i just started trying to learn to shoot really far out,anyone think the can give me a quick guide on what it takes to be able to shoot at 600yds plus
Fieldcraft im new and just started shooting long distance
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Re: im new and just started shooting long distance
Good place to start is by using the Search button on the site... ^^^ Grab a cup of coffee and enjoy the reading.
Good starting thread: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=237232#Post237232
Good place to start is by using the Search button on the site... ^^^ Grab a cup of coffee and enjoy the reading.
Good starting thread: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=237232#Post237232
Re: im new and just started shooting long distance
Welcome. Off to a good start.
First, examine your own individual reality.
LR is fun, but it's not everything. Figure out for yourself just how much of your shooting will actually encompass LR, and do your planning from there. If you're like me, LR shooting is important, but it's also something I only get to do on special occasions. Building my entire effort around something that's not actually the central part of my shooting activities isn't the most effective way to configure my efforts.
How does this change my approach?
It bears heavily on caliber choice and equipment specialization. It also helps separate the equipment questions from the skills questions.
The first area of concentration should involve skills. With very few exceptions, the skills are independent of the equipment or the designated shooting distance. The skills are best learned in the simplest and least costly manner. Don't pop-poo the .22. Smart shooters shoot the heck out of their .22's, far more than all the rest of their firearms combined. It's cheaper, it's less stressful, and it saves a ton on ammunition costs and unnecessary centerfire bore wear. It can also be done in much smaller, nearer areas, even indoors.
Also, understand that a shooter who is own instructor has a fool for a student. The single common denominator of self taught shooters is misconceptions and bad habits. Get trained, experienced help.
Once you're getting 10 rounds into a quarter sized hole at 50ft on a regular basis, it's time for centerfire. A .223 Varmint Rifle with a scope that's variable up to at least 20x is the next tool. Run the targets out to 100, 200, and if possible, 300yd. Get your handloading operation up and running. Once you're shooting 1MOA and under on a regular basis, go with a .308 and run 'em out to a far as 1Kyd; but also understand that unless your local range is a 1K range, that's going to be a periodic treat, and not the main course. Plan your activities and acquisitions accordingly.
Greg
Welcome. Off to a good start.
First, examine your own individual reality.
LR is fun, but it's not everything. Figure out for yourself just how much of your shooting will actually encompass LR, and do your planning from there. If you're like me, LR shooting is important, but it's also something I only get to do on special occasions. Building my entire effort around something that's not actually the central part of my shooting activities isn't the most effective way to configure my efforts.
How does this change my approach?
It bears heavily on caliber choice and equipment specialization. It also helps separate the equipment questions from the skills questions.
The first area of concentration should involve skills. With very few exceptions, the skills are independent of the equipment or the designated shooting distance. The skills are best learned in the simplest and least costly manner. Don't pop-poo the .22. Smart shooters shoot the heck out of their .22's, far more than all the rest of their firearms combined. It's cheaper, it's less stressful, and it saves a ton on ammunition costs and unnecessary centerfire bore wear. It can also be done in much smaller, nearer areas, even indoors.
Also, understand that a shooter who is own instructor has a fool for a student. The single common denominator of self taught shooters is misconceptions and bad habits. Get trained, experienced help.
Once you're getting 10 rounds into a quarter sized hole at 50ft on a regular basis, it's time for centerfire. A .223 Varmint Rifle with a scope that's variable up to at least 20x is the next tool. Run the targets out to 100, 200, and if possible, 300yd. Get your handloading operation up and running. Once you're shooting 1MOA and under on a regular basis, go with a .308 and run 'em out to a far as 1Kyd; but also understand that unless your local range is a 1K range, that's going to be a periodic treat, and not the main course. Plan your activities and acquisitions accordingly.
Greg
Re: im new and just started shooting long distance
Great explanantion Greg. OP, you may want to check this link out also. Also, doing lots of reading on marksmanship is one thing, but nothing beats sending lots of rounds down range... Welcome.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=216239#Post216239
Great explanantion Greg. OP, you may want to check this link out also. Also, doing lots of reading on marksmanship is one thing, but nothing beats sending lots of rounds down range... Welcome.
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=216239#Post216239
Re: im new and just started shooting long distance
The most important thing you can do is join the online training here
Effective long range shooting starts on your living room carpet. Learning proper mechanical skills and practicing them by dry firing will directly transfer to the range. It doesn't matter if you dry fire with a BB gun, the fundamentals remain the same. At increasing distances, atmospheric variables like wind, density altitude, etc., are initially less of an issue than the physical mechanics of the shot sequence. Most of the accuracy issues you read about here are not atmospheric, but rather the "nut behind the bolt."
Welcome to the frustrating but rewarding world of precision shooting.
The most important thing you can do is join the online training here
Effective long range shooting starts on your living room carpet. Learning proper mechanical skills and practicing them by dry firing will directly transfer to the range. It doesn't matter if you dry fire with a BB gun, the fundamentals remain the same. At increasing distances, atmospheric variables like wind, density altitude, etc., are initially less of an issue than the physical mechanics of the shot sequence. Most of the accuracy issues you read about here are not atmospheric, but rather the "nut behind the bolt."
Welcome to the frustrating but rewarding world of precision shooting.
Re: im new and just started shooting long distance
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gashooters87</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i just started trying to learn to shoot really far out,anyone think the can give me a quick guide on what it takes to be able to shoot at 600yds plus</div></div>
you will need a rifle and some boolits and a target to shoot at at 600 yards.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gashooters87</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i just started trying to learn to shoot really far out,anyone think the can give me a quick guide on what it takes to be able to shoot at 600yds plus</div></div>
you will need a rifle and some boolits and a target to shoot at at 600 yards.
Re: im new and just started shooting long distance
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Welcome. Off to a good start.
First, examine your own individual reality.
LR is fun, but it's not everything. Figure out for yourself just how much of your shooting will actually encompass LR, and do your planning from there. If you're like me, LR shooting is important, but it's also something I only get to do on special occasions. Building my entire effort around something that's not actually the central part of my shooting activities isn't the most effective way to configure my efforts.
How does this change my approach?
It bears heavily on caliber choice and equipment specialization. It also helps separate the equipment questions from the skills questions.
The first area of concentration should involve skills. With very few exceptions, the skills are independent of the equipment or the designated shooting distance. The skills are best learned in the simplest and least costly manner. Don't pop-poo the .22. Smart shooters shoot the heck out of their .22's, far more than all the rest of their firearms combined. It's cheaper, it's less stressful, and it saves a ton on ammunition costs and unnecessary centerfire bore wear. It can also be done in much smaller, nearer areas, even indoors.
Also, understand that a shooter who is own instructor has a fool for a student. The single common denominator of self taught shooters is misconceptions and bad habits. Get trained, experienced help.
Once you're getting 10 rounds into a quarter sized hole at 50ft on a regular basis, it's time for centerfire. A .223 Varmint Rifle with a scope that's variable up to at least 20x is the next tool. Run the targets out to 100, 200, and if possible, 300yd. Get your handloading operation up and running. Once you're shooting 1MOA and under on a regular basis, go with a .308 and run 'em out to a far as 1Kyd; but also understand that unless your local range is a 1K range, that's going to be a periodic treat, and not the main course. Plan your activities and acquisitions accordingly.
Greg </div></div>
Read and learn form those that "been there and done that"......+10^n
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Welcome. Off to a good start.
First, examine your own individual reality.
LR is fun, but it's not everything. Figure out for yourself just how much of your shooting will actually encompass LR, and do your planning from there. If you're like me, LR shooting is important, but it's also something I only get to do on special occasions. Building my entire effort around something that's not actually the central part of my shooting activities isn't the most effective way to configure my efforts.
How does this change my approach?
It bears heavily on caliber choice and equipment specialization. It also helps separate the equipment questions from the skills questions.
The first area of concentration should involve skills. With very few exceptions, the skills are independent of the equipment or the designated shooting distance. The skills are best learned in the simplest and least costly manner. Don't pop-poo the .22. Smart shooters shoot the heck out of their .22's, far more than all the rest of their firearms combined. It's cheaper, it's less stressful, and it saves a ton on ammunition costs and unnecessary centerfire bore wear. It can also be done in much smaller, nearer areas, even indoors.
Also, understand that a shooter who is own instructor has a fool for a student. The single common denominator of self taught shooters is misconceptions and bad habits. Get trained, experienced help.
Once you're getting 10 rounds into a quarter sized hole at 50ft on a regular basis, it's time for centerfire. A .223 Varmint Rifle with a scope that's variable up to at least 20x is the next tool. Run the targets out to 100, 200, and if possible, 300yd. Get your handloading operation up and running. Once you're shooting 1MOA and under on a regular basis, go with a .308 and run 'em out to a far as 1Kyd; but also understand that unless your local range is a 1K range, that's going to be a periodic treat, and not the main course. Plan your activities and acquisitions accordingly.
Greg </div></div>
Read and learn form those that "been there and done that"......+10^n
Re: im new and just started shooting long distance
Rather than respond privately, I'll put the response here.
While .300WM is well suited for LR, it is also expensive to shoot, has more recoil than is ideal for the amount of practice necessary to develop the proper skills, and may not have the degree of bore resilience to survive the exercise efficiently.
What you can learn about wind at 1000yd with a centerfire can be pretty closely duplicated by taking a .22LR out to beyond 100yd.
The only magnums I own are a .44Mag lever gun, and a 7MM Mag Rem 700 Hunter. The former makes good sense to me as a deer rifle, the latter is in my possession solely because it was inherited and I'm 'stewarding' it for the next generation. I consider most of them as overkill, and prefer the surgical approach to that of the main force approach. A miss is a miss with any chambering, and my hunting mandra is associated with stalking skills which permit shooting at a more comfortable, reliable distance, and employing adequate force, rather than overwhelming force.
Defeating paper targets is about wind and inherent accuracy, recoil and terminal energy are not paramount, and I prefer to keep them to the least necessary value. Hunting demands otherwise, but I still prefer to keep them to within minimal necessary limits. I have personal physical limitations which make that more desirable for myself than for others.
Greg
Rather than respond privately, I'll put the response here.
While .300WM is well suited for LR, it is also expensive to shoot, has more recoil than is ideal for the amount of practice necessary to develop the proper skills, and may not have the degree of bore resilience to survive the exercise efficiently.
What you can learn about wind at 1000yd with a centerfire can be pretty closely duplicated by taking a .22LR out to beyond 100yd.
The only magnums I own are a .44Mag lever gun, and a 7MM Mag Rem 700 Hunter. The former makes good sense to me as a deer rifle, the latter is in my possession solely because it was inherited and I'm 'stewarding' it for the next generation. I consider most of them as overkill, and prefer the surgical approach to that of the main force approach. A miss is a miss with any chambering, and my hunting mandra is associated with stalking skills which permit shooting at a more comfortable, reliable distance, and employing adequate force, rather than overwhelming force.
Defeating paper targets is about wind and inherent accuracy, recoil and terminal energy are not paramount, and I prefer to keep them to the least necessary value. Hunting demands otherwise, but I still prefer to keep them to within minimal necessary limits. I have personal physical limitations which make that more desirable for myself than for others.
Greg
Re: im new and just started shooting long distance
To the OP:
Listen to Greg, dig his brain, I did, and I benefit from his wisdom in shooting.
Sign on to online training, and try to shoot with other Hide members in your area.
Dyl..
To the OP:
Listen to Greg, dig his brain, I did, and I benefit from his wisdom in shooting.
Sign on to online training, and try to shoot with other Hide members in your area.
Dyl..
Re: im new and just started shooting long distance
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T.C.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good place to start is by using the Search button on the site... ^^^ Grab a cup of coffee and enjoy the reading.
Good starting thread: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=237232#Post237232
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Hi. Thanks a bunch for posting this, im starting my journey of long range marksmanship and was about to make a thread about all the information you just posted, life saver! thanks mate
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T.C.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good place to start is by using the Search button on the site... ^^^ Grab a cup of coffee and enjoy the reading.
Good starting thread: http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=237232#Post237232
</div></div>
Hi. Thanks a bunch for posting this, im starting my journey of long range marksmanship and was about to make a thread about all the information you just posted, life saver! thanks mate
