Rifle Scopes  Ior recon 4-28x50..... reviews? Probs?

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Never heard of this scope prior to today. Looking for a 3-30 ish ffp scope with LOTS of low magnification f.o.v. for hunting.

Never heard of this scope prior to today. I've looked back to see if people had problems and like 7 years ago seemed like they did.



I currently have a nightforce nx8 and I love it, just looking to see what else is available
 
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Dude

Do a search on here.
Read.

They track like crap.
Owner of the company (Val) apparently treats customers like crap when the junk breaks.

And yes, lot if fun making fun of them around here.
 
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Excellent scope
Done trolls on here try to discount it but there are some great reviews on YouTube who raves about them.

Biggest question is MOA or Mils?
There's good reason for both, many preferring MOA as it's more in line with the American standard units.
May be a good idea to start a thread on it to start some healthy debate
 

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    DISCLAIMER: I do not and did not post this video because I think this scope is at all quality. I posted it being a smart ass.

    Who this guy.

    I mean doing a nipple twister proves it’s not junk right? I am being sarcastic. I’ve been around long enough to know they are junk.
     
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    People in the hide have issues with any questions regarding IOR. So stay calm when they start.
    I have a IOR recon and I really like it for a couple of reasons. Very good glass, thick reticle that is usable at low magnification. I like the turrets and found it to be a reliable tracking scope.
    I dont know what your paying for them in the US but up here you are $2700‐2800. A Razor gen 2 is $3000. A Minox LR is $2700. Personal I will take the IOR over the razor as glass and turrets are nicer and Personally dont like the ebr7 reticle. The Minox LR has better glass then both the Razor and IOR and I prefer the turrets over both other then the second rev indicator.
    IOR has a history of slow response with warranty I had one Recon fog internally going from -25⁰c to +20⁰c I was 2 months waiting on the replacement. I have sent Vortex back for warranty and have a Minox that is going back so before anyone starts yelling they ALL can fail.
    They all have strong points for hunting I rate the IOR and Minox LR as my pick with the IOR slightly ahead. But If low light proformance is a concern the Minox is slightly better.
     
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    Man, 40 posts to ask about the perfect 3-30. Then asking about other portions of the scope just trying to “learn”. Then, magically, after never hearing about it before today, you find the exact perfect example of everything you are looking for.

    Wow. This is magical and you should be so excited. Buy one immediately and then end this thread. Come back in 30 days or so and give us your amazing and completely unbiased review. I’ll be the next in line to get one along with hundreds of others here!! You’ve basically dethroned ZCO and TT already. Well done.
     
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    i Though I noticed that also. But he goes on to rave how great and repeatable it is
    He's now a shill like rex. I saw rex take off an IOR and put a PMII on his gun before doing some ELR shooting even though the selling point on the IOR is more travel and better glass than the PMII.
     
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    He's now a shill like rex. I saw rex take off an IOR and put a PMII on his gun before doing some ELR shooting even though the selling point on the IOR is more travel and better glass than the PMII.
    like I stated before I know they are junk. I was just being a smart ass posting that video
     

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    like I stated before I know they are junk. I was just being a smart ass posting that video
    I know, I am just putting it all there so the OP can make his mind up and hopefully get a better optic.
     

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    Being the curious type. Out of the 9 that have jumped on this thread to say nothing how many of you have use a IOR let alone a IOR Recon? Or is this simular to a 16" barrel is the optimum length for 22lr discussion?
     

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    Did you just see the other IOR thread that went on and on. I’ve never shot or looked through one. I’ve know for a long time do Not buy they are crappy. its your money you’re loss you’ve been warned.
     

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    i Though I noticed that also. But he goes on to rave how great and repeatable it is
    I noticed in a couple of the IOR videos now the different issues you can see if you pay attention. Clearly doesn't track the best in the box test, or the twister test. In another one. The turret markings don't line up throughout the revolution and the reviewer even clicks it back and forth trying to get it to line up. Something you would expect out of a 500 dollar optic, not "Alpha level" scopes.
     
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    Being the curious type. Out of the 9 that have jumped on this thread to say nothing how many of you have use a IOR let alone a IOR Recon? Or is this simular to a 16" barrel is the optimum length for 22lr discussion?

    Nailed it.
    Most here are just jumping on the "I hate IOR" bandwagon.

    Those operators who have actually used IOR scopes know how good they are, it's just internet experts who are hating on IOR.
     

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    Being the curious type. Out of the 9 that have jumped on this thread to say nothing how many of you have use a IOR let alone a IOR Recon? Or is this simular to a 16" barrel is the optimum length for 22lr discussion?
    No need for me to waste my money on it. In the video that proclaims it’s so good it doesn’t return to zero and has horrible CA, I know some of that is the camera. Then there’s this 64E8A5F3-E2DA-401E-92F1-2E3A457B57EA.jpeg
     
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    Did you just see the other IOR thread that went on and on. I’ve never shot or looked through one. I’ve know for a long time do Not buy they are crappy. its your money you’re loss you’ve been warned.
    I killed myself laughing a few time going through that one! 🤣🤣
    I'm probably the odd guy out here I couldnt care less on brands it mean little to me. We probably all know guys that move from S&B because of mechanical failure does that mean they are all bad?
    I do think some of these guys walk into the IOR discussion innocent. None leave innocent...
    I dont agree with just passing info that you read somewhere. What about real experience? All youtube vids have to be taken with a grain of salt.... or a bucket.....
     

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    No need for me to waste my money on it. In the video that proclaims it’s so good it doesn’t return to zero and has horrible CA, I know some of that is the camera. Then there’s this View attachment 7466427
    I am aware of Franks results. That is a older IOR and not a Recon. That is simular to taking 1 hide member and painting all with the same brush. But I cant argue it was almost as bad as the mark 5.
     

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    Nailed it.
    Most here are just jumping on the "I hate IOR" bandwagon.

    Those operators who have actually used IOR scopes know how good they are, it's just internet experts who are hating on IOR.
    Pushing Bender hard for that biggest troll on Snipershide award lately I see.
     
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    I am aware of Franks results. That is a older IOR and not a Recon. That is simular to taking 1 hide member and painting all with the same brush. But I cant argue it was almost as bad as the mark 5.
    Yes you are correct, all the hate here for Valbabla is based on one bad scope.... WTF?

    IOR has a long and storied history of tracking issues and non existent customer service here in the US. Perhaps customer service in Europe is better. Val is by all accounts very responsive in taking your money and almost unreachable to provide warranty service.

    On the plus side you have a multi thousand dollar spotting scope you can mount to a rifle. It has Schott glass!

    If you do a little research on your own you can see what serious competitors are using. There is a reason for the lack of information and positive reviews for IOR.
     

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    Yes you are correct, all the hate here for Valbabla is based on one bad scope.... WTF?

    IOR has a long and storied history of tracking issues and non existent customer service here in the US. Perhaps customer service in Europe is better. Val is by all accounts very responsive in taking your money and almost unreachable to provide warranty service.

    On the plus side you have a multi thousand dollar spotting scope you can mount to a rifle. It has Schott glass!

    If you do a little research on your own you can see what serious competitors are using. There is a reason for the lack of information and positive reviews for IOR.
    I understand the issues with the importer you have down there. So that becomes a non-issue up here. I happen to have had three IOR one failed and was replaced under warranty. They are not the "worlds best" scope but they are also not as junk as you like to believe. I rate the IOR high for certain use cases and other optics as better for other use cases. What brand something is doesnt do anything for me i buy and use products based on proformance and features for a specific use. There are better options for a PRS environment then a IOR but a ideal PRS option generally is not ideal in a hunting environment. They will work well but you have options that are better. If we take the S&B for example for a PRS use they have been behind in reticle design yes they are "catching up" but for real world use other factors become more important. Does that make a S&B not work for PRS no but in a hunting scenario i would rather the thicker S&B reticle over most very thin competition reticles.
     
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    I had one years ago. So long ago I don’t remember why I got rid of it but I do remember I Kept it less then a week. Clearly wasn’t impressed.
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    Never heard of this scope prior to today. Why is that so dam hard to realize everyone is ignorant of something. I don't live on this site, so for those over sensitive, thin skinned girls that are ranting because their on their periods, go eat a Dick! Some of you that are helpful, thanks. I wasn't sent to start shit. I help people when I can. Been reloading for years and help others that could use it, not bash them for their ignorance
     

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    had one, it was fine. They aren't on my radar today because of 3 reasons:
    1) too many folks who's opinion I respect counteract and override all of the positive press on the brand as a whole. the few vocal supporters sound more and more like shills.
    2) if they were as competitive as some claim they would be represented in national PRS/NLS where people compete with huge personal budgets
    2a) why don't retailers like Eurooptic, NY Camera Land, Mile High, Liberty Optics, etc sell them? (Look at how many top tier retailers have picked up brands like Tangent, ZCO, and Athlon as they have proven themselves)
    3) I think their are priced aim well above their quality level, at least in the USA
    example: IOR 1-10 $2700 which is at or above the ATACR 1-8 & Razor 3
    example 2: IOR Recon G2 is $2800, which is the same or even higher than similarly specced models from Nightforce, Burris, Vortex, Leupold, Steiner, etc.
     
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    I’ve had more IORs than most. And my bro and I have seen ones that work and plenty of em brake. 2-10s, fixed 10x, 16x, 6-24, 3-18s, you name it. And we’ve seen decent CS At times to dumbass fucktardedry.
    I know LOW makes the new G2. At over twice the cost of two Athlon Cronus BTRs.
    That’s a laugh. Why waste my money or time on a chance that years of bullshit changes overnite by moving production to LOW. I know you are new but the search function is your friend. If I haven’t seen a 100 what if IOR threads I haven’t seen one, and I’m sure Lowlight Has had to endure them all. Just spend your hard earned money on something else. You’ll be happier in the long run if you learn from our mistakes And not have to lose your own. And if you do buy one, don’t plan on reselling it. You’ll lose your ass. You know, if it was sitting on the prize table for free, and on the other side was a coupon for a bj from a tranny, I might take the coupon.
     

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    had one, it was fine. They aren't on my radar today because of 3 reasons:
    1) too many folks who's opinion I respect counteract and override all of the positive press on the brand as a whole. the few vocal supporters sound more and more like shills.
    2) if they were as competitive as some claim they would be represented in national PRS/NLS where people compete with huge personal budgets
    2a) why don't retailers like Eurooptic, NY Camera Land, Mile High, Liberty Optics, etc sell them? (Look at how many top tier retailers have picked up brands like Tangent, ZCO, and Athlon as they have proven themselves)
    3) I think their are priced aim well above their quality level, at least in the USA
    example: IOR 1-10 $2700 which is at or above the ATACR 1-8 & Razor 3
    example 2: IOR Recon G2 is $2800, which is the same or even higher than similarly specced models from Nightforce, Burris, Vortex, Leupold, Steiner, etc.
    Well said.
    I use one to compete with but I feel for competition there are better reticle options for the christmas tree. In my mind this is better suited to hunting but having said that the thick ret is something i do like when ever there is a stage i wish to run at less then 8x. I'm currently trying different scopes out see where I land. Maybe Ill stick with IOR maybe not all depends on how i like the other options.

    I understand dealing with them can be frusterating for dealers so why carry them in your store when we have so many other good options.

    Yes your prices are higher.
     

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    I’ve had more IORs than most. And my bro and I have seen ones that work and plenty of em brake. 2-10s, fixed 10x, 16x, 6-24, 3-18s, you name it. And we’ve seen decent CS At times to dumbass fucktardedry.
    I know LOW makes the new G2. At over twice the cost of two Athlon Cronus BTRs.
    That’s a laugh. Why waste my money or time on a chance that years of bullshit changes overnite by moving production to LOW. I know you are new but the search function is your friend. If I haven’t seen a 100 what if IOR threads I haven’t seen one, and I’m sure Lowlight Has had to endure them all. Just spend your hard earned money on something else. You’ll be happier in the long run if you learn from our mistakes And not have to lose your own. And if you do buy one, don’t plan on reselling it. You’ll lose your ass. You know, if it was sitting on the prize table for free, and on the other side was a coupon for a bj from a tranny, I might take the coupon.
    You brought up a very good point. Resale is pointless with IOR your cost of ownership is higher then buying most other good optics.
    This is one of the reasons I recommend new guys buy Vortex. They can sell it at a very small loss and get a "real optic" down the road.
     

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    I sense your suspicion lol. Rightly so. This optic thing becomes a hair splitting feud starting topic so fast its interesting.
    I have a Razor 4.5-27 sitting on a rifle right now trying it out. I also have a handful of other vortex optics. I like them for somethings but they are not the best in anything. Take the Razor solid does the job you dont need anything more. But if your looking at top end the glass just isnt there. But come dusk it doesnt deteriorate as quick as some others and does good. I live 45 min from Vortex canada I sent a scope in for warranty 2 days later I had the new one.
    The biggest killer for me is I do not like the ebr7 ret it does not work for me personal. Well thought out design but not for me.
    Just because I dont like something doesn't mean i won't recommend it to someone. If its a failure i wont recommend it. The same way I dont like recommending something to someone that i have no experience with. Or saying something is junk just because i read on line this or that.
     

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    Being the curious type. Out of the 9 that have jumped on this thread to say nothing how many of you have use a IOR let alone a IOR Recon? Or is this simular to a 16" barrel is the optimum length for 22lr discussion?

    I have and at it’s price point it’s junk. I’ve also used most every other optic on the market.

    I’ve also ran most every length of .22 for thousands of rounds and will talk circles around you in that area of knowledge as well.

    Anymore challenges?
     

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    I sense your suspicion lol. Rightly so. This optic thing becomes a hair splitting feud starting topic so fast its interesting.
    I have a Razor 4.5-27 sitting on a rifle right now trying it out. I also have a handful of other vortex optics. I like them for somethings but they are not the best in anything. Take the Razor solid does the job you dont need anything more. But if your looking at top end the glass just isnt there. But come dusk it doesnt deteriorate as quick as some others and does good. I live 45 min from Vortex canada I sent a scope in for warranty 2 days later I had the new one.
    The biggest killer for me is I do not like the ebr7 ret it does not work for me personal. Well thought out design but not for me.
    Just because I dont like something doesn't mean i won't recommend it to someone. If its a failure i wont recommend it. The same way I dont like recommending something to someone that i have no experience with. Or saying something is junk just because i read on line this or that.

    Not suspicious at all. Just thought your comment was comical. I’ve run Premiers, S&B’s, USO,NF, Leopold over the years. Comps and hunting. Now I run Gen II’s and a razor. The seem pretty “real” to me.
     

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    You must be the kind who needs to taste a turd to make it is, indeed, shit
    Absolutely! I enjoy testing stuff. As you well know there are alot of "rules of thumb" that under test don't hold in the real world. Now I dont have the money or the time to taste all the shit out there so there is a time and place to trust others as to what flavor it is.
     

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    I have and at it’s price point it’s junk. I’ve also used most every other optic on the market.

    I’ve also ran most every length of .22 for thousands of rounds and will talk circles around you in that area of knowledge as well.

    Anymore challenges?
    Hmm sorry if you felt challenged by my remark on 22 barrel length. But if we could have a good argument on the subject I expect I could learn alot from your experiences.
    I simply asked that to see if anyone was speaking from experience. None of the 9 who jumped on the OP at the beginning seem to have but since then a number have posted with their experience.
    I appreciate it when people post based on experience not a I heard somewhere yada yada.
     
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    Hmm sorry if you felt challenged by my remark on 22 barrel length. But if we could have a good argument on the subject I expect I could learn alot from your experiences.
    I simply asked that to see if anyone was speaking from experience. None of the 9 who jumped on the OP at the beginning seem to have but since then a number have posted with their experience.
    I appreciate it when people post based on experience not a I heard somewhere yada yada.

    To be fair, I don’t need to buy a (insert scope of choice like a diamondback) to know that it’s not going to be good.

    No need for guys to buy an IOR when they have a history of being junk. Especially when they are in the same price range as optics proven 100 times over. Even if they finally make a good optic. It’s not a good bet or investment. And it wouldn’t be a good idea to recommend them.

    I’ve never been to space. So I can’t say I’ve verified the earth is round. But I know it’s true.
     

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    Hmm sorry if you felt challenged by my remark on 22 barrel length. But if we could have a good argument on the subject I expect I could learn alot from your experiences.
    I simply asked that to see if anyone was speaking from experience. None of the 9 who jumped on the OP at the beginning seem to have but since then a number have posted with their experience.
    I appreciate it when people post based on experience not a I heard somewhere yada yada.
    I’m one of the 9. I turned off notifications because I figured this post would take up my entire feed but checked back in and see I was called out lol. In answer to your question, I’ve had three IOR’s and still have one. One of my best friends, against my advice, still currently has a Recon and is dealing with CS issues. The one I still have is the only one that worked properly. It is a blue ring version which most people won’t even be aware of what I’m talking about. It is 4-14 with a mil dot reticle and moa knobs. The glass is good but has terrible CA and tunnels at the bottom end. It has tracked well in the past, but the other two shit the bed on me so this one now lives on a .204 Ruger where I never need to run the knobs so it hopefully won’t break. It’s great on that setup as a Coyote and varmint rig. All others that I’ve dealt with were over-priced hunks of junk. I was one of the cats that had to learn the hard way early on with them. It seems that there are so many shills for this company that it pisses me off. Maybe you’re a dude that actually uses one and has a good one. If so good for you. You are in the minority.
     
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    Also, as I said in my original post, the OP’s pattern of posts here recently which led to his recent discovery of the perfect scope to fit his bill is a bit too suspicious to me. Call me cynical, but hey, I’ve been wrong before. Also, in that price range, it’s ridiculous to buy a scope with such a terrible reputation when there are so many fantastic options unless you’re just one of those folks that absolutely has to go against the grain. Either way, it’s your/his money, do with it what you will. I just feel bad for the poor honest suckers that get roped in to one of those.