Iran states they shot down plane
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Been working all day. First time I had chance to look at the news. Thought it might have been old news already.
Of course they do. Why not continue with the same talking points that the left is giving them.
Ray Charles could have seen this one coming ??
I think I just found a place that the leftists can take all their "gun control" bullshit.....
Incompetence of their equipment, the lack of not grounding all flights and them parking the damn thing next to an airport does not give them a pass. These people are fucking stupid, apparently. Funny the Iranians I know like the west and they aren’t fucking idiots. Something to be said about that. I e also heard there were some global arms dealers on this flight so perhaps it wasn’t as accidental as one may think and that someone wanted someone gone and the timing of it all provided the perfect cover.
No, after sending rockets towards us (which was the retaliation) they were so scared shitless we were going to bomb the ever loving shit out of them that they fucked up. It was an accident. It has happened many many times before.
I heard it was a soluminunininini (what the fuck ever) loyalist did it in solidarity.
This is the exact scenario I played in my head the second I heard the plane was shot down the other day. Immediately. They were shook as fuck and shot the 1st thing moving. Funny how they could hit an airliner going 300mph but couldn't hit a single building with troops in it.
A few years ago, I saw a group of middle-aged dudes in a cafe that I could not place on the world map. Tall, blue eyes, 'Greek' noses, but a language that was definitely not from anywhere North of the Mediterranean Sea. They turned out to be Iranian and very interesting, well educated folks.
I also heard recently that the Ayatollahs are hanging onto their power by a silken thread so to speak.
AA rockets have an automatic heat seeker and the ground-to-ground rockets need to be correctly programmed for their intended targets. They may also have intentionally 'missed' to avoid being wiped off the world map and the whole attack was a show of force to their own people.
Relaxxxx 2ndamendfan I was being sarcastic . Shooting down a commercial airliner wasn't an accident. It was stupidity having commercial air traffic in the air while waging jihad against the US.
The blood of these casualties is on Obama/Biden's hand's. They funded Iran by sending them billions of dollars. But nobody likes to mention that.
Wait...lemme get this straight.
Mossad shoots down a passenger jet.
They Jedi mindtrick the Iranians into taking responsibility, and for bonus points, implicate Trump as the Jedi Master that made them do it.
Those fucking evil genius Jews!
Where is Shirtrac?
Mossad shoots down a passenger jet.
They Jedi mindtrick the Iranians into taking responsibility, and for bonus points, implicate Trump as the Jedi Master that made them do it.
Those fucking evil genius Jews!
Where is Shirtrac?
Umm...SAM's are always positioned around airports. Especially if you want to keep it's runway viable and in working order.
This was some schmoe putting the 15 in auto mode. Same thing happened to us in OIF 1, when we shot down two UK Tornadoes (and I had just finished a stint with that squadron in RAF Marham, so was acquainted with those guys and their families), with a Patriot battery in auto mode (the planes were squawking the wrong IFF "modes and codes"). The fog of war is real, and stupid shit happens (that usually gets people killed).
I have worked in alot of shithole countries. Like mentioned above, there are always AA sites around the runways cause I would fly directly over them and most are easily seen. They usually have a bunker nearby where they store the launchers and/or ordinance and depending on the national threat level determines if they have them on station or in the bunkers.
Im only guessing as to the recent event, but I can completely believe that the operators at those sites were scared as fuck cause normally those AA sites are the first to be taken out. So they were probably set to Auto and the operators were not even close to those sites.
In a way, I also fault the airlines for NOT re-routing flights, or suspending all together. They had ample time to risk assess and determine that the safety of personnel and aircraft could not be guaranteed. I dont remember the time between the strike that killed salami and the aircraft was downed, but I think it was at least 24hrs.
Im only guessing as to the recent event, but I can completely believe that the operators at those sites were scared as fuck cause normally those AA sites are the first to be taken out. So they were probably set to Auto and the operators were not even close to those sites.
In a way, I also fault the airlines for NOT re-routing flights, or suspending all together. They had ample time to risk assess and determine that the safety of personnel and aircraft could not be guaranteed. I dont remember the time between the strike that killed salami and the aircraft was downed, but I think it was at least 24hrs.
Question for those in the know?
Did those missile batteries have any chance of hurting any of our aircraft had we attacked?
From my understanding we send "Wild Weasels" (or whatever the modern equivalent is) in first to take out such things. So would they have been effective? Also are Stealth aircraft even susceptible to them? Inquiring minds want to know.
PS Also Cruise missiles, are they at threat from them?
Did those missile batteries have any chance of hurting any of our aircraft had we attacked?
From my understanding we send "Wild Weasels" (or whatever the modern equivalent is) in first to take out such things. So would they have been effective? Also are Stealth aircraft even susceptible to them? Inquiring minds want to know.
PS Also Cruise missiles, are they at threat from them?
For sure. That's the point I was making. They definitely missed on purpose. They didn't want any real smoke.
No I get all that, I was pointing out the obvious. In this scenario you ground and reroute flights. That was my point. And yes stuff does happen in the fog of war but this hadnt quite escalated to that point yet, imo. Is what is it tho.
Tor is a radar-guided SAM system.
As for risk of these sites in the event of attack, yes Iran has modern integratabtle air defense systems that would pose a very real threat to aircraft...but that’s what SEAD is for.
I’d suspect a large volley of Tomahawks or JASSM-ERs would be used to soften up fixed emplacements, then if manned aircraft were necessary you’d see B2s or possibly F22s used due to mobile launcher risks.
As for risk of these sites in the event of attack, yes Iran has modern integratabtle air defense systems that would pose a very real threat to aircraft...but that’s what SEAD is for.
I’d suspect a large volley of Tomahawks or JASSM-ERs would be used to soften up fixed emplacements, then if manned aircraft were necessary you’d see B2s or possibly F22s used due to mobile launcher risks.
Yup, first thing i thought of. Lots of baseless yapping and not much else. Where is he now?
Any decent system "has a chance". The older systems have a much lower chance, the S-400's have a high probablility, especially against our 4th gen aircraft. There are rumors that some might be in Iran, since Russia finally said last year that they would sell them there, after much hesitation.
We have not advertised our tactics and countermeasures against the S400s (supposedly it involves lots of drones), nor does the public hear an accurate evaluation of their threat.
If present, the Iranian S400's are going to be an export model with decreased capabilities, manned by operators which are not up to the standard of what we would see in Russia, but they are still a formidable system. All things considered, it remains to be seen if they would be a threat to 5th gen aircraft..... but if I wanted to bet on a positive outcome in that scenario anywhere, it would be vs Iran.
