personally shoot better with, but both are comfortable and I'm confident with either. A quality 1911 can be a tack driver but the HK is also a tack driver (atleast the ones I've shot.) If I were to buy a 1911 it would be a Springfield which to start I would only need to; throat the barrel, replace all Mim parts, and possibly change the grips.

I don't like the feel of the USPs at all not sure why but it just seems different. Glocks are ok but low on my list I'm accurate with them they just seem to fit my hand oddly.

So is there any "technical" reason why I should go with one over the other?</div></div>

Only technical reason I could see is HK's run right out o'the box, standard 1911's sometimes don't. The grip angle of the HK45 is modeled after the 1911, so that shouldn't be a problem. HK has a weak side safety/decocker (depending on variant) but can be changed to ambidextrous safety. You can build a 1911 to be a work of art and a precision instrument, depending on your wallet, but you can only do so much to an HK. Like I said before, look around for a smokin deal on a Springfield 1911 or an HK45 and get the other one when you've saved up more cash. You can't go wrong having both. Its like having a pair of high dollar top of the line sneakers, and a killer pair of good boots. You end up paying about the same for them, and besides wearing them on your feet, they serve 2 different purposes.

Kelly
 
#34
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I'll take a different stance with my two cents. Because of your age and being your first, whichever weapon you go with, it's functions will be etched on your brain to hand coordination for life. It is important for your fingers to be able to operate the weapon under stress without conscience thought. Many, under stress, have tried to pull a trigger with the weapon on safe. So, I would recommend you purchase the weapon that fits and feels most comfortable in your hand, that your shooting hand fingers can reach and operate the safety without having to shift the weapon in your hand. Next, purchase the very best, or wait. Relative to your time of ownership, what you will ask it to do and what may one day be at stake, a few thousand is no money.
 
#37
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OR!

get yourself a glock 23 - then buy a 9mm conversion barrel, a 357sig barrel, and a 22lr conversion slide/barrel from uhh what the hell is their name. One gun does it all dude with 4 calibers
 
#38
Re: I have a delima!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1911. All 1911 All the Time. You will want to begin with a basic model as they are the least expensive entry level pistols. As you find things that need attention, they are easy to deal with one at a time. This will not only make you a very personal pistol, but it will lend itself to you and that pistol becoming part of a solid system. Besides, nothing is actually cooler than this:

spg_32590.jpg



Later on if you need something smaller and lighter, there is of course one of these:

spr_pw9801l.jpg


9's and 40's are women's guns, and anything else just does not hold the American Character like a good 1911, besides, that OD Green finish is just freakin dripping coolness </div></div>


Ill match your cool green and raise it one lol


uspwithblast.jpg
</div></div>

You should take all that Starship trooper BS off the front of that pistol. Thats absurd.
 
#39
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1911. All 1911 All the Time. You will want to begin with a basic model as they are the least expensive entry level pistols. As you find things that need attention, they are easy to deal with one at a time. This will not only make you a very personal pistol, but it will lend itself to you and that pistol becoming part of a solid system. Besides, nothing is actually cooler than this:

spg_32590.jpg



Later on if you need something smaller and lighter, there is of course one of these:

spr_pw9801l.jpg


9's and 40's are women's guns, and anything else just does not hold the American Character like a good 1911, besides, that OD Green finish is just freakin dripping coolness </div></div>


Ill match your cool green and raise it one lol


uspwithblast.jpg
</div></div>

You should take all that Starship trooper BS off the front of that pistol. Thats absurd. </div></div>

i did sell the blast unit kinda wish i didnt but light rail adapters for usp's its stupid because you cannot holster the gun unless you use a nylon holster and wedge the gun in it to spread it open some
 
#42
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PhOnEpHrEaK</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Downzero</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think you should probably finish high school before buying a pistol. That means stop playing on the hide and doing your homework. </div></div>
<span style="color: #FF0000">(Because I actually do my research before asking a pointless question)</span> </div></div>

Now thats just funny as hell
crazy.gif
 
#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PhOnEpHrEaK</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were to buy a 1911 it would be a Springfield which to start I would only need to; throat the barrel, replace all Mim parts, and possibly change the grips.</div></div>

I bought a Colt, put it in a holster and have shot and carried it for over a decade. It is rare for me to go anywhere without this handgun:

commander_1075.jpg


It does sport a set of Pachmayr grips now. It started life from Colt with Hogue grips. I replaced the with Colt medallion grips when I started carrying it on a regular basis because the Hogue grips were just too big and sticky. After shooting it for awhile I changed them our for the Pachmayr grips because I realized the extra grip they offered was much preferable to the "bling" of the medallion and wood. Most of the checkered G10 or other hard grips will just tear the hell out of your side and clothing when you carry them more than just to the range and back.

This pistol has been 100% reliable and only went back to Colt early in it's life because the front sight worked loose. They fixed it and it's functioned boringly since.

Nothing against HK's. If you have me one to fight with, I am sure I could accomplish the task. If you have me a choice between an HK and Glock, I would choose the Glock.
 
#44
Re: I have a delima!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1911. All 1911 All the Time. You will want to begin with a basic model as they are the least expensive entry level pistols. As you find things that need attention, they are easy to deal with one at a time. This will not only make you a very personal pistol, but it will lend itself to you and that pistol becoming part of a solid system. Besides, nothing is actually cooler than this:

spg_32590.jpg



Later on if you need something smaller and lighter, there is of course one of these:

spr_pw9801l.jpg


9's and 40's are women's guns, and anything else just does not hold the American Character like a good 1911, besides, that OD Green finish is just freakin dripping coolness </div></div>


Ill match your cool green and raise it one lol


uspwithblast.jpg
</div></div>

pffffft, toys on pistols are for wannabes and operators and we all know serious operators only place doo dads on their pistols as the mission requires. You lost the hand bucko by having way too many toys on a *snicker* DA doublestack BWAAA HA HA HA HA. My single stack 8's and 10's will shred that junk!
 
#45
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I would suggest the HK45 and then get the HK factory extended threaded barrel. It is a very accurate well built gun that will serve you well. The different sized backstraps are a big help in getting the grip to fit your hand nicely & the grip is very well designed.

Another gun to think about if you want more capacity would be the new FN Tactical 45 which holds 15 rounds instead of 10 and would let you use a red dot sight as well as the built in sights.

I have found that shooting a large .45 caliber handgun is actually the easiest for a lot of new shooters to do, the recoil pulse when using standard velocity ammo is smoother than a .40 or a 9mm

One day you will have to get a 1911, it doesn't need to be your first handgun, but there is something very unique and distinctive about them and I would be that when you lay your hands on a nice one, you will want it.
 
#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1911. All 1911 All the Time. You will want to begin with a basic model as they are the least expensive entry level pistols. As you find things that need attention, they are easy to deal with one at a time. This will not only make you a very personal pistol, but it will lend itself to you and that pistol becoming part of a solid system. Besides, nothing is actually cooler than this:

spg_32590.jpg



Later on if you need something smaller and lighter, there is of course one of these:

spr_pw9801l.jpg


9's and 40's are women's guns, and anything else just does not hold the American Character like a good 1911, besides, that OD Green finish is just freakin dripping coolness </div></div>


Ill match your cool green and raise it one lol


uspwithblast.jpg
</div></div>

pffffft, toys on pistols are for wannabes and operators and we all know serious operators only place doo dads on their pistols as the mission requires. You lost the hand bucko by having way too many toys on a *snicker* DA doublestack BWAAA HA HA HA HA. My single stack 8's and 10's will shred that junk! </div></div>


and then your dream ended... this isnt a pissing contest.. i was just joking around about green guns... so ya
 
#48
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frog5215</div><div class="ubbcode-body">blackump, exactly which Gucci handbag do you carry that thing in? </div></div>

the expensive one
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