I Spy New Baby Razor G3 4-24
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Not yet. Unknown if it will be considered a G4 or an extension of the G3 line. Looks like a Gen 3 though. I will see what I can find out.
i'll wait for a closeout/discount on a new genII 4.5-27 for my 22lr open gun.Won't know till we get more details, or someone spills them, from the above it sounds like it's lighter so that's a win for guys not wanting a 4lb optic. Could just be filling out the lineup, they have been trying to give away Razor Gen II 3-18's for almost a year now, and recently the 4.5-27's appear to be getting closed out some stores. So this might be filling a void for the Gen II's going away (total speculation). Looks to have the same turret/style as the 6-36 so it's not going to be cheap
I've often been confused of the popularity of say the 3-18 optics that are 95% of the price and size/weight of their 5-25, 4.7-27 counterparts etc. Now if it's 20% lighter, and cheaper sure I can see it fitting a use case. But I also don't get why guys put a huge mag optic on their bolt guns but then put a 3-18 on their 18lb precision AR's. The Razor Gen II 3-18 was a perfect example, they have been giving them away for $1100 or less now for months. It's not a bad scope but why buy a 3-18x when the 4.5-27x is the same size/weight/cost. You gotta really love 3-4.5x to give up 10x on the top end in the same package.
Now if the Gen II 4.5-27 does go away, and this 4-24 really is 30% lighter and smaller package than the 6-36, that makes a lot more sense to distance it from the 6-36 more than the 3-18 ever did from the 4.5-27
Yeah, if only the Gen II 4.5-27 followed the price drop the 3-18s did, for over a year could get those under $1100 delivered, I bought 3 under $1000 delivered from the Hide's favorite hated vendor.....Optic Planet 
These days the 4.5-27 seems almost foolish in their lineup, street price the 3-36x is basically the same. Looking at one pricing comparison site this morning the cheapest 4.5-27 was only $400 cheaper than the 3-36 ($2200 vs $2600). I can't believe 4.5-27's are flying off shelves at that pricing. Used values for them have plummeted.
We might never see huge deals on the 4.5-27 like the 3-18, but here's hoping I'm wrong! It's been listed on Vortex's "inactive" list as well with the 3-18x and 1-6 Gen 2's for some time, yet clearly stores are keeping flowing stock of both of those. Even the 5-20x still available in stores are not really priced well, street prices on those are still $1700 or so, I can't imagine paying that for a HD 5-20 in 2025, heck I wouldn't have paid that for it in 2020 when they "discontinued" it.......yet it's still in stores new
Vortex's used of "discontinued" clearly deserves this meme
These days the 4.5-27 seems almost foolish in their lineup, street price the 3-36x is basically the same. Looking at one pricing comparison site this morning the cheapest 4.5-27 was only $400 cheaper than the 3-36 ($2200 vs $2600). I can't believe 4.5-27's are flying off shelves at that pricing. Used values for them have plummeted.
We might never see huge deals on the 4.5-27 like the 3-18, but here's hoping I'm wrong! It's been listed on Vortex's "inactive" list as well with the 3-18x and 1-6 Gen 2's for some time, yet clearly stores are keeping flowing stock of both of those. Even the 5-20x still available in stores are not really priced well, street prices on those are still $1700 or so, I can't imagine paying that for a HD 5-20 in 2025, heck I wouldn't have paid that for it in 2020 when they "discontinued" it.......yet it's still in stores new
Vortex's used of "discontinued" clearly deserves this meme
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That scope has a min parallax of 32yds, just so you know. Not sure if that’s close enough for NRL22 as I don’t compete.
I own a couple of them, and they definitely don’t focus close.
They work fine for .22 matches. Used one for a few years on my original Vudoo. You would be powered down for a super close target and the 32 yard parallax doesn’t negatively affect it. Took shots down to 15 yards without a problem and today’s matches seem to be stretching out more than coming in closer to challenge the shooters.
I wonder if Scott at Liberty optics is gonna have a deal on these!!!
That’s good to know! I’m thinking of trying one of those .22 matches.
The Gen II 4.5-27x56 is not discontinued, it is still in Vortex's active lineup. They have a few of the older reticles that may show up in the discontinued section but that is all.Yeah, if only the Gen II 4.5-27 followed the price drop the 3-18s did, for over a year could get those under $1100 delivered, I bought 3 under $1000 delivered from the Hide's favorite hated vendor.....Optic Planet
These days the 4.5-27 seems almost foolish in their lineup, street price the 3-36x is basically the same. Looking at one pricing comparison site this morning the cheapest 4.5-27 was only $400 cheaper than the 3-36 ($2200 vs $2600). I can't believe 4.5-27's are flying off shelves at that pricing. Used values for them have plummeted.
We might never see huge deals on the 4.5-27 like the 3-18, but here's hoping I'm wrong! It's been listed on Vortex's "inactive" list as well with the 3-18x and 1-6 Gen 2's for some time, yet clearly stores are keeping flowing stock of both of those. Even the 5-20x still available in stores are not really priced well, street prices on those are still $1700 or so, I can't imagine paying that for a HD 5-20 in 2025, heck I wouldn't have paid that for it in 2020 when they "discontinued" it.......yet it's still in stores new
Vortex's used of "discontinued" clearly deserves this meme
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Thanks, IMO, that infers no other scopes in the near term. If it was a G4, then I would expect others to fill in the line.
Not sure it infers anything more than it being a Gen 3 but with that line as good as it is u wouldn’t see them needing or wanting to start a Gen 4 at this point but we will see.
Last I heard was end of October or early November. Keep us scope nerds drooling a little longer lol
Dang. More waiting.. Going to have to rely on the old fixed power 10X SS.
Vortex can do whatever they want, and who knows what 100 things can drive such decisions, but considering how long the gen II's were out before Gen 3's I can't imagine we'll see Gen 4 scopes for at least a couple years. The 4.5-27 was released in 2014, and it took 8 years to get a Gen 3, considering how successful the 6-36 is I can't imagine they are in a hurry to sink a ton of $ into a full redesign of it anytime soon. Same for the PST II's, 8 years old or so and still in the lineup and they haven't really updated it and still compares very well to the dozens of newer "latest greatest" optics in the price point that have come out since, that are all the rage for 2 years and then you never hear about once the hype falls off. The Strike Eagle was seriously disappointing, and the HD series is more of a hunting optic.
Especially with them bringing out a new Gen 3 design in what is probably going to be 2026.
Especially with them bringing out a new Gen 3 design in what is probably going to be 2026.
I'd also love to see a 2-12 or 2.5-15 in the gen3 line if they can keep the weight down. That would really round out the lineup well.
I just want a Gen 3 Razor without a Christmas tree reticle
Last two days I’ve got to shoot my buddies Kahles 5-40 with the SKMR+ reticle. For me it’s the perfect reticle, I’d love having a Gen 3 Razor with that reticle. If they came out today with one I’d be selling my two Razors I use for my match guns now. Guess I’ll have to suffer, cause I sure as hell can’t afford to Kahles 5-40’s
Vortex prob makes 10x more profits off their sub $1000 products VS their high tier stuff. They'll likely never lose that market share with the no questions forever warranty.
I understand that and own a handful of them.
Just want them to offer a different reticle option than the
and take advantage of all the other expertise and price point they offer.It won't take much to copy standard designs they already have in their tool box .
Seriously the whole point is they need to make me happy
.Not like I want something fancy or odd.
Im fine with brands sticking a single reticle in their cheaper tiers and calling it good. It keeps costs down, or allows the costs to go into overall quality/reliability.
BUT I would really like to see Vortex join others in providing a little variety in the prosumer tiers. I can shoot fine with a christmas tree reticle, just like I can shoot fine with a MOA optic. I still prefer a mil non-tree reticle though and would rather buy what I like when dropping $2k+ on an optic. My brand loyalty isn't that strong with how many reliably competitors are out there now compared to 15 years ago.
BUT I would really like to see Vortex join others in providing a little variety in the prosumer tiers. I can shoot fine with a christmas tree reticle, just like I can shoot fine with a MOA optic. I still prefer a mil non-tree reticle though and would rather buy what I like when dropping $2k+ on an optic. My brand loyalty isn't that strong with how many reliably competitors are out there now compared to 15 years ago.
Nothing to wrong with vortex’s Christmas tree reticle, but I prefer something closer to the NF MILC, JTAC reticle, MPCT1 especially on a scope I use on a hunting rifle.
The problem is the vocal minority yell for a non tree reticle and they don’t sell enough to make it worthwhile. That is why the 1C was dropped from the Gen II line. They offered a non tree and they didn’t sell nearly well enough to keep them in the line.
Matches have changed since then and the 1C was nothing like what they have now. Between 22 matches and centerfire matches I don’t think I’ve needed a tree in the last 4 years. I mean really Rob comparing what’s out there to a 1C that was .5 mil hash. Get real
lol yeah it had .5 but it’s nothing so huge going to .2s. Still same basic reticle with no tree. What is so special about “what’s out now” and the 1C besides the .2 marks? Nothing.
Matches have changed and a vast majority of shooters still use trees as there is no down side to them. I used non trees for over a decade in matches until they started to become popular around 2014. Started using them and I wouldn’t go back. I see no downside. I see my misses fine and the reticle doesn’t cover targets and the versatility to use it for holds, especially in .22 matches, is an advantage for me. I like using holds. Tree reticles help with that.
If you want a .2 non trees then call Vortex and let them know. We will see if they want to go through the work of putting one out if they get enough calls.
The down side to trees is not spooting your shot and less likely to catch trace. Especially shooting on higher magnification .More and more shooters are moving towards non trees everyday. I can name a ton of guys who in the last year have switched over, with no plans on coming back.
The market has spoken, SKMR+, PR3, MCPT 1X, JTAC , MIL-C, S7B just came out with the M1FL, March is rocking Brandons WBR, ect. Virtually everyone in the game has an option, except vortex living in past.
You virtually never use a tree in a match. And when you do the holds are never where you need them to be anyway. Still holding in space. Might as well do the same without the clutter.
The other thing is 10mil turrets are SO Much easier and faster. Those 2 features are damn near a requirement for any scope I buy going forward.
The market has spoken, SKMR+, PR3, MCPT 1X, JTAC , MIL-C, S7B just came out with the M1FL, March is rocking Brandons WBR, ect. Virtually everyone in the game has an option, except vortex living in past.
You virtually never use a tree in a match. And when you do the holds are never where you need them to be anyway. Still holding in space. Might as well do the same without the clutter.
The other thing is 10mil turrets are SO Much easier and faster. Those 2 features are damn near a requirement for any scope I buy going forward.
Then you guys get on the phone and tell Vortex! If they get enough calls maybe they will put one out. Tell them they are living in the past.
I have no problem spotting my shots or seeing trace with the 7D. Sure you might see it better if nothing was there but then when you had to hold elevation and wind you will be holding in empty space. No reference points at all. Space between a mil of tree is still easy to hold accurately. It is no where like holding in open space.
I have no problem spotting my shots or seeing trace with the 7D. Sure you might see it better if nothing was there but then when you had to hold elevation and wind you will be holding in empty space. No reference points at all. Space between a mil of tree is still easy to hold accurately. It is no where like holding in open space.
We almost never hold elevation at matches unless it's the PRS barricade. For the type of shooting most people do they always have time to dial. It's very rare where you don't dial as the targets have gotten so small you want that extra precision aiming point. Trees were another carryover from the military where they have legit purpose but like most things tactical Timmy civilian thinks mil ttp and equipment is cutting edge when it's actually the opposite for small arms.
I’m curious if the present trend to barricade bench rest match styles will continue to grow with more and more shooters signing up. If things get wobbly again and time gets tight, or some other busy work is added to popular COFs, the tree reticle may see a resurgence.
Another one here hoping it's 32oz or less. At least in that range. Would love one for each 6ARC.
Not sure who “we” are
but I still hold a lot as I always have even before trees and know a lot of people who do as well. It’s a good skill set to have and you can hit small targets holding also. It’s in use that the skill set is honed and perfected. Dialing is fine if you don’t have a bunch of targets and positions but when it’s 90 seconds with 5 positions shooting targets at different distances that dialing is tough. Probably why they have been upping the times to 105 seconds and other above 90. I don’t think it’s “tactical” at all and I think the military took it from the civilians using it as there weren’t really any tree reticles on M24s or M40s.
It’s a personal choice on how you want to shoot a stage. I wouldn’t tell anyone they have to dial or they have to hold. They can figure out what works for them. Again if there are that many people wanting a standard reticle then they need to contact Vortex and tell them to make one. If they don’t know there is this huge market drive then why would they make one?
No need to hope. It’s under 32 ounces. My ARC is waiting too. lol
Careful now or Rob will be along to tell us that no one needs a scope under 46oz and that Vortex tried a lighter weight scope in the Razor AMG and they dropped it for being too light.
Who would have ever thought that the snipers hide was full of tree huggers?
At the least get rid of the open center and dot.
I can ignore a tree if there is a decent + cross hair in the center.
The small center dot gets lost in the glare and clutter too much. Takes too long to get on target.
I see a vortex hornets nest has been stirred up.
There is no conceivable Monterey difference in producing moa or mils, and shouldn't be to go treeless either. Less the advertising / bandwidth .
Every body is not playing a 90 second game.
I can ignore a tree if there is a decent + cross hair in the center.
The small center dot gets lost in the glare and clutter too much. Takes too long to get on target.
I see a vortex hornets nest has been stirred up.
There is no conceivable Monterey difference in producing moa or mils, and shouldn't be to go treeless either. Less the advertising / bandwidth .
Every body is not playing a 90 second game.
Yup same on the dot. Having that small dot to drop right on a target is nice.
Right?! Some guys fuck other guys too. It’s wild!
You can tell that DBD has not shot Geissele gas gun matches that are scored time plus. Nobody dials! You don’t have time! Why does everyone think that the way they like something should be the holy grail for everyone else. Sheesh.
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