Interesting read

[Gunfighter14e2]

"His research found that every fallen empire shared the same fatal traits, including top-heavy regimes dominated by elites, fueled by inequality and held together by violence."

He referred to these societies as 'Goliaths,' vast, brittle power structures built on hoarded grain, monopolized weapons and populations trapped in place with nowhere to run.

'History is best told as a story of organized crime,' Kemp said. 'It is one group creating a monopoly on resources through the use of violence over a certain territory and population.'

Civilization collapse 'inevitable' after chilling patterns are found

A researcher analyzed the rise and fall of over 400 empires. He discovered chilling patterns that look a lot like the world we're living in today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[supercorndogs]

"As the rich extract wealth and destroy the eviroment."

Who wrote that Greta...

 

[ironpony52]

Universe 25.

 

[supercorndogs]

Dr. Luke Kemp
Luke is a Senior Research Associate at the Notre Dame Institute of Advanced Study, and a Research Affiliate at the Centre for the Study of Existential Risk (CSER) and Darwin College at the University of Cambridge. His research focuses on understanding the long run history and future of extreme global risks. Luke has advised the WHO and multiple international institutions, and his work has been covered by media outlets such as the BBC, New York Times, and the New Yorker.



He holds both a Doctorate in International Relations and a Bachelor of Interdisciplinary Studies with first class honours from the Australian National University (ANU). His first book on the deep history and future of societal collapse (Goliath’s Curse) will be published with Penguin in 2025.

Peer-Reviewed Publications:

Kemp, Luke. 2018. “Mediating the Climate Crisis”, forthcoming in “Handbook on Mediating International Crises”, eds Wilkenfeld, Jon., Beardsley, Kyle., Quinn, Dave.
Kemp, Luke. 2017. “Better Out Than In”, Nature Climate Change, 7: 458–460.
Kemp Luke. 2017. “Limiting Climate Impact of the Trump Administration”, Palgrave MacMillan Communications, 3(9): 1-5.
Kemp Luke. 2017. “A Systems Critique of the Paris Climate Agreement”, in “Pathways to a Sustainable Economy- Bridging the gap between Paris climate change commitments and net zero emissions”, eds Hossain, Moazzem., Hales, Robert., and Sarker, Tapan.
Kemp, Luke. 2017. “Is the Paris Agreement Universal and Useless?”, Australian and New Zealand Society on International Law (ANZSIL), Perspective 9.
Kemp, Luke. 2016. “US-Proofing the Paris Climate Agreement”, Climate Policy, DOI 10.1080/14693062.2016.1176007
Kemp, Luke. 2016. “Book Review: Justice for Future Generations: Climate Change and International Law, by Peter Lawrence”, Climate and Carbon Law Review 10(3): 239-240.
Kemp, Luke. 2015. “Framework for the Future: Exploring the possibility of majority voting in the climate negotiations”, International Environmental Agreements, 16(5): 757-779
Kemp, Luke. 2015. “Bypassing the ‘ratification straitjacket’: reviewing US legal participation in a climate agreement”, Climate Policy 16(8): 1011-1028.
Kemp, Luke. 2014. “Realpolitik and Reform at Rio+20: The Politics of Reforming the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP).” Earth System Governance Working Paper No. 30. Lund and Amsterdam: Earth System Governance Project.
Other Publications:

Kazagalis, Alex; Ward, John; Sammon, Paul; Evans, Stuart; and Kemp, Luke. 2017. “Net Zero in New Zealand: Scenarios to achieve domestic emissions neutrality in the second half of the century”, Report prepared for Globe NZ by Vivid Economics.
Kemp, Luke. 2017. Climate Report 2017: The Private Sector and Climate Finance in G20 Countries (Australia)”, Konrad Adenauer Stiftung.
Jotzo, Frank and Kemp, Luke. 2016. “INDCs and Low-carbon Growth Strategies in Developing Asia. Asian Development Bank.
World Bank Group. 2016. “State and Trends of Carbon Pricing 2016”, prepared by Vivid Economics and Ecofys, Washington DC. (Head author of “Chapter 4: Building an international carbon market after Paris”). Page 3 of 3
Kemp, Luke and Jotzo, Frank. 2015. “Delaying mitigation would be costly for Australia”, Centre for Climate Economics and Policy for WWF-Australia.
Jotzo, Frank and Kemp, Luke. 2015. “Australia can cut emissions deeply and the cost is low”, Centre for Climate Economics and Policy for WWF-Australia.
Kemp, Luke; Sackett, Penny; Jotzo, Frank. 2015. “Sub-National Climate Policies: How does the ACT compare?”, ACT Climate Change Council, Canberra.

It's constant the sky is falling with these people unless the left is in charge.

 

[P-Squared]

I'm sensing a common viewpoint, but I can't quite put my finger on it... can I buy a vowel?

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Universe 25.

So true

 

[Maggot]

"His research found that every fallen empire shared the same fatal traits, including top-heavy regimes dominated by elites, fueled by inequality and held together by violence."

He referred to these societies as 'Goliaths,' vast, brittle power structures built on hoarded grain, monopolized weapons and populations trapped in place with nowhere to run.

'History is best told as a story of organized crime,' Kemp said. 'It is one group creating a monopoly on resources through the use of violence over a certain territory and population.'

Civilization collapse 'inevitable' after chilling patterns are found

A researcher analyzed the rise and fall of over 400 empires. He discovered chilling patterns that look a lot like the world we're living in today.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Welcome to Human Nature 101.

 

[W54/XM-388]

'History is best told as a story of organized crime,' Kemp said. 'It is one group creating a monopoly on resources through the use of violence over a certain territory and population.'

Yep, it's pretty much been that way all of human history.

That is what pushed human expansion across the planet, folks either trying to find some where to escape the tyranny of the "governments" or the "governments" trying to find some new place to dominate.

There was this old saying about "Freedom only exists on the Frontier"

The problem is the world has gotten so crowded there isn't much of a frontier left.

Perhaps after the collapse and whatever, if humans start being intelligent some might actually start working on how to properly get into space and travel instead of spending all their time killing and trying not to be killed and then once again there will be a vast frontier for freedom of space.

Or maybe humans will blow up everything here and whoever survives 20 years later, will find most of the planet once again an empty frontier to do as they wish.

 

[Fig]

When you start with a whole bunch of false premises your conclusions will be exponentially more false.

His inputs and theories are the opposite of Behavioral Sinks. It is not physical. It's cultural, and his premises are all false. Universe 25 offers a hundred times more insight that this idiot. It basically demonstrates why man needs struggle, and why trying to create "utopia" (as Kemp and all leftists have as their objective) IS dystopia. He thinks societies fall because of the basket of ills that all the woke think is wrong with us, when Universe 25 teaches us that it is success and abundance that ends us.

Being a Christian is a direct or at least indirect inoculation against this. Believing we live in a fallen world and are fallen creatures as a basis for humility and acceptance of the world as it is pretty much prevent the faithful from believing in earthly utopias at all, and embracing the trials we believe God places in front of us makes us strong and worthy. This is diametrically opposed to woke theorists like Kemp who think they have the formula if only given enough power to implement it.

I do think it's interesting that he lists that the elites hoarding weapons, in typical totalitarian fashion, as one of his triggers, as I'll bet $100 he hates the 2ndA and the proliferation of weapons within American society.

I like me some Frontier...

 

[W54/XM-388]

Being a Christian is a direct or at least indirect inoculation against this. Believing we live in a fallen world and are fallen creatures as a basis for humility and acceptance of the world as it is pretty much prevent the faithful from believing in earthly utopias at all,

And yet, many time throughout history, various Christian groups tried their best to create their own little Utopias and it kind of always wound up the same.
Jews, Communists, Atheists and others of all various beliefs have also tried versions small or large and had similar failures.

Something interesting however is folks like to talk about "Utopian" and may not have read the book that coined that phrase.
In that book, "Utopia" wasn't exactly very "Utopian" it was a society built on slavery and domination with a nice window dressing of communism over the top. The guy who wrote it kind of sounded a bit like someone who read Marx too much and never saw it in action.

 

[Maggot]

There was this old saying about "Freedom only exists on the Frontier"

The problem is the world has gotten so crowded there isn't much of a frontier left.

 

[Maggot]

Being a Christian is a direct or at least indirect inoculation against this.

Pretty much how I see it, but I think over all not a whole lot embrace that. This worldis jsut an annoying stop at the beginning of a long journey.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Yep, it's pretty much been that way all of human history.

Humans, or scumbag gaming types? I wish we had mother natures vs so called mans rules, across the board,...

 

[lash]

And yet, many time throughout history, various Christian groups tried their best to create their own little Utopias and it kind of always wound up the same.
Jews, Communists, Atheists and others of all various beliefs have also tried versions small or large and had similar failures.

Something interesting however is folks like to talk about "Utopian" and may not have read the book that coined that phrase.
In that book, "Utopia" wasn't exactly very "Utopian" it was a society built on slavery and domination with a nice window dressing of communism over the top. The guy who wrote it kind of sounded a bit like someone who read Marx too much and never saw it in action.

See, that’s exactly how the woke see things. Too many still believe in “the people’s” revolution without thought to how that creates just another domination hierarchy.

 

[Fig]

And yet, many time throughout history, various Christian groups tried their best to create their own little Utopias and it kind of always wound up the same.
Jews, Communists, Atheists and others of all various beliefs have also tried versions small or large and had similar failures.

Something interesting however is folks like to talk about "Utopian" and may not have read the book that coined that phrase.
In that book, "Utopia" wasn't exactly very "Utopian" it was a society built on slavery and domination with a nice window dressing of communism over the top. The guy who wrote it kind of sounded a bit like someone who read Marx too much and never saw it in action.

"The Giver" has always been the penultimate utopia as dystopia book for me. The only way it could even conceivably work is if everyone was on heavy, behavioral altering drugs.