Iran go boom

#353
Maggot said:
Interesting take.

I always wanted daughters, you know, look into your eyes and make you melt, Never happened and for awhile I was bitter.

Now I look at humanity, and at the future, myself included, and feel thankful. Humans should just go extinct and let it start over. Maybe thats whats about to happen, a couple countries are offering Iran the big guy. Should have left it in Israels lap.
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It’s hilarious when people are so sure you’d love kids, and it’s never people you know. Anyone who knows me knows I don’t like kids…or most adults. Obviously I’m with someone who also doesn’t like kids.

“You want to see a picture of my baby?” No…

You can like kids all day thats fine, but I don’t also have to
 
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Franko said:
As Commander in Chief President Trump is solely responsible for waging war but only Congress can declare war. This division of authority was implemented by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution.

And as there has not been a formal declaration of war against Iran, bombing Iran is an act of war and should not have been done without Congressional approval.

This behavior degrades our republic and weakens our already fragile institutions. In the end it will cost us dearly but I have no idea when the bill for this disregard for the Constitution will come due.
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When did Congress declare war on Syria? How did US ground troops find their way inside Syria under previous Presidents?
 
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"The Great Satan's bombs did nothing to our underground nuclear facility."
 
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Lightning8 said:
When did Congress declare war on Syria? How did US ground troops find their way inside Syria under previous Presidents?
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American military and paramilitary forces have been used globally for all kinds of fuckery before Mr. Trump was elected President and those same forces will continue to be used by future Presidents to stir up trouble after he is gone.

Congress should have put a stop to this kind of unconstitutional military adventurism a long, long time ago. However, Congress has let this kind of behavior continue because they get rich off the rivers of money that flow through the Military Industrial Complex but can now avoid any responsibility and blame the President if things go wrong.

Our Founding Fathers wanted the process of entering into war to be slow and deliberate, requiring the consensus of all of Congress, not just a decision made by just the leader of the Executive Branch. I am tilting at windmills here but wish we could go back to that state as I think it would be better for our Republic.
 
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culater said:
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Interesting… though I disagree with the follow-on analysis. First, it’s based on sheer speculation. It could be just as easily interpreted as “I don’t want to A. Get smoked by the IDF. B. Get shot like Khadaffi in a ditch by angry Iranians. C. You Mullahs are finished and I’m just a puppet anyway. D. All of the above.”

Interesting development if even true…

Sirhr

PS. And not sure if true…. As of this morning, the dude was all “death to America.”


So could be the whole thing is some put up job by some Blogger/news hound looking to scare everyone.
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
Interesting… though I disagree with the follow-on analysis. First, it’s based on sheer speculation. It could be just as easily interpreted as “I don’t want to A. Get smoked by the IDF. B. Get shot like Khadaffi in a ditch by angry Iranians. C. You Mullahs are finished and I’m just a puppet anyway. D. All of the above.”

Interesting development if even true…

Sirhr
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I really, really doubt the iranian president will resign.
 
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kthomas said:
Now that we have been dragged into another senseless war that we are fighting on Israel's behalf, a war that has no benefits and all downsides to the USA, I'll reiterate what I said in the other thread.

The largest threat to the USA is not China. It's not Russia. It's not North Korea or Iran. It's Israel.
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No. The largest threat is the voters...
 
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#394
sirhrmechanic said:
Well, the overriding one is a clear and present danger to our interests and our citizens.

In the mid 1998, just before the Embassy bombings, the Agency tracked Osama to a hunting camp called Tarnak Farms. They could have bombed, commando'd, snatched or put cruise missiles on him and smoked him before Al Qaeda really took off. Clinton's cabinet dithered. We ended up with 20 years of war. (yeah, yeah, I know, George Bush and the Jews knocked down the Twin Towers and Osama had nothing to do with it... I heard...)

The mission was called off because some third-tier Emirates prince had his plane parked at the airport and noone wanted to risk pissing off some Trucial State royal family by accidentally killing or traumatizing a third-rate princeling supposedly just there hunting lions. (I am sure no briefcases of cash were there whatsoever.)

If there was one (or a few dozen) things we should have learned from the last century, it's that pre-emption has its place. The problem with it is that when you preempt something, you can't go "Look what we stopped." Because "it" doesn't happen. Or something else does. And everyone says "see, your hit did no good."

As much as the political hacks on the 7th floor of Langley and the Hoover building piss me off. The organizations do know what they are doing. In addition, they work to try and make sure successes are kept quiet but allow failures to leak out. Because looking like Keystone Cops is a sure way to make sure your enemy doesn't know if you are good or not.

We will probably never know exactly how close the Mullah's were. But I am quite convinced they were close. It was an engineering problem at this point. There have been enough sources (including UN and IAEA which is anything but a shill for the US and Israel) And I posted a few weeks ago that I thought they might explode a weapon by July 1 (and some others smartly posted back that they might do their test on 9/11). Regardless. We aren't going to know how close they are. Because now they aren't close.

As for 'well China or Russia or the Norks could just give them an atom bomb' and they could use it. Not hardly. The fissionable material in such a weapon can be traced not just to the country that made it... but to which corner of a very large reactor produced it! Analysis of the fallout materials would instantly say "Chinese Weapon. Russian Weapon. Nork Weapon." Making that an act of war by one of those countries.

Last, yup, Israel may or may not have bombs. They have never tested one. If they have the several hundred that it is presumed they have... then it is unlikely that any have "American" material in them at this point. That may have been the case in the 1960's when it is 'assumed' that either the US gave them material. Or the Israeli's managed to smuggle out... something... and process it. At this point, they are in violation of saying "We neither confirm nor deny we have atomic weapons." While we all know they have them... if they haven't tested, deny they have them and noone can (or will) prove otherwise... then what do you do to them? They have not sat around and said "We will nuke anyone." Unlike the Mullah's... who have been saying since 1979 that they will get a bomb and use it.

Don't forget Saddam and Osirak, too. The Israeli's did a hell of a job ending that threat... Oh yeah, and we publically condemned the Israeli's. While the whole ME danced in quiet.

So after a night of reflection... I think we probably did the right thing. Now, if we can just sit back and avoid the urge to "Nation Build" or get into regime changing... when it is the job of the Iranian People to Regime Change and build 'back' a nation that was the most advanced in the region in 1979 when it got dialed back 700 years or so because of the Religion of Peace.

As for everyone whining about Trump and saying how bad he is... Reagan used to say "A man who is 80 percent my friend and 20 percent my enemy is still my friend." We are a very independent-minded nation and we all have opinions and worldviews and preferences and prejudices and personal goals, etc. We are NEVER going to find anyone who is 100 percent with us as President. Or Senator. Or General. Or commentator. Or, for that matter, as fellow members of Snipers Hide. And if everyone 'was' in complete agreement, the place would be really boring or we would be victims of some seriously good propaganda.

So I'll happily say that I am still sort of split on whether this was good or bad. But leaning towards the good. And even if I did decide that this was a YUGE mistake at some point... I'm still going to be in the 80 percent good camp... and support a guy who is a real tonic after 8 years of Bush, 8 years of Obama and 4 years of a drooling potato with an autopen and a whole office full of compromised commie scum.

Still waiting for the post-strike photos. Be nice to run some of our 'national technical means' that detect radiation to see how well the enriched material is buried. 300 feet of rock is not a bad radiation blocker. Of course they have a 3,000 year history over there of burrowing into tombs to loot them. So you never know... they might already have 10-year olds with picks and shovels pretending to mine Lithium digging their way to find some chunks of U235...

Well, I had extra bacon this morning. I am doing my part for America.

Sirhr
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I just wanted to bring this post to end for anyone who skipped the middle part and missed it. I think it should be sticker at the top of each page in this thread.

I see the stand with Ukraine crowd is now anti war again. 🤣🤣🤣

Same group protesting no kings were out protesting the "war" today. The media is attempting to create maximum screeching over anything. Same reason the pit and this thread is flooded with unusual faces.

Then they go on about the Scary sleeper cells. So, they know theyre here. They let them in and track them, but it's Trumps fault for bombing Iran if they do something. 🤡
 
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Darayavaus said:
you realize that we and the Jews just installed ISIS in Syria. because the jews think those terrorists are more controllable than a stable, secular elected legitimate government which protected minority rights from said terrorists.
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Yup. There are a lot of people that I’m comfortable with ending up dead. Across a far wider spectrum than many are comfortable with. Israel isn’t good. Iranian nuke program is also not good. It is a trap to fall into A vs B.
 
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  • 1995: The US implemented an embargo on trade with Iran due to concerns about its nuclear program.
  • December 2002: The US explicitly accused Iran of attempting to develop nuclear weapons.
  • 2000s: Tehran's construction of gas centrifuge enrichment facilities raised significant proliferation concerns for the US.
  • 2015: The US played a leading role in negotiating the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), also known as the Iran nuclear deal, which aimed to restrict Iran's nuclear activities.
  • May 2018: The US withdrew from the JCPOA, citing concerns about Iran's nuclear program and leading to renewed sanctions.
  • 2019 onwards: Following the US withdrawal, Iran began exceeding the limits set by the JCPOA, leading to increased US concerns about its potential to produce weapons-grade uranium.
  • Present: The US government, while assessing that Iran is not currently undertaking activities necessary to produce a testable nuclear device, remains concerned about Iran's continued enrichment and potential for a future decision to pursue nuclear weapons.
It is important to note that while the US has voiced concerns about Iran's nuclear program for decades, official US assessments indicate that Iran has not resumed a nuclear weapons program since halting it in late 2003.
 
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