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    For those interested, QSC will be holding monthly PRS matches. Our first was this past Saturday on Range 4, the 1,000y range. We had firing lines at the 800 and 1,000 yard lines, each with 5 stages. Despite the rain and cold, we had a full match with a waitlist!

    Overall, we (Quantico Shooting Club) felt the match was a huge success. The match was challenging, we had overwhelmingly positive responses from the shooters and we now have a local PRS match for those who used to have to drive hours to shoot.

    We had Marines out with their A6 and A4s, and a variety of gas and bolt guns on the line (distinct mention to the 300WM shooter - ouch). A special thanks to Team AI who came out in force (and with the new AT-X), the local pro and semi-pro shooters and all those who took the time to shoot, mentor, coach and make this first event not only fun, but a value to the shooting community!
     

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    Some more pics.

    And a couple vids:



     

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    As far as I know it’s really the only one. No place to really get out to 1000 other than QSC as well

    QSC is slightly farther away than Peacemaker for me. But, I haven't seen any matches announced at Peacemaker yet, so looks like QSC is the option for now. Hopefully Peacemaker gets its act together and offers some matches this year.

    MDPRS also hosts matches at a range above Frederick, MD.

    Definitely a plus to have another quality option in the area.
     

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    QSC is slightly farther away than Peacemaker for me. But, I haven't seen any matches announced at Peacemaker yet, so looks like QSC is the option for now. Hopefully Peacemaker gets its act together and offers some matches this year.

    MDPRS also hosts matches at a range above Frederick, MD.

    Definitely a plus to have another quality option in the area.
    We're planning matches for the last Saturday of each month. We may have to move the schedule once and a while, but that's the plan for now. Practiscore registration for the next match opens the 5th. We also want to keep the costs down, hoping to stay at $50.
     
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    For those interested, QSC will be holding monthly PRS matches. Our first was this past Saturday on Range 4, the 1,000y range. We had firing lines at the 800 and 1,000 yard lines, each with 5 stages. Despite the rain and cold, we had a full match with a waitlist!

    Overall, we (Quantico Shooting Club) felt the match was a huge success. The match was challenging, we had overwhelmingly positive responses from the shooters and we now have a local PRS match for those who used to have to drive hours to shoot.

    We had marines out with their A6 and A4s, and a variety of gas and bolt guns on the line (distinct mention to the 300WM shooter - ouch). A special thanks to Team AI who came out in force (and with the new AT-X) the local pro and semi-pro shooters and all those who took the time to shoot, mentor, coach and make this first event not only fun, but a value to the shooting community!
    I'm kind of an older fella, was an avid shotgun competitor (clay targets), but have transitioned to shooting rifles over the last 18 months.

    I doubt that at my age and condition I could shoot a PRS comp, but I don't really know as I have never observed one.

    Can a civilian (USAF vet but that was long ago) get on base and onto the range to just observe during your next PRS comp?

    What does it take to get on base if you are not registered to shoot the comp?

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    I'm kind of an older fella, was an avid shotgun competitor (clay targets), but have transitioned to shooting rifles over the last 18 months.

    I doubt that at my age and condition I could shoot a PRS comp, but I don't really know as I have never observed one.

    Can a civilian (USAF vet but that was long ago) get on base and onto the range to just observe during your next PRS comp?

    What does it take to get on base if you are not registered to shoot the comp?

    Thanks
    I'm 64 and have the same concerns. Our PRS matches will not be movement centric or running an obstacle course before you take your position and your shots.

    Range 4 is 150y wide, but it's still a square range with left and right limits. As such, we design the courses of fire to accommodate the range limits. You may have to take 5-6 steps from the start line to a shooting position, but the dynamic is positional shooting. You need to build a stable position to remain on target, be able to spot your shots to make adjustments, manage your trigger to score hits and of course, know your rifle, ammo and DOPE.

    Those without a current DoD affiliation or the proper entry credentials cannot access Marine Corps Base Quantico. On the day of a match, we have already provided entry lists to the visitor's center and gates so our competitors can enter MCBQ. We also have people ready to escort competitors if something goes aryne.

    Part of the complex we utilize. Apology in advance for any triggering of former Marines this pic may cause. :)
     

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    Those without a current DoD affiliation or the proper entry credentials cannot access Marine Corps Base Quantico. On the day of a match, we have already provided entry lists to the visitor's center and gates so our competitors can enter MCBQ.
    Ah, that's kind of what I thought....not DOD nor on the competitors list then no entry. Damn, its almost worth paying the fee just to get on the entry list and see what's what with this competition.

    How much are fees?
     

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    Ah, that's kind of what I thought....not DOD nor on the competitors list then no entry. Damn, its almost worth paying the fee just to get on the entry list and see what's what with this competition.

    How much are fees?

    Why don't you just pay and shoot?

    If their match is like the few PRS club matches I've been to, you will get all the help you'll need to get your bearings and navigate through the day.
     
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    Why don't you just pay and shoot?

    If their match is like the few PRS club matches I've been to, you will get all the help you'll need to get your bearings and navigate through the day.
    Hello my friend....that well may be the thing to do. I have no idea even where to start aside from show up with gun, ammo, and a couple of bags. But I have heard the same many times...that is, competitors, MD's, RO's, are more than willing to help the new person.

    I really would kind of like to give it a try. I can't kneel by sitting on one foot (like a common NRA high power kneel) cause my knees just won't do it. But what I saw in the vids on the tank trap and floating platform seem doable to me.

    Thanks for taking the time to reply.
     

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    Hello my friend....that well may be the thing to do. I have no idea even where to start aside from show up with gun, ammo, and a couple of bags. But I have heard the same many times...that is, competitors, MD's, RO's, are more than willing to help the new person.

    I really would kind of like to give it a try. I can't kneel by sitting on one foot (like a common NRA high power kneel) cause my knees just won't do it. But what I saw in the vids on the tank trap and floating platform seem doable to me.

    Thanks for taking the time to reply.

    Showing up with rifle, ammo, and dope is really all there is to it. Just tell them this is your first rodeo when you register at arrival.

    The good thing about this kind of positional shooting is that you have much more freedom to build your shooting position than you do in the traditional sense.
     
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    Fees are $50.

    We will do everything possible to assist new shooters or those who need assistance. We want the match to be competitive, but to remain fun. The point is to draw more people to the shooting sports, not drive them away with a-hole shitake. And on that point, we've spent the last year kicking the clowns out of the treehouse. There were too many self-proclaimed experts, a-holes, Fudds, etc., who were comfortable trying to run the club like it was 1968, and as their personal playground, no mas. We gained 300 new members last year, so I'll take that as affirmation quality and professionalism are appreciated. /Rant Off

    Okay, back to the point, I've included additional stage pictures as almost each stage requires 2 - 5 different positions. You have to attain 10 hits, across those positions in the allotted time, which is 90 or so seconds (more on some more complicated stages). I'm not trying to dissuade you, but you should look up PRS and understand the rules, the pace of the event, how you squad with other shooters, etc., etc. I do not suggest you simply show up to shoot without doing some homework, because you'll slow the squads and event. ;)
     

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    The shooters will go out of their way to try and mentor other shooters. The AI Team was all over that giving advice to other shooters.

    Included is a pic of Matt Gervais from Team AI helping another shooter with advice on how to better his position and feedback on his stage performance. That's exactly how we want our matches to be: fun, informative and affordable. :)

    Picture of me shooting the AT-X. Geeezus I look old, AI photog told me to take off my hat, note to self, don't do that.
     

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    And on that point, we've spent the last year kicking the clowns out of the treehouse. There were too many self-proclaimed experts, a-holes, Fudds, etc., who were comfortable trying to run the club like it was 1968, and as their personal playground, no mas.

    That is awesome. I had read/heard second hand accounts about the former ruling clique.
     
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    shot uspsa there a handful of times. quantico shooting club had a form to fill out and zap back and then the base vetted you. they (at the entrance) scanned in my DL a couple of times but most times i just told them i was there for a match and they waived me through.

    sounds like that's not needed for their prs matches, just register and they will provide the list to the gate.

    not that they ever checked but i believe the rule is no loaded mags (or guns) on base.

    as noted above with nothing on peacemaker's schedule, at least as of now, i'll have to try a couple of these.

    were the targets all against the back berm (ie were all the shots at either 800 or 1k)?
     

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    shot uspsa there a handful of times. quantico shooting club had a form to fill out and zap back and then the base vetted you. they (at the entrance) scanned in my DL a couple of times but most times i just told them i was there for a match and they waived me through.

    sounds like that's not needed for their prs matches, just register and they will provide the list to the gate.

    not that they ever checked but i believe the rule is no loaded mags (or guns) on base.

    as noted above with nothing on peacemaker's schedule, at least as of now, i'll have to try a couple of these.

    were the targets all against the back berm (ie were all the shots at either 800 or 1k)?
    Our PRS MD has been the MD for USPSA for the last year - he's really upped the professionalism and quality of those matches - you should come out and shoot one.

    QSC can "sponsor" non-military affiliated people for long-term entry using the DBIDS process. You fill out a vetting form and they will issue you a card good for weekend access (which is when the club is open) for 3 years. The shootings on bases have changed access control.

    The targets were not on the back berm, they were at various distances from the 300 yard line forward. There were 5 stages shot from the 800y line and 5 from the 1,000.
     

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    Our PRS MD has been the MD for USPSA for the last year - he's really upped the professionalism and quality of those matches - you should come out and shoot one.

    QSC can "sponsor" non-military affiliated people for long-term entry using the DBIDS process. You fill out a vetting form and they will issue you a card good for weekend access (which is when the club is open) for 3 years. The shootings on bases have changed access control.

    The targets were not on the back berm, they were at various distances from the 300 yard line forward. There were 5 stages shot from the 800y line and 5 from the 1,000.

    I can definitely vouch for the professionalism. This is my fourth season shooting PRS matches. I've seen well run and not well run matches.

    QSC did a great job all around. To illustrate one item that was great was the match book sent out. I have never seen one before that included pictures of the stages and targets. It was great!

    All of us competitors are more than willing to help any new shooters out whether it's advice, borrowing gear, or strategy on engaging a stage.

    Definitely sign up and come on out!
     

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    I can definitely vouch for the professionalism. This is my fourth season shooting PRS matches. I've seen well run and not well run matches.

    QSC did a great job all around. To illustrate one item that was great was the match book sent out. I have never seen one before that included pictures of the stages and targets. It was great!

    All of us competitors are more than willing to help any new shooters out whether it's advice, borrowing gear, or strategy on engaging a stage.

    Definitely sign up and come on out!
    What were you shooting? I may have taken some pictures of you if you want them.
     

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    I'm not trying to dissuade you, but you should look up PRS and understand the rules, the pace of the event, how you squad with other shooters, etc., etc. I do not suggest you simply show up to shoot without doing some homework, because you'll slow the squads and event.
    Yes, this was my fear and why I wanted to observe a PRS match and see if it was something I could do. Its not just rules, but as you said you need to be able to be able to reasonably briskly shoot the stage.

    As a long time skeet shooter, I have plenty of experience with them putting a brand new shooter onto our established squad (if we didn't have a full five) and it being torture to try to finish the event in anything like reasonable time. Now, as with you folks, we wanted to encourage new shooters.

    But late squads not only killed the pace of shooting but it also put the entire shoot behind and made the shoot-offs be delayed (waiting for the one very slow squad).

    I'll give it some more thought but perhaps I do still want to observe a PRS shoot somewhere....just not Quantico because of access restrictions.
     
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    Yes, this was my fear and why I wanted to observe a PRS match and see if it was something I could do. Its not just rules, but as you said you need to be able to be able to reasonably briskly shoot the stage.

    As a long time skeet shooter, I have plenty of experience with them putting a brand new shooter onto our established squad (if we didn't have a full five) and it being torture to try to finish the event in anything like reasonable time. Now, as with you folks, we wanted to encourage new shooters.

    But late squads not only killed the pace of shooting but it also put the entire shoot behind and made the shoot-offs be delayed (waiting for the one very slow squad).

    I'll give it some more thought but perhaps I do still want to observe a PRS shoot somewhere....just not Quantico because of access restrictions.
    If you decide to come out, let me know and I can always meet you at the gate and escort you in.
     
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    dude, it's only fifty bucks. sign up and give it a try. at worst, if you aren't doing good and/or feel you are holding up the squad, then just stop and spectate (or run timer, spotter, etc). get there an hour early, let them know you're the new guy and you'll have no shortage of folks trying to get you up to speed quick. you'll need to have an actual chrono for your load and drop that and relevant data (bullet weight, ballistic coefficient, etc) in a ballistics program to get you your theoretical drops out to 1000 yds. preferably in 25 if not down to 5 yd increments. print it out and bring it with you, or get an app for your phone ($10 for the 'shooter' app is what i use). make sure you know how to hold and also to dial on your scope. generally you'll dial for the first target, let's say 750 yds, before you come to the line. then you'll hold for the other targets in that stage, for example 700, 800, etc after you hit that first target. you don't even need to have/bring any gear. most everyone will be happy to loan you their bags etc. i haven't met anyone yet at any match that was happy they just spectated, nor anyone that was pissed they brought their gear and jumped in.
     

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    dude, it's only fifty bucks. sign up and give it a try. at worst, if you aren't doing good and/or feel you are holding up the squad, then just stop and spectate (or run timer, spotter, etc).

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    another option for baron and others is this, a fun belly match at peacemaker. can be a work-up to a prs match. five stages, five targets per stage at varying distances, three tries at each target. so no positional shooting, all prone. but a good opportunity to get some dialing and holding over practice, and get/confirm dope for your rifle. generally after the match some folks hang around for a little bit and can practice off the various barricades/props.

    i'm def signing up for the quantico prs match though (and am signed up for the LRC match too).
     

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    another option for baron and others is this, a fun belly match at peacemaker. can be a work-up to a prs match. five stages, five targets per stage at varying distances, three tries at each target. so no positional shooting, all prone. but a good opportunity to get some dialing and holding over practice, and get/confirm dope for your rifle. generally after the match some folks hang around for a little bit and can practice off the various barricades/props.

    i'm def signing up for the quantico prs match though (and am signed up for the LRC match too).
    We are actually testing a belly concept this Sunday on R4. We're going to place targets at 300y and forward to test sight lines and shooting "corridors" as we're limited to the right range limit when we do something like this during normal club operations.

    As a reminder, registration for the next match opens tomorrow. I think there's a War Rifles match in PA on the same day, so it will be interesting to see how signups go.
     
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    another option for baron and others is this, a fun belly match at peacemaker. can be a work-up to a prs match. five stages, five targets per stage at varying distances, three tries at each target. so no positional shooting, all prone. but a good opportunity to get some dialing and holding over practice, and get/confirm dope for your rifle. generally after the match some folks hang around for a little bit and can practice off the various barricades/props.

    i'm def signing up for the quantico prs match though (and am signed up for the LRC match too).

    I shot PNTC's belly matches for a year before I signed up for my first PRS match. Those types of matches are fun, and good practice for new shooters.

    One will quickly learn, however, that you cannot practice on your belly and expect to do well at a PRS match....
     
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