Ok, im a new member. Ive always been into CQC..Just got into the long range set-ups. Needing advise on upcoming build. im looking to get a folding AI stock for Rem 700..but not sure what remington to use! i know i want a 26" heavy barrel style..any advise on best to get at a reasonal price. Im not rich..Thanks!
In NEED of advise...
- Thread starter Blackside
- Start date
Re: In NEED of advise...
Hang around longer, you'll lose the desire for the 26" barrel.
Grab a AI 2.0 Folder and a Remington 700 AAC 20" 308 and prepare to rule the range.
Hang around longer, you'll lose the desire for the 26" barrel.
Grab a AI 2.0 Folder and a Remington 700 AAC 20" 308 and prepare to rule the range.
Re: In NEED of advise...
ok..ive read yall posts for years so im open to everyones advise..just ive always heard the longer the better? im a big ar fan and traded parts for my first "sniper" type..i got an AR30 338 and shoots pretty well..thats why i thought of going with 26"
ok..ive read yall posts for years so im open to everyones advise..just ive always heard the longer the better? im a big ar fan and traded parts for my first "sniper" type..i got an AR30 338 and shoots pretty well..thats why i thought of going with 26"
Re: In NEED of advise...
Unless you are planning for one of the magnum calibers (or a host of other calibers on which you NEED the addt'l barrel length), I gotta go with jasonk on this one. No need for a 26" barreled 308 to get you to the cartridge's max usable range.
I prefer the AICS to most of the other stocks on the market right now, but everyone has their personal preferences. Unless you have handled one and you like it, don't sell yourself short on the myriad of other high quality stocks on the market like the McMillan A-series stocks, Manners, etc. If you go with the AICS, I like the Stage 2.0 chassis because of its ability to fold up for ease of transport and cleaning without removal of the cheek riser.
As for the rifle...if you are going with the AICS, you have to stick with the Remington 700 series rifles unless you go custom on the action and with a little work to the chassis. The 700 AAC that jasonk recommended is an excellent choice. It is already threaded for a muzzle brake/flash hider or a can if you go down that road later. Also, look at the Remington 5R rifles (24" barrel is a little long, but they are excellent factory produced rifles), as well as the 700SPS Tactical (20" barrel, but unlike the AAC, the barrel isn't threaded). Also, the LTR is a good rifle to consider.
Unless you are planning for one of the magnum calibers (or a host of other calibers on which you NEED the addt'l barrel length), I gotta go with jasonk on this one. No need for a 26" barreled 308 to get you to the cartridge's max usable range.
I prefer the AICS to most of the other stocks on the market right now, but everyone has their personal preferences. Unless you have handled one and you like it, don't sell yourself short on the myriad of other high quality stocks on the market like the McMillan A-series stocks, Manners, etc. If you go with the AICS, I like the Stage 2.0 chassis because of its ability to fold up for ease of transport and cleaning without removal of the cheek riser.
As for the rifle...if you are going with the AICS, you have to stick with the Remington 700 series rifles unless you go custom on the action and with a little work to the chassis. The 700 AAC that jasonk recommended is an excellent choice. It is already threaded for a muzzle brake/flash hider or a can if you go down that road later. Also, look at the Remington 5R rifles (24" barrel is a little long, but they are excellent factory produced rifles), as well as the 700SPS Tactical (20" barrel, but unlike the AAC, the barrel isn't threaded). Also, the LTR is a good rifle to consider.
Re: In NEED of advise...
Also i havent purchased any parts yet. trying to actually do some reserch before getting tied down. Still have to think about bi-pod..color scheme, scope, mounts etc.. Thanks for anyones help!!
Also i havent purchased any parts yet. trying to actually do some reserch before getting tied down. Still have to think about bi-pod..color scheme, scope, mounts etc.. Thanks for anyones help!!
Re: In NEED of advise...
Well im a for sure on the AICS 2.0..fell in love with it..son ive never had!...i looked into the 5R at first. Then decided to get on the forum to ask people who would know whats best
Well im a for sure on the AICS 2.0..fell in love with it..son ive never had!...i looked into the 5R at first. Then decided to get on the forum to ask people who would know whats best
Re: In NEED of advise...
Why do you want a folder? Are you going to be using the rifle in situations that a folder is needed? The price of a 1.5(non-folding) is around $850 or so and the price for a 2.0(folding) is about $1030 or so. If you don't NEED a folding stock you can save yourself almost $200.
Why do you want a folder? Are you going to be using the rifle in situations that a folder is needed? The price of a 1.5(non-folding) is around $850 or so and the price for a 2.0(folding) is about $1030 or so. If you don't NEED a folding stock you can save yourself almost $200.
Re: In NEED of advise...
No, i dont need it. Just wanted it. i know the 200 would come in handy on other parts, but i really like the stock.
No, i dont need it. Just wanted it. i know the 200 would come in handy on other parts, but i really like the stock.
Re: In NEED of advise...
Also depending on your budget for a scope the extra $200 could put you onto a real good one.
Also, have you ever been behind an AI chasis? I would suggest you try and find someone local who would let you handle it, some people like them and other don't. If you end up buying one and not liking it it's an expensive error.
Also depending on your budget for a scope the extra $200 could put you onto a real good one.
Also, have you ever been behind an AI chasis? I would suggest you try and find someone local who would let you handle it, some people like them and other don't. If you end up buying one and not liking it it's an expensive error.
Re: In NEED of advise...
I would advise buying the folder. That way, if you want to eventually shoot the rifle, you can take it off and sell it easier. It seems like about 50% of the people who try one love it and the other half hate it. I think the half that hate them made the mistake of shooting the rifle. Otherwise they are fine. The folders sell well and the others tend to linger. JMO
I would advise buying the folder. That way, if you want to eventually shoot the rifle, you can take it off and sell it easier. It seems like about 50% of the people who try one love it and the other half hate it. I think the half that hate them made the mistake of shooting the rifle. Otherwise they are fine. The folders sell well and the others tend to linger. JMO
Re: In NEED of advise...
True..what do yall prefer? i know an extra 200 just for folding capability and easier cleaning..is it worth it? But i still love the look. Im trying to build it on paper so i can have a rough est on budget and look.
True..what do yall prefer? i know an extra 200 just for folding capability and easier cleaning..is it worth it? But i still love the look. Im trying to build it on paper so i can have a rough est on budget and look.
Re: In NEED of advise...
I prefer normal style stocks. My build that is going on right now is going to use a Manners MCS-T. Edit: that is not mine, just pulled the picture from the Manners site.
I prefer normal style stocks. My build that is going on right now is going to use a Manners MCS-T. Edit: that is not mine, just pulled the picture from the Manners site.
Re: In NEED of advise...
Nice..but i do want the ACIS. So back to the remington model to use? i should forget the 26?..go with a shorter barrel?
Nice..but i do want the ACIS. So back to the remington model to use? i should forget the 26?..go with a shorter barrel?
Re: In NEED of advise...
What caliber are you going to use? This will help dicate what barrel length. Also most good gun smiths will be able to help guide you in your decisions once you describe the purpose of the rifle.
What caliber are you going to use? This will help dicate what barrel length. Also most good gun smiths will be able to help guide you in your decisions once you describe the purpose of the rifle.
Re: In NEED of advise...
you can go shorter than that. There are many 20-18in .308 shooting very accuratly. there are 16.5in ones shooting damn well too.
If you search i believe there is a thread compairing different barrel length and FPS measurments.
you can go shorter than that. There are many 20-18in .308 shooting very accuratly. there are 16.5in ones shooting damn well too.
If you search i believe there is a thread compairing different barrel length and FPS measurments.
Re: In NEED of advise...
Also, how far do you plan to shoot? I see that you are in Houston. The longest range we have around here is a 1k yard range at Bayou and a 20" .308 (assuming you are shooting a .308) will reach that distance without a problem. The shorter .308s are handier to carry around without losing much speed to the longer barrels.
Also, how far do you plan to shoot? I see that you are in Houston. The longest range we have around here is a 1k yard range at Bayou and a 20" .308 (assuming you are shooting a .308) will reach that distance without a problem. The shorter .308s are handier to carry around without losing much speed to the longer barrels.
Re: In NEED of advise...
I hate yall. I was happy with my setup, but now that I have seen the AAC, I have to get one. LOL
I hate yall. I was happy with my setup, but now that I have seen the AAC, I have to get one. LOL
Re: In NEED of advise...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-Wall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hate yall. I was happy with my setup, but now that I have seen the AAC, I have to get one. LOL </div></div>Wrong thread?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: T-Wall</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I hate yall. I was happy with my setup, but now that I have seen the AAC, I have to get one. LOL </div></div>Wrong thread?
Re: In NEED of advise...
Yes..i usually shoot at my house, i have a few acres. i just thought the longer barrel would make sence but wasnt sure thats why i asked
Yes..i usually shoot at my house, i have a few acres. i just thought the longer barrel would make sence but wasnt sure thats why i asked
Re: In NEED of advise...
Ok, since i got the barrel squared away,anyone have any ideas on a good brand scope that wont put me into debt? Nightforce is what id like, but $$$$$
Ok, since i got the barrel squared away,anyone have any ideas on a good brand scope that wont put me into debt? Nightforce is what id like, but $$$$$
Re: In NEED of advise...
If you have enough cash maybe GAP?
I would go whit 20-24" barrel. More likely whit 20-22".
No need for 26" barrel. Its heavy and difficult to move around. Whit supressor its even more difficult.
As LL once said whit 18" Cladius the idea was to "own" 600m range.
It is possible to go 1k whit 18" but its no more in its element.
Then again is 308 in its element in 1k? No but it can be done easily whit 20-24 inch barrel.
Aics is heavy stock and 2.0 is even heavier then 1.5. So you will not have light weight gun no matter what. Whit 26" Aics is just awkward. Ad supressor and other crap that goes whit your rifle..
HS is mine and it has 24" barrel. Aics is not mine and it has 26" barrel. I do like Aics but i just dont like 26" barrels for 308.
Take look at some precison rifle pic topics and really thing "would i like to carry that"? No matter which forum/range you go you see these guys that have allkind of crazy thinks on their rifle. You must be superman or batman if you can use those guns for something else then prone shooting at range. Maybe bench but no way you can do anything else whit it.
Then there is 26" barrel+4" supressor... Very user frendly. Again maybe at the square range.
Same goes whit Triggers "look at my match trigger, ohh wait it should work".
Or "look at my supertight action it should work but its too....."
"Look at my molle vest. It has everything and i look cool while wearing it but i cant move while wearing it"
If you have enough cash maybe GAP?
I would go whit 20-24" barrel. More likely whit 20-22".
No need for 26" barrel. Its heavy and difficult to move around. Whit supressor its even more difficult.
As LL once said whit 18" Cladius the idea was to "own" 600m range.
It is possible to go 1k whit 18" but its no more in its element.
Then again is 308 in its element in 1k? No but it can be done easily whit 20-24 inch barrel.
Aics is heavy stock and 2.0 is even heavier then 1.5. So you will not have light weight gun no matter what. Whit 26" Aics is just awkward. Ad supressor and other crap that goes whit your rifle..
HS is mine and it has 24" barrel. Aics is not mine and it has 26" barrel. I do like Aics but i just dont like 26" barrels for 308.
Take look at some precison rifle pic topics and really thing "would i like to carry that"? No matter which forum/range you go you see these guys that have allkind of crazy thinks on their rifle. You must be superman or batman if you can use those guns for something else then prone shooting at range. Maybe bench but no way you can do anything else whit it.
Then there is 26" barrel+4" supressor... Very user frendly. Again maybe at the square range.
Same goes whit Triggers "look at my match trigger, ohh wait it should work".
Or "look at my supertight action it should work but its too....."
"Look at my molle vest. It has everything and i look cool while wearing it but i cant move while wearing it"
Re: In NEED of advise...
I agree completely!.. i want it to look great..but needs to be practical also. i have a AR30 with 26" barrel and hard to lug it around. i wanted a nice custom muzzle break..but wont do much for the 20" on looks. And i know a 308 really dosent need it anyway. So is the Rem 700 .308 AAC is the way to go??? WOW..and i thought the barrel was gonna be the easy decision!
I agree completely!.. i want it to look great..but needs to be practical also. i have a AR30 with 26" barrel and hard to lug it around. i wanted a nice custom muzzle break..but wont do much for the 20" on looks. And i know a 308 really dosent need it anyway. So is the Rem 700 .308 AAC is the way to go??? WOW..and i thought the barrel was gonna be the easy decision!
Re: In NEED of advise...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackside</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree completely!.. i want it to look great..but needs to be practical also. i have a AR30 with 26" barrel and hard to lug it around. i wanted a nice custom muzzle break..but wont do much for the 20" on looks. And i know a 308 really dosent need it anyway. So is the Rem 700 .308 AAC is the way to go??? WOW..and i thought the barrel was gonna be the easy decision! </div></div> should work fine, plus it's already threaded for a suppressor. Since you want an AI chasis there is a dealer on here, i think their user name is Sinclair or something like that. Get a 20MOA EGW base, Burris rings and a scope. A lot of people bitch about Leupolds but i've had two and not had a problem. If you have a problem they will fix it. I'm probably going to be selling mine so i can upgrade to an IOR.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackside</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree completely!.. i want it to look great..but needs to be practical also. i have a AR30 with 26" barrel and hard to lug it around. i wanted a nice custom muzzle break..but wont do much for the 20" on looks. And i know a 308 really dosent need it anyway. So is the Rem 700 .308 AAC is the way to go??? WOW..and i thought the barrel was gonna be the easy decision! </div></div> should work fine, plus it's already threaded for a suppressor. Since you want an AI chasis there is a dealer on here, i think their user name is Sinclair or something like that. Get a 20MOA EGW base, Burris rings and a scope. A lot of people bitch about Leupolds but i've had two and not had a problem. If you have a problem they will fix it. I'm probably going to be selling mine so i can upgrade to an IOR.
Re: In NEED of advise...
The fad is now toward short barrels, but you will enjoy shooting a longer one more at long range, I would think. Less blast, less drift, less drop and more velocity. I know someone will post exactly how much they think they will loose etc, and say it is not much, but longer is better. Short is a fad.
The fad is now toward short barrels, but you will enjoy shooting a longer one more at long range, I would think. Less blast, less drift, less drop and more velocity. I know someone will post exactly how much they think they will loose etc, and say it is not much, but longer is better. Short is a fad.
Re: In NEED of advise...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fad is now toward short barrels, but you will enjoy shooting a longer one more at long range, I would think. Less blast, less drift, less drop and more velocity. I know someone will post exactly how much they think they will loose etc, and say it is not much, but longer is better. Short is a fad. </div></div> it's not a fad if it fits your purpose. why would i want to carry around a heavy 26in barrel .308 in an AI chasis for shooting varmint when i could carry a sub 10lb 16.5in in a light hunting style stock?
it's all about purpose, if you will be laying prone or shooting bench all the time then get the longest barrled rifle you can get. if you are going to be carrying around the rifle hunting or what have you then you might want a lighter shorted barreled rifle.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rth1800</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The fad is now toward short barrels, but you will enjoy shooting a longer one more at long range, I would think. Less blast, less drift, less drop and more velocity. I know someone will post exactly how much they think they will loose etc, and say it is not much, but longer is better. Short is a fad. </div></div> it's not a fad if it fits your purpose. why would i want to carry around a heavy 26in barrel .308 in an AI chasis for shooting varmint when i could carry a sub 10lb 16.5in in a light hunting style stock?
it's all about purpose, if you will be laying prone or shooting bench all the time then get the longest barrled rifle you can get. if you are going to be carrying around the rifle hunting or what have you then you might want a lighter shorted barreled rifle.
Re: In NEED of advise...
See..im in limbo of the long / short.. and what model scope was that Crazy?
See..im in limbo of the long / short.. and what model scope was that Crazy?
Re: In NEED of advise...
You never said what you wanted to use the rifle for.
A 20" .308 will own to 600 yards and is 1000-yard capable with the right ammo.
Not many people shoot beyond 600, though, and even fewer do it regularly.
That said, a 24" barrel is ideal for comfort and balance in a comp where few shots are from alternative positions and only about 10% of the shots are 800-plus.
Rifle weight is probably more important than barrel length in a .308: Get a barrel contour that will allow you to shoot 70-80 rounds a day for three days straight.
You never said what you wanted to use the rifle for.
A 20" .308 will own to 600 yards and is 1000-yard capable with the right ammo.
Not many people shoot beyond 600, though, and even fewer do it regularly.
That said, a 24" barrel is ideal for comfort and balance in a comp where few shots are from alternative positions and only about 10% of the shots are 800-plus.
Rifle weight is probably more important than barrel length in a .308: Get a barrel contour that will allow you to shoot 70-80 rounds a day for three days straight.
Re: In NEED of advise...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackside</div><div class="ubbcode-body">See..im in limbo of the long / short.. and what model scope was that Crazy? </div></div> My first one was on a version of the MK12 Mod0(AR) and it was spec to the build as a 3.5–10×40mm LR M3, the second one i have now is a 4.5-14x50mm(i think it's 50). I'm probably going to sell that one to step up to an IOR 3.5-18x50mm here soon.
Like i said, it all depends on your needs for what you will be doing. Some people like heavy no contour barreles that weigh 30lbs and are 30in long, other prefer lighter contour fluted short barreled rifles.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Blackside</div><div class="ubbcode-body">See..im in limbo of the long / short.. and what model scope was that Crazy? </div></div> My first one was on a version of the MK12 Mod0(AR) and it was spec to the build as a 3.5–10×40mm LR M3, the second one i have now is a 4.5-14x50mm(i think it's 50). I'm probably going to sell that one to step up to an IOR 3.5-18x50mm here soon.
Like i said, it all depends on your needs for what you will be doing. Some people like heavy no contour barreles that weigh 30lbs and are 30in long, other prefer lighter contour fluted short barreled rifles.
Re: In NEED of advise...
I am trying to make the same decision. I'm leaning toward the R5 and either leaving it at 24" or cutting to 22". I will be getting it threaded for suppressor in the future. Is 2" really going to make that big of a difference either way in weight, accuracy, or velocity? Shouldn't twist rate also play part in making the decision as far as bullet weight and distance of shooting? Some are 1/10, 1/11.25, and 1/12 if you are talking factory Remmy's. What would be the major differences with barrel length and twist rates?
I am trying to make the same decision. I'm leaning toward the R5 and either leaving it at 24" or cutting to 22". I will be getting it threaded for suppressor in the future. Is 2" really going to make that big of a difference either way in weight, accuracy, or velocity? Shouldn't twist rate also play part in making the decision as far as bullet weight and distance of shooting? Some are 1/10, 1/11.25, and 1/12 if you are talking factory Remmy's. What would be the major differences with barrel length and twist rates?
Re: In NEED of advise...
Thanks again everyone!..i think im going to go for 20"-22" heavy barrel aac. think it will be easier to move around with and its already threaded if i go with a suppressor set up. Reason im asking all the questions is so that i can have a good package from advise from people that truely know the "sniper" style rifles.The gun will be mainly for my collection, but when i go to the range i wanted it to be able to do its job. im wanting a nice group at 500-600 yards. Any other advise is more than welcomed! Need help with Color, (Was thinking of ODgreen or black) Bi-Pod, mono-pod..mounts scope, etc..thanks again for all the advise!!!
Thanks again everyone!..i think im going to go for 20"-22" heavy barrel aac. think it will be easier to move around with and its already threaded if i go with a suppressor set up. Reason im asking all the questions is so that i can have a good package from advise from people that truely know the "sniper" style rifles.The gun will be mainly for my collection, but when i go to the range i wanted it to be able to do its job. im wanting a nice group at 500-600 yards. Any other advise is more than welcomed! Need help with Color, (Was thinking of ODgreen or black) Bi-Pod, mono-pod..mounts scope, etc..thanks again for all the advise!!!
Re: In NEED of advise...
I would look at the rem 5R in the for sale section with the 1.5 AICS.
Might fit your needs???
I would look at the rem 5R in the for sale section with the 1.5 AICS.
Might fit your needs???
Re: In NEED of advise...
I guess I've read your post and you said you don't have a lot of money. What are you looking to spend on this build? from what I've read people are saying a 5r or some other rifle which starts you off at $800 for rifle $800 for stock and scope is $1400 with NF. Your at 3k right there. Is this over or under your budget? You haven't even hit the fact of trigger, sling, bipod, camouflage, and whatever else you wanted. If you gave people an estimate on how much you're willing to spend they will be able to give you a rifle build that will suit your likings.
I guess I've read your post and you said you don't have a lot of money. What are you looking to spend on this build? from what I've read people are saying a 5r or some other rifle which starts you off at $800 for rifle $800 for stock and scope is $1400 with NF. Your at 3k right there. Is this over or under your budget? You haven't even hit the fact of trigger, sling, bipod, camouflage, and whatever else you wanted. If you gave people an estimate on how much you're willing to spend they will be able to give you a rifle build that will suit your likings.
Re: In NEED of advise...
$3-3500 should do it. This isnt going to be a fast build, im mainly trying to find out the remington model to use first..then go from there with the rest. like i was saying yesterday...i know the stock, just needed opinions for barrel / length. Would like to go up to 1k yrds, and a tack driver at 5-600..it seems 50% say 26" and 50% say 20"
$3-3500 should do it. This isnt going to be a fast build, im mainly trying to find out the remington model to use first..then go from there with the rest. like i was saying yesterday...i know the stock, just needed opinions for barrel / length. Would like to go up to 1k yrds, and a tack driver at 5-600..it seems 50% say 26" and 50% say 20"
Re: In NEED of advise...
Again dont go whit 26" barrel if you want to use it for something else then prone/bench shooting.
For bipod: http://www.accu-shot.com/atlas_bipod.html
Or AI Bipod with quick release spigot. Ai bipods are heavy but pretty much the best for winter time use.
Base: Nf or badger. There might be some other gtg bases as well but i know that these two are gtg. Just make sure that your base has recoil stop.
Sling: Tab (learn to use it!)
Scope: Mil/Mil! USO,NF,SS or maybe Vortex?
Rings: Badger,Nf,Spurh. There is some gtg rings as well but these should work just fine.
Trigger: Pre-2006 Remington trigger is my favorite. You want your gun to go bang only/alway when you press the trigger. Some "match triggers" just wont work that well in outdoors.
Color: Od or flat dark earth. Black is so last season
No need for monopod use rear bag if you must.
Again dont go whit 26" barrel if you want to use it for something else then prone/bench shooting.
For bipod: http://www.accu-shot.com/atlas_bipod.html
Or AI Bipod with quick release spigot. Ai bipods are heavy but pretty much the best for winter time use.
Base: Nf or badger. There might be some other gtg bases as well but i know that these two are gtg. Just make sure that your base has recoil stop.
Sling: Tab (learn to use it!)
Scope: Mil/Mil! USO,NF,SS or maybe Vortex?
Rings: Badger,Nf,Spurh. There is some gtg rings as well but these should work just fine.
Trigger: Pre-2006 Remington trigger is my favorite. You want your gun to go bang only/alway when you press the trigger. Some "match triggers" just wont work that well in outdoors.
Color: Od or flat dark earth. Black is so last season
No need for monopod use rear bag if you must.
Similar threads
