If gun control legislation doesn't work, why is gun crime so low in other developed nations with these laws?
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He has a lot of decent observations in the beginning but he lost me at the end where he hypothesized that gun laws could be as much as 10% of the reason that some countries have lower murder rates. I disagree and think that in the case of the civilized countries murder rates would be no higher and might be even lower if they owned more guns.
Western European and Nordic countries are by and large 90%+ white. Look at the areas of the US that are 90%+ white and then look at the areas of America that have tons of minorities and tell me there isn't a difference in domestic violence. Heck there are probably *parts* of the US that have lower violence rates than some European countries. Europeans and Japanese have proven themselves to be non-violent, whereas there are other cultures like Africa, Native Americans (now Mexican, Central and South American, etc) have proven to be anything but, and tend to bring those problems to whatever countries they immigrate too. This isn't racism, this is just a fact. I understand you can't make a blanket statement, but generally speaking it's the truth. Just look at incarceration rates...
Also, a fun website to visit that breaks down who is doing what: www.heyjackass.com Chicago is pretty darn "culturally diverse", yet the vast majority of murders are committed by minorities. Take those out of the stats and Chicago is actually pretty safe.
Also, a fun website to visit that breaks down who is doing what: www.heyjackass.com Chicago is pretty darn "culturally diverse", yet the vast majority of murders are committed by minorities. Take those out of the stats and Chicago is actually pretty safe.
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Long read but he makes a lot of great arguments including a few I had honestly not given thought to.
Too much CS&L (Common Sense and Logic) though, don't expect it to change any leftists minds because NRA, or something
Too much CS&L (Common Sense and Logic) though, don't expect it to change any leftists minds because NRA, or something
I will read the the article and comment more if needed.
But I learned a lot about humanity and different society's watching people's reaction to Katrina vs Japanese tsunami 2011.
But I learned a lot about humanity and different society's watching people's reaction to Katrina vs Japanese tsunami 2011.
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Violent crime as a whole, is different than committing a crime with a gun and that's the stat you have to look at, Violent crimes being committed...rape, murder, muggings, ect... in general.
Removing the "gun" does not simply remove violent crime.
We have been fighting the "war on drugs" for decades, but I bet if you go ask any high school student for some pot or any other drugs, they could get you some in an hour.
Removing the "gun" does not simply remove violent crime.
We have been fighting the "war on drugs" for decades, but I bet if you go ask any high school student for some pot or any other drugs, they could get you some in an hour.
If you think it would take an hour your way underestimating. 15 min or less is more like it.
Good comment...I agree with your statement. The one country he did not discuss is Australia which is often brought up as an example of gun control eliminating mass shootings. I have seen data that stated that mass shootings are zero but violent crime is way up including armed robbery and rape.
For me, this article provided some ammunition to use that I had not considered previously. All of the other comments here are still in play. I think his conclusion of how we pay for everyone else's good life is also spot on.
I read an article similar to the one above where he displayed stats "proving gun control worked" and his stat for violent crime in Australia was something like 12.5 percent..... vs our 5 something percent. I think you are definitely right. Ill try to dig up the article...
Everyone anti gun wants a silver bullet. But unfortunately we have to live with the culture we ( Hollywood and video game manufactures, and singer song writers) have created. Super violent games, and to me.....yes that has an effect on the brain, road rage is the norm now, and if you take more than 10 seconds to get a parking spot someone is beeping the horn. God forbid you not romp on the gas at a green light or you'll be flicked off. We have a super violent society with no discipline. Stuff like this happens and people are blown away, well you shouldn't, we have all participated in it.
Even cnn has an article about it... why are people shocked when it happens when our youth has been desensitized to it.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/health/video-games-and-violence/index.html
Songs being sung about blasting cops, murdering people, movies about it... I dunno, but it makes sense to me that it has an effect on people. What the heck do I know tho, just a guy that stayed at a motel six once....
Everyone anti gun wants a silver bullet. But unfortunately we have to live with the culture we ( Hollywood and video game manufactures, and singer song writers) have created. Super violent games, and to me.....yes that has an effect on the brain, road rage is the norm now, and if you take more than 10 seconds to get a parking spot someone is beeping the horn. God forbid you not romp on the gas at a green light or you'll be flicked off. We have a super violent society with no discipline. Stuff like this happens and people are blown away, well you shouldn't, we have all participated in it.
Even cnn has an article about it... why are people shocked when it happens when our youth has been desensitized to it.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/health/video-games-and-violence/index.html
Songs being sung about blasting cops, murdering people, movies about it... I dunno, but it makes sense to me that it has an effect on people. What the heck do I know tho, just a guy that stayed at a motel six once....
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you see....everyone talks about "gun crime".......sure, in other countries, "gun crimes" may be lower.......but "overall crime" has remained the same (if not risen)......gun controll isnt saving lives.....it just means more people are being beaten with bats or stabbed to death instead of being shot.
hell, look at Sweden.......you are 3X more likely to be raped in Sweden than any other 'civilized' country....tell me, how their gun control is making them safer?
ide imagine a lot less rapes would happen if women could defend themselves adequately from their attackers.
hell, look at the UK, in 2014, there were approx 10,000 deaths caused by knives.
in 2014 in the US...there were approx 11,600 homicides caused by firearms.
now take into consideration the scale of the US compared to the UK.....and tell me where is more dangerous
hell, look at Sweden.......you are 3X more likely to be raped in Sweden than any other 'civilized' country....tell me, how their gun control is making them safer?
ide imagine a lot less rapes would happen if women could defend themselves adequately from their attackers.
hell, look at the UK, in 2014, there were approx 10,000 deaths caused by knives.
in 2014 in the US...there were approx 11,600 homicides caused by firearms.
now take into consideration the scale of the US compared to the UK.....and tell me where is more dangerous
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Per capita they are not the highest, 10th I believe. But yea lots of suicides, no guns. That is why I disregard suicides in gun death stats.
The 11,600 number is actually the total homicides(11,961 to be exact) in 2014. Firearms homicide in 2014 was 8126. It helps your argument, which is why I pointed it out.
and in the US we include suicide by gun as gun crime.
Extract out suicide and our gun deaths decline to a few neighborhoods in Chicago and one or two other dem crap holes.
People can beat around the bush all day long. Is race involved, yes. Is there ever going to be a race based solution, no. Such solutions are only likely to achieve one thing, a race war. I'm not advocating that, I am not alone, and that still may not be enough to prevent such; I think it's coming.
Whoever starts it, nobody wins it.
Crime and punishment are very different than when I got out of USMC service, fifty years ago this past week. Criminals (a lot more then than now) feared just punishment from our criminal justice system. These days, it's the criminal social justice system. The basic premise about crime and punishment has become the favorite chew toy of the Pseudo Intellectuals who inhabit our college faculties, the ACLU, and large portions of the criminal appeals process.
This stuff has to be reversed. It will take more, unfortunately, than I can comfortably envision. I can't say what has to be said.
Greg
Whoever starts it, nobody wins it.
Crime and punishment are very different than when I got out of USMC service, fifty years ago this past week. Criminals (a lot more then than now) feared just punishment from our criminal justice system. These days, it's the criminal social justice system. The basic premise about crime and punishment has become the favorite chew toy of the Pseudo Intellectuals who inhabit our college faculties, the ACLU, and large portions of the criminal appeals process.
This stuff has to be reversed. It will take more, unfortunately, than I can comfortably envision. I can't say what has to be said.
Greg
In America, you are a citizen, not a subject or some other form of property of the state. Most other nations have started from the position that their residents were no better than the property of the rich, land gentry or royal families. These people never had rights to property, weapons and self-defense against their overlords was strictly prohibited. 200 years ago, they did not have to fight their way into a continent, killing and displacing the locals to create a country. The concept of standing apart and defending one's life, family and property with your own hands and weapons did not exist.
99% of the arguments presented by socialists, communists and their progressive allies are simply false and misleading. They always seem to insist that the state will protect the individual from whatever ails them and that is patently untrue. In dozens of court cases, it has been ruled that while the police have an obligation to protect society in general, they do not have to protect you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_of_care
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1831140.html
Go to any European country, every gate, door and window is locked and barred, every store has security guards, police on every corner, thieves abound, druggies abound and crime of all sorts is everywhere. The difference is they have all chosen to be victims of their bad elements and they all choose to live and die at the mercy of their governments. They are always one pen stroke away from losing their property, wealth and life to their next tyrant. As an American, I can say NO to my tyrannical government and the criminals it sends to steal my life's work and redistribute it to the scum of society. And my words have meaning because they are backed with the ability to enforce my will upon tyrants.
99% of the arguments presented by socialists, communists and their progressive allies are simply false and misleading. They always seem to insist that the state will protect the individual from whatever ails them and that is patently untrue. In dozens of court cases, it has been ruled that while the police have an obligation to protect society in general, they do not have to protect you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_of_care
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/ca-court-of-appeal/1831140.html
Go to any European country, every gate, door and window is locked and barred, every store has security guards, police on every corner, thieves abound, druggies abound and crime of all sorts is everywhere. The difference is they have all chosen to be victims of their bad elements and they all choose to live and die at the mercy of their governments. They are always one pen stroke away from losing their property, wealth and life to their next tyrant. As an American, I can say NO to my tyrannical government and the criminals it sends to steal my life's work and redistribute it to the scum of society. And my words have meaning because they are backed with the ability to enforce my will upon tyrants.
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Where did you get your figures from? A quick bit of Googling gives me figures of around 530 homicides (total, all methods) for England and Wales (I haven't found for Scotland and Nortern Ireland yet, but it's not going to be 9500 murders)
It was an article from The Sun....claimed in 2014 there were approx 25000 “knife crimes” and murders made approx 39%
The again the source was The Sun....so who knows
Every home in Switzerland, Norway, Finland... with military-age maie citizens in it... contains an automatic weapon and a battle-pack of ammunition.
Where are the machine-gunnings?
Ireland during 'the troubles' had complete gun control. Yet boatloads (literally) of guns were dropped off shore, often bought in Boston and Irish enclaves of the U.S. (Kennedy fundraising was not un-heard-of for the IRA)... and used by the IRA. The Soviets also provided a lot of weapons and ammo. Bombings, sniper fire, shootings... but it was Ok because they were, what, freedom fighters?
Australia gun crime is up... with guns banned. Mexico extremely strict gun laws... that hasn't stopped the country from being awash in firearms (thanks Obama Fast and Furious....)
These articles and arguments... are just that. Making statistics work to prove whatever point the author wanted to prove... in the first place. Numbers never lie, but liars can use numbers.
The author on this article has done a good job... and the age correlation is one that has been important in the USA over the years. When we have a 'low' population of at-risk males, then crime drops. When (as in the echo-boom of the '80s) we had a high population of at-risk-age males, then violent crime goes up. The FBI studied that back in the '80s and correlated that to dropping crime rates decades ago. People were simply getting to the age where... they didn't do violent crimes.
Again, article and the facts used in them are always selective. They can be selective in ways we like. Or ways we don't like.
I'd simply point out that the best argument in all of this stuff is the one written out in a hot Philadelphia room in 1776... which made it clear that humans have natural-born rights... and one of those is the right to defend ones self while enjoying ife, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Those rights aren't granted to us. Those rights are ours. And any infringement of those rights is against the human condition. We have a natural born right to defend ourselves and noone and nothing has a right to take that away. All other arguments are, therefore moot.
If other countries choose not to recognize the freedom of people... and those people are stupid enough to agree to it... if they want to subjects and serfs and slaves and a faceless "Narod" ... that's their business. Not here.
We recognize that all the arguing and statistics are simply babble. Much of it intended to convince the weak-minded to hand over their natural born rights and submit to subjugation by... someone or something else.
Cheers,
Sirhr
Where are the machine-gunnings?
Ireland during 'the troubles' had complete gun control. Yet boatloads (literally) of guns were dropped off shore, often bought in Boston and Irish enclaves of the U.S. (Kennedy fundraising was not un-heard-of for the IRA)... and used by the IRA. The Soviets also provided a lot of weapons and ammo. Bombings, sniper fire, shootings... but it was Ok because they were, what, freedom fighters?
Australia gun crime is up... with guns banned. Mexico extremely strict gun laws... that hasn't stopped the country from being awash in firearms (thanks Obama Fast and Furious....)
These articles and arguments... are just that. Making statistics work to prove whatever point the author wanted to prove... in the first place. Numbers never lie, but liars can use numbers.
The author on this article has done a good job... and the age correlation is one that has been important in the USA over the years. When we have a 'low' population of at-risk males, then crime drops. When (as in the echo-boom of the '80s) we had a high population of at-risk-age males, then violent crime goes up. The FBI studied that back in the '80s and correlated that to dropping crime rates decades ago. People were simply getting to the age where... they didn't do violent crimes.
Again, article and the facts used in them are always selective. They can be selective in ways we like. Or ways we don't like.
I'd simply point out that the best argument in all of this stuff is the one written out in a hot Philadelphia room in 1776... which made it clear that humans have natural-born rights... and one of those is the right to defend ones self while enjoying ife, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Those rights aren't granted to us. Those rights are ours. And any infringement of those rights is against the human condition. We have a natural born right to defend ourselves and noone and nothing has a right to take that away. All other arguments are, therefore moot.
If other countries choose not to recognize the freedom of people... and those people are stupid enough to agree to it... if they want to subjects and serfs and slaves and a faceless "Narod" ... that's their business. Not here.
We recognize that all the arguing and statistics are simply babble. Much of it intended to convince the weak-minded to hand over their natural born rights and submit to subjugation by... someone or something else.
Cheers,
Sirhr
I think race has less to do with it than large groups of impoverished. Every place you find large groups of impoverished people, (in western countries) you find crime. The massive uncontrolled influx of "refugees" into Europe will be their downfall. It's already starting. It may well be here as well, as we no longer even ask our immigrants to integrate into society, not to mention enforce our rules of law. This is IMO, the biggest difference between immigration in the 60s and now.
Locally, this keeps several large groups of people poor as fuck and 100% reliant on the government to survive. All around them they see the spoils of capitalism and the huge amount of wealth it creates but most can't get there. If they just learned English and we paid for them to learn a skilled job they could move out of the fucking high rise poverty storage and start living the American dream, but they have to want it and accept that some of the "old ways" need to go to get there. It's done every day by many who come here to take part. Sadly, I think politicians like them just the way they are, poor props. I'd be fucking angry all the time too.
I grew up on the lower end of the poverty scale until I was in my teens. Growing up poor doesn't mean shit when most around you are somewhat close. You don't see a huge difference in lifestyle, etc. What we didn't have was thousands packed into one block. We cut wood, shoveled snow, picked blueberries and strawberries, worked dairy farms, fished, etc. Stayed busy, there was little time to be idle. When you warehouse poverty and give them nothing to do all day in a land they hardly understand, what do we expect?
Chicago, there is no excuse. They want this gang crime.
Locally, this keeps several large groups of people poor as fuck and 100% reliant on the government to survive. All around them they see the spoils of capitalism and the huge amount of wealth it creates but most can't get there. If they just learned English and we paid for them to learn a skilled job they could move out of the fucking high rise poverty storage and start living the American dream, but they have to want it and accept that some of the "old ways" need to go to get there. It's done every day by many who come here to take part. Sadly, I think politicians like them just the way they are, poor props. I'd be fucking angry all the time too.
I grew up on the lower end of the poverty scale until I was in my teens. Growing up poor doesn't mean shit when most around you are somewhat close. You don't see a huge difference in lifestyle, etc. What we didn't have was thousands packed into one block. We cut wood, shoveled snow, picked blueberries and strawberries, worked dairy farms, fished, etc. Stayed busy, there was little time to be idle. When you warehouse poverty and give them nothing to do all day in a land they hardly understand, what do we expect?
Chicago, there is no excuse. They want this gang crime.
The biggest difference between 60's immigration and today's is now we're importing 3rd world trash. We shouldn't be surprised when they act like 3rd world trash.
A lot has been said, but the simple truth is from the Grammies to Hollywood, we glamorize gangster mentality. We as a whole, are to afraid to do anything that might even address it as I could taken as politically incorrect.
I'll agree on the immigrants but poverty itself doesn't equal violence.
Bringing violent 3rd worlders into a target rich environment will.
Those countries aren't violent because of the topography.
R
I agree with your European assessment. That doesn't explain Chicago. American violance isn't (wasn't) cultural, through I guess that could be argued in Chicago. IMO, For Americans, I think the total lack of respect for human life, as well as the desensitization (is that a word?) of violance through media and poverty all contribute, as does the almost wholesale destruction of the two parent family (quickest way into poverty). When Uncle Sam is you're Daddy, you have a much better chance of being poor and fucked up.
"Gun crime" is just another BS excuse to want to ban guns because you want the people to be a bunch of sheep herded around at the whim of the government & then a little so sorry when the wolves munch a few.
Criminals use whatever they can get a hold of to commit crimes & often find it easy to get "banned" items, "Gun Control" just means that it is a nice victim rich place where criminals have it easy. If you wanted to be a criminal, move to western Europe, it's practically criminal heaven.
Violent Crime is rampant in most countries with low "Gun Crime" and "Effective Gun control"
Take a look at England, sure low "Gun crime" but you are very likely to get your door kicked in by thugs or robbed, raped on the streets. The police actively minimize the statistics by for example saying 13 home invasions in 1 apartment block that night were just 1 report etc.
Take a look at Sweden, where in just 1 city there are more Greneade attacks in a single year, than 10 years or more in the USA.
The rape & assault on women statistics in western Europe are off the charts compared to most places in the USA.
If you remove from the "Gun Violence" "Statistics" , Suicide, Police shooting people, Lawful self defense, the "statistics" are greatly dropped.
Then if you remove Criminals using "illegal" guns in big Democrat Liberal run garbage heaps of cities that already have near complete gun control, it pretty much drops off a cliff.
We did not have a problem with "Gun Crime" when everybody was armed, guns were less regulated & there was no welfare & no putting up with people being evil.
There was a supposed "Gun" problem during prohibition, but that was specifically created by the Government's stupid puritanical attempt to help corporate profits for the oil men, under the guise of enforcing the morality of some religious zealots. Once it was repealed, the spike in crime ended.
Unfortunately people didn't learn their lesson and the "war on drugs" which is another great lie based on corporate greed, political power & government corruption, provides a spike in violence. If drugs were suddenly legal and sold cheaply at your corner pharmacy, a huge amount of crime would drop (there will be arguments about people destroying their lives with drugs, but that happens all day anyways, so it's not really going to change much).
You want to get rid of this "Gun Crime"
1. Most decent people should carry a gun & be ready to use it.
2. Get rid of the drug war & have drugs sold by the government cheaply / freely so you can go home and mess up your life all you want.
3. End welfare, you don't work, you don't eat, you steal, you get shot by the person you are trying to steal from (Valid Disability payments are fine)
4. Hold people accountable for their actions and none of this "letting things go in the hood so as not to "inflame" racial tensions"
5. Get rid of Democrats, liberals & socialists.
Criminals use whatever they can get a hold of to commit crimes & often find it easy to get "banned" items, "Gun Control" just means that it is a nice victim rich place where criminals have it easy. If you wanted to be a criminal, move to western Europe, it's practically criminal heaven.
Violent Crime is rampant in most countries with low "Gun Crime" and "Effective Gun control"
Take a look at England, sure low "Gun crime" but you are very likely to get your door kicked in by thugs or robbed, raped on the streets. The police actively minimize the statistics by for example saying 13 home invasions in 1 apartment block that night were just 1 report etc.
Take a look at Sweden, where in just 1 city there are more Greneade attacks in a single year, than 10 years or more in the USA.
The rape & assault on women statistics in western Europe are off the charts compared to most places in the USA.
If you remove from the "Gun Violence" "Statistics" , Suicide, Police shooting people, Lawful self defense, the "statistics" are greatly dropped.
Then if you remove Criminals using "illegal" guns in big Democrat Liberal run garbage heaps of cities that already have near complete gun control, it pretty much drops off a cliff.
We did not have a problem with "Gun Crime" when everybody was armed, guns were less regulated & there was no welfare & no putting up with people being evil.
There was a supposed "Gun" problem during prohibition, but that was specifically created by the Government's stupid puritanical attempt to help corporate profits for the oil men, under the guise of enforcing the morality of some religious zealots. Once it was repealed, the spike in crime ended.
Unfortunately people didn't learn their lesson and the "war on drugs" which is another great lie based on corporate greed, political power & government corruption, provides a spike in violence. If drugs were suddenly legal and sold cheaply at your corner pharmacy, a huge amount of crime would drop (there will be arguments about people destroying their lives with drugs, but that happens all day anyways, so it's not really going to change much).
You want to get rid of this "Gun Crime"
1. Most decent people should carry a gun & be ready to use it.
2. Get rid of the drug war & have drugs sold by the government cheaply / freely so you can go home and mess up your life all you want.
3. End welfare, you don't work, you don't eat, you steal, you get shot by the person you are trying to steal from (Valid Disability payments are fine)
4. Hold people accountable for their actions and none of this "letting things go in the hood so as not to "inflame" racial tensions"
5. Get rid of Democrats, liberals & socialists.
Its hard to make comparisons with countries that have a fraction of the population or land mass of the U.S. Of course its easier to manage a smaller group of people in a much smaller area.
I can easily keep order (perceived order most days) in my house with just my wife, 3 kids, 2 fish, and a dog (the dog being the most obedient one). However, if I was tasked with the same for my entire neighborhood, well things get much much harder.
You cannot govern our country with its current land mass and population size (and population diversity) with tighter regulations and micromanagement. Its about empowering the people at the local levels to govern themselves with a loose management system at the top. Like a business franchise. Individually owned, loosely managed at the top.
I can easily keep order (perceived order most days) in my house with just my wife, 3 kids, 2 fish, and a dog (the dog being the most obedient one). However, if I was tasked with the same for my entire neighborhood, well things get much much harder.
You cannot govern our country with its current land mass and population size (and population diversity) with tighter regulations and micromanagement. Its about empowering the people at the local levels to govern themselves with a loose management system at the top. Like a business franchise. Individually owned, loosely managed at the top.
Hows this for an answer. I dont give a duck about other countries. I only care about my country and my absolute rights. I would not care one bit of the rest of the world burned.
Sadly , at least in Aus , the presence of ( some flavours of ) immigrants
has a large effect on the amount of crime . Western Sydney and
Melbourne , I’m looking at you . I can’t see Australian style firearm laws
ever being introduced in the US , let alone working there . Far too many
firearms of all flavours already in the public domain .
has a large effect on the amount of crime . Western Sydney and
Melbourne , I’m looking at you . I can’t see Australian style firearm laws
ever being introduced in the US , let alone working there . Far too many
firearms of all flavours already in the public domain .
Equality is a false socialist talking point. Low IQ, Poverty and Violence tend to go together. You can blame whichever one on the other that you want.
Surely you are not putting your faith in this methodology? From the report you cite: "The NCVS is a self-report survey in which interviewed persons are asked about the number and characteristics of victimizations experienced during the prior 6 months."
WTF is a white supremacist?
I believe it's well established you're a socialist.
I dont think he leans the dem party way, the only racist i see on this forum is you. you are a registered racist, teh party of the KKK, BLack panther, black abortion that has killed more black babies than any other devious plot the Dems have come up with to this date.
No; I'm a black supremacist. Blacks are genetically superior people. They run faster and are better ball players. Blacks are superior athletes, unless we're talking swimming or winter olympics sports, then I'd be in the white supremacist camp.
What I pointed out and I'm sure you know is that low IQ, poverty and violence tend to go together. You cite poverty as the cause of violence and that's not surprising given your socialist views. If poverty were the cause of violence, that's all the better for the socialists that want to take more from earners to distribute to the poor, after siphoning off part as it works its way through gov agencies of course.
Countries with gun control still has crimes, it’s even far worst than you guys know. Govt can control and take all the guns but can’t get it off the black market. There will always be crime and criminal activity in this world ? so how to you protect yourself from harms way? When cops ? are scared of their Witt and won’t do their job. If your kid was One of the dead kids. You would want to strap up and protect your family. We expect government to do everything for us and it’s not gonna happen. Politics is to serious to be left alone to politicians. We have to do our part.
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Gun Possession is Too Widespread to be Reversed
From the earliest times, Americans have been able to purchase firearms. Guns last longer that just a few years; they hardly have an expiry date. There are millions and millions of guns in as many drawers. Most homes will own a gun. Banning guns will only yield the result that people who can’t get them anymore are at a huge disadvantage. It will isolate the have-nots over against an overwhelming majority of gun owners whose guns are going nowhere.
Now that the gun is here you can’t take it away anymore and you can’t prevent people from getting new ones either. Any gun ban will not evaporate all those guns that were once sold and are still operational. If people can’t get a gun anymore, they will feel defenseless in the face of criminals and gangs.
From the earliest times, Americans have been able to purchase firearms. Guns last longer that just a few years; they hardly have an expiry date. There are millions and millions of guns in as many drawers. Most homes will own a gun. Banning guns will only yield the result that people who can’t get them anymore are at a huge disadvantage. It will isolate the have-nots over against an overwhelming majority of gun owners whose guns are going nowhere.
Now that the gun is here you can’t take it away anymore and you can’t prevent people from getting new ones either. Any gun ban will not evaporate all those guns that were once sold and are still operational. If people can’t get a gun anymore, they will feel defenseless in the face of criminals and gangs.
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