Is America worth saving? The quick reference of freedom...

[GTOJOSH]

Merry dawn of a new year, and new age to all. I'm usually the one to sit back and observe, and listen more than spout off stats, or historical points (my wife may think otherwise), but I recently got backed into a corner by my Socialist brother in law, as we all do at times and forced to have a civil(ish) discussion about my views.
I always try to maintain understanding their position, and build off common ground. But after a discussion about the banks, bailouts, debt celing, and the welfare system, he asked if I wanted to topple the whole country and start fresh.
My response was of course no, and the reqsons I still believe America is the greatest country on earth. But the more I thought about it, I Genuinely had to ask myself "is that country I love gone? If not- Can it be saved? Should it be saved with how far we've gone? Wold it be better to rebuild after it burns to the ground?"
It only took seeing my oldest boy help a neighbor moving out and reacting in service without being asked to help me remember it's still here. It's still in Dalhart whete I've lived in the past, in New Mexico, I've seen it in West Virginia and in other countless towns across the land. America is where you can give your all, and go from nothing to something when the government doesn't get in the way. If I get started, I won't stop so I'd love to hear from the other hiders-

What is our Country to you?

If the youth, and my Brother in law would actually listen- what would you tell them about what we have, and what we need.

Is there any recourse, Story, point, etc that changed your life?

For me the Story of the green Mountain boys. The 3%ers, Washington of course, and the Federalist papers.
Many of us may disagree on HOW we save it if we can, but most I believe will agree we should IF we can.

Feel free even if you're the hider from down under, The Guy from Russia, England, etc. Bono from U2 even had a great "what is America" interview at one point- it's worth the time if you haven't heard it. God bless you all this upcoming year. And God bless these United States of America. We sure need it.

 

[johnnycat]

Enjoyed the post! There seems to be many out there that are getting fed up. I see it here more than in the past and I see it out in public more and more. I get a lot of positive comments when I wear one of my "offensive" patriotic t-shirts.

@QuickNDirty had a good thread summing it all up a few weeks ago.

Yeah, I have been pondering

 

[Veer_G]

I don't think that we have a choice. I'm not leaving what my ancestors lived and died for in the course of 264 years behind, not in the hands of this generation of vapid vape shop clerks and brain-dead Communist sympathizers. Not without a fight, even if it consumes what little is left of me, will I let this happen.

No matter how, or even if we pray, we are all the stewards of that which has been left to us, and that which we will leave behind.

 

[ArmyJerry]

In a word, Yes.

 

[pmclaine]

Our Constitution is a masterfully written work that I believe to be a divine masterpiece of recognizing the best in humanity. It is extremely positive and optimistic where through history most governments are based on a pessimistic, lowest common denominator view of the people governed.

The Founding Fathers studied governments that came before but what they based the Constitution on was a deep knowledge of HUMAN NATURE.

As early as Aesop it has been known what the worst and best aspects of human nature are and the FF wanted a government that was restrained in exercising those "worst" elements.

They knew for certain that given time the wielding of power leads to corruption and abuse.

Currently its not a King or Emperor system that over time has come to abuse its power but its the Corporation of Party Politics that now disdains the citizenry of whom by Constitution they are bound to be the servants of.

We don't need to tear apart the Charter and start from scratch we just need to retrench in the December 1791 version of the Constitution and the first 10 Amendments made to it, every thing that came after should be suspect as a bastardization to pander for power or obtain license were none was supposed to be given. Add in the UnConstitutional usurpation of "Regulation" and we see we have strangled the liberty protected by the original document.

The Founding Fathers produced a universal document to ensure Citizens could enjoy the pursuit of their personal happiness, sure the Founding Fathers failed as men of their time in not applying it universally, but their work, even in our modern time, goes well beyond what any other country affords its citizens for freedom in its original form.

Libs would love for us to "start from scratch".

You can bet your ass what replaces the Constitution will not be a document of freedom.

Obam is dismissive of the Constitution viewing it as a document of "negative liberties" because it restrains government from "governing" the people. That dumb fuck Constitutional scholar is perhaps too dumb to realize that was its intent or more likely he is just a blood thirsty tyrant pissed that he can not gulag you into submission.

Shit Sotomayor, sworn to uphold the Constitutions tenets, has stated that no country today should use our Constitution as a basis for their chosen form of governance. WTF?

Sure the libs want to start from scratch but the only right response is "No just act in accordance with the Constitution and stop all the power grabbing that has watered down its value".

 

[deersniper]

^the FF didn't let women or people who didn't own property vote for a reason. They weren't stupid. They studied history. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in if we would have followed their plans.

 

[pmclaine]

^the FF didn't let women or people who didn't own property vote for a reason. They weren't stupid. They studied history. We wouldn't be in the mess we are in if we would have followed their plans.

Its not so much about "sex" of the voter as it is about "skin in the game".

Letting people vote to take property from others is a recipe for disaster we have all known about since the earliest recordings of government function.

 

[deersniper]

Its not so much about "sex" of the voter as it is about "skin in the game".

Letting people vote to take property from others is a recipe for disaster we have all known about since the earliest recordings of government function.

Oh I think it's both.
not politically correct but:
Men and women are wired different
Women are emotional and make a lot of decisions based on emotion instead of facts/logic
Men work more than women. Taking care of a house and kids is work but it's not the same as working at a for profit business. They are much more apt to vote for welfare etc due to the work aspect and the mothering/nurturing instinct.

This stuff (the emotional aspect) is backed up by science
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders

Not necessarily agreeing with all of it but interesting perspective in this link. I can't find the link that has a pretty compelling argument about women being wired biologically to cause war/invasion so the stronger male survives and reproduces.

http://www.returnofkings.com/94774/...-raped-by-invaders-than-stuck-with-beta-males

 

[pmclaine]

Oh I think it's both.
not politically correct but:
Men and women are wired different
Women are emotional and make a lot of decisions based on emotion instead of facts/logic
Men work more than women. Taking care of a house and kids is work but it's not the same as working at a for profit business. They are much more apt to vote for welfare etc due to the work aspect and the mothering/nurturing instinct.

This stuff (the emotional aspect) is backed up by science
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/hope-relationships/201402/brain-differences-between-genders
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I get the "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" science but facts are you cant exclude 50% of a population from governance.

and truth be told when backed in to a corner most women will perform better than more than half of the male population out of pure meanness and spite.

Women voting for Trump are what got him elected. We will see if it was worth their effort.

Ill agree we have "too much Athens, not enough Sparta" in our present condition but a full on sausage fest is not the answer and that genie is never going back in the bottle.

The women became one sided on one issue and the Repubs were dumb (shocker) by playing into the Dem plan.

We are one issue voters on 2A while a large percentage of women are one issue voters on Roe vs Wade.

The word "ban" irks them as much as it irks our penis bearing selves.

If the Repubs wanted to depower that explosive train say "Roe vs wade is the law of the Land but the government has no place in funding it".

The majority of women detest abortion as much as any evangelical Christian its just that as an evangelical doesnt want you telling them where they can or can not post the Ten Commandments, women dont want government telling them what they can or cant do in their vaginas.

I told you they were mean fighters if you can get them on your side.

 

[candyx]

It starts at the local town level for anyone who runs for office, it not about service its for the feel of power over others which they don't have in their normal lives.Elected positions are for the purpose of serving the people who elected you.We had a local official once tell us that he doesn't have to vote for local matters that the people want, he was elected because the people liked the way he thought so to him it only matter what he determined was appropriate not what the citizens wanted.

Now imagine the power high you get at each level of government you get elected to county,state and federal. Federal level must make you feel invincible , above all laws, the power over millions of people that must abide by your made up delusional laws that they pull from their asses on a day basis.Not mentioning the money because we all know thats a given excluding their salary.

Now these 535 elected officials commiserate as a group combining their power to write laws to keep themselves in power for life.Mind you none of these laws help the Republic nor its people to further the Nation as our Forefathers intended.

The system is corrupt and can't be removed legally as if that word even makes sense anymore.The players do change time to time but the game rules don't, which gives the phony democracy a facade that the government is working for the people and by the people.

Changing times I guess "The arm of the US military that controls the launch of nuclear weapons tweeted that it was ready to drop something "much, much bigger" than New York's New Year's Eve ball."

California Congressman with 2020 presidential aspirations Eric Swalwell has confirmed he favored confiscating guns and even had a ‘nuclear’ take on what the government would do if it faced resistance.

Are you really free and in charge of your Country keeping dreaming about it as the government legalize another stimulant "pot" to make you more even more passive. The Shepherds have crafted there trade like no others in modern history, the sheep don't have to be tied down to be sheared anymore they just stand there and give up their coats willingly .

Oh one more thing, don't forget to vote.............

 

[Strykervet]

The good people, the land, yeah, worth saving. Much of the government and how it's all administered needs to just go away.

At one point, our government existed to serve the people. Now we serve the government. Every government has taken this to the nth degree up until it caused conflict, be it civil war, revolution or an uprising. To think we are different is naïve.

A lot of changes need to be made around here but unless we make 'em, unless we force the changes, nothing will happen. The population is sufficiently divided so that getting 50 states to agree on the same package of legislation designed to fix things would be practically impossible today.

 

[Alphatreedog]

I get the "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" science but facts are you cant exclude 50% of a population from governance.

and truth be told when backed in to a corner most women will perform better than more than half of the male population out of pure meanness and spite.

Women voting for Trump are what got him elected. We will see if it was worth their effort.

Ill agree we have "too much Athens, not enough Sparta" in our present condition but a full on sausage fest is not the answer and that genie is never going back in the bottle.

The women became one sided on one issue and the Repubs were dumb (shocker) by playing into the Dem plan.

We are one issue voters on 2A while a large percentage of women are one issue voters on Roe vs Wade.

The word "ban" irks them as much as it irks our penis bearing selves.

If the Repubs wanted to depower that explosive train say "Roe vs wade is the law of the Land but the government has no place in funding it".

The majority of women detest abortion as much as any evangelical Christian its just that as an evangelical doesnt want you telling them where they can or can not post the Ten Commandments, women dont want government telling them what they can or cant do in their vaginas.

I told you they were mean fighters if you can get them on your side.

How many women died in Normandy . How many in Khe San . How about Robert's Ridge . How many in the Chosin Reservoir . Oh and the numbers at Midway were staggering . Women Seals , Rangers , SF , Recon , SAS . Let's not forget Fallujah.
How about the hundreds of women that ran into the Burning Towers in NY .
Two terrorist that showed up at the Draw Mohammed contest in Texas . Yeah they were stopped by a woman right ? The Church shooting that the NRA member responded to with their own AR15 . I'm sure that one was female . Mogadishu, Lebanon , Benghazi ? From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli right ?
The Alamo . The Revolution . The Civil War . As the Caissons go marching along .
Yep women got all kinda skin in the game . You can bet your hairy ass that when shit goes tits up that the women gonna stack shit bags like cord wood . Yep women gonna save the fuckin day . They always have .

 

[pmclaine]

How many women died in Normandy . How many in Khe San . How about Robert's Ridge . How many in the Chosin Reservoir . Oh and the numbers at Midway were staggering . Women Seals , Rangers , SF , Recon , SAS . Let's not forget Fallujah.
How about the hundreds of women that ran into the Burning Towers in NY .
Two terrorist that showed up at the Draw Mohammed contest in Texas . Yeah they were stopped by a woman right ? The Church shooting that the NRA member responded to with their own AR15 . I'm sure that one was female . Mogadishu, Lebanon , Benghazi ? From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli right ?
The Alamo . The Revolution . The Civil War . As the Caissons go marching along .
Yep women got all kinda skin in the game . You can bet your hairy ass that when shit goes tits up that the women gonna stack shit bags like cord wood . Yep women gonna save the fuckin day . They always have .

Based on your premise 99% of the population should not vote.

Not saying thats wrong but that is only going to happen in a Heinlen novel.

 

[pmclaine]

How many women died in Normandy . How many in Khe San . How about Robert's Ridge . How many in the Chosin Reservoir . Oh and the numbers at Midway were staggering . Women Seals , Rangers , SF , Recon , SAS . Let's not forget Fallujah.
How about the hundreds of women that ran into the Burning Towers in NY .
Two terrorist that showed up at the Draw Mohammed contest in Texas . Yeah they were stopped by a woman right ? The Church shooting that the NRA member responded to with their own AR15 . I'm sure that one was female . Mogadishu, Lebanon , Benghazi ? From the Halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli right ?
The Alamo . The Revolution . The Civil War . As the Caissons go marching along .
Yep women got all kinda skin in the game . You can bet your hairy ass that when shit goes tits up that the women gonna stack shit bags like cord wood . Yep women gonna save the fuckin day . They always have .

Regards the draw Mohammed shooting....personally think the FBI agents that followed shooter to the venue knowing what was bound to happen should be charged with treason but the even bigger problem is that our govt probably promoted them.

 

[Vodoun daVinci]

What is our Country to you?

Is there any recourse, Story, point, etc that changed your life?

Sorry for the snips and quote edit but I wanted to address the questions you asked as concisely as I possible can.

America is/was a Democratic Republic as it was founded - a Republic based on the better ideals of Democracy where the Citizens have a vote/say/opinion about where this country goes and how it goes there. We used to elect our representatives and they conducted themselves as we directed them and we voted them in/out based on their performance and how well they represented We the People.

21st Century United States of America is now an Oligarchy owned and operated by .01% of the Richest of the Rich for their benefit. Your Representation has been paid to make sure the Oligarchy (it's a Global Oligarchy) prospers and gets richer and the rest of US can Fuck off and die as far as they are concerned...They own the World's resources and can buy what they do not already possess. And since America is the richest nation on Earth (formerly the greatest) the Global Oligarchy wants those assets and riches and will pay whatever it takes to make that happen.

Citizens United allows these people/organizations to contribute unlimited amounts of untraceable money to your Representative's election campaigns (which finds it's way into his/hers pockets because it's untraceable) to do the Oligarchy's bidding. Out Representation is now owned/operated by Global Oligarchs and you can vote Democrat or you can vote Republican - it matters not. They both/all answer to people with more money than God.

We will not, in my opinion, "vote them out" because the elections are now tainted and controlled and there is no longer a choice - the only viable/electable candidates are long ago beholden to/owned by the Oligarchy. We will have to tear it down and rebuild it at some point. I believe that the United States of America, as predicted by some of our Founding Fathers, has run it's course as a Republic and needs to be redrawn/rebuilt in this century and avoid the taint of money in Politics.

We need to discover how exactly it went wrong (you can never fix a problem until one correctly identifies (not opinion - Fact about what is broken) and fix the broken components. And we can't even have a truthful and factual discussion about what happened and why and how it can be fixed without people interjecting Religion, Race, Political Affiliation, or their personal Objectives. We can't fix it until we discover what is broken and we can't yet have a sincere dialog about what went wrong without someone blaming Democrats, or Donal Trump, or Black People, or Jews, or Women, or Communists, or Socialists, or Poor People, or Rich People, etc.

We have been groomed by The Media (owned and operated by the Oligarchy) for decades to hate each other and fight each others philosophy and we have been played against each other deliberately and with serious intent to keep US at each other while the Oligarchy liquidates America. Vote how ya want, they don't care.

That's my story. That's my opinion. Happy New Year and Good Luck to all my Brothers and Sisters going forward!

VooDoo

 

[pmclaine]

Sorry for the snips and quote edit but I wanted to address the questions you asked as concisely as I possible can.

America is/was a Democratic Republic as it was founded - a Republic based on the better ideals of Democracy where the Citizens have a vote/say/opinion about where this country goes and how it goes there. We used to elect our representatives and they conducted themselves as we directed them and we voted them in/out based on their performance and how well they represented We the People.

21st Century United States of America is now an Oligarchy owned and operated by .01% of the Richest of the Rich for their benefit. Your Representation has been paid to make sure the Oligarchy (it's a Global Oligarchy) prospers and gets richer and the rest of US can Fuck off and die as far as they are concerned...They own the World's resources and can buy what they do not already possess. And since America is the richest nation on Earth (formerly the greatest) the Global Oligarchy wants those assets and riches and will pay whatever it takes to make that happen.

Citizens United allows these people/organizations to contribute unlimited amounts of untraceable money to you Representative's election campaigns (which finds it's way into his/hers pockets because it's untraceable) to do the Oligarchy's bidding. Out Representation is now owned/operated by Global Oligarchs and you can vote Democrat or you can vote Republican - it matters not. They both/all answer to people with more money than God.

We will not, in my opinion, "vote them out" because the elections are now tainted and controlled and there is no longer a choice - the only viable/electable candidates are long ago beholden to/owned by the Oligarchy. We will have to tear it down and rebuild it at some point. I believe that the United States of America, as predicted by some of our Founding Fathers, has run it's course as a Republic and needs to be redrawn/rebuilt in this century and avoid the taint of money in Politics.

We need to discover how exactly it went wrong (you can never fix a probelm until one correctly identifies (not opinion - Fact about what is broken) and fix the broken components. And we can't even have a truthful and factual discussion about what happened and why and how it can be fixed without people interjecting Religion, Race, Political Affiliation, or their personal Objectives. We can't fix it until we discover what is broken and we can't yet have a sincere dialog about what went wrong without someone blaming Democrats, or Donal Trump, or Black People, or Jews, or Women, or Communists, or Socialists, or Poor People, or Rich People, etc.

We have been groomed by The Media (owned and operated by the Oligarchy) for decades to hate each other and fight each others philosophy and we have been played against each other deliberately and with serious intent to keep US at each other while the Oligarchy liquidates America. Vote how ya want, they don't care.

That's my story. That's my opinion. Happy New Year and Good Luck to all my Brohers and sisters going forward!

VooDoo

Citizens United if applied across the board might be helpful.

As the libs would have it work all their associations would get to use "pool" money or in the case of unions involuntary taxes to promote liberal causes.

My only issue with Citizens United is that if it is going to be aplied to any "non individual" entity it has to be applied to all.

So SEIU doesnt get to PAC, Clinton Foundation doesnt get to PAC, Koch Bros Inc dont get to PAC, George Soros Inc doesnt get to PAC.

One individual is allotted one max donation (I think its $2500 right now) and thats it. Fraud payments would be a felony punishable by jail. No "loaning" money to friends - So Rosie Odonnel would be just as punished as D'nesh D'souza was when she skirted campaign finance law.

Be careful what you advocate for.

If you are on the same side as Hillary Clinton you know there is a trap.

 

[Bdevr]

In a word: NO

In more words: Hell no.

Take a deep breath and look around

-Every generation since the baby boomer hippy retards has become more weak and coddled. At this point we have to walk on egg shells as a society so we don't hurt anyone's feelings.
-Our kids are being indoctrinated from the day they start preschool.
- We are 20 TRILLION dollars in debt with the fucktards in D.C finding new ways to give more money away every day to buy votes and campaign donations.
- The corrupt p's.o.s that run things keep getting reelected until they die. That's a pretty quick way to ensure that nothing will get fixed.
-Trump ain't gonna save us. Even IF his intentions were 100% pure and he WAS the second coming of G.Washington, he doesn't have enough power to do squat. The swamp is winning and will continue to.
- As far as the scotus? The best we can hope for from them is small victories that equate to one baby step forward before we get knocked back A 1/4 mile.
-The Republican party is just as corrupt as them dems. Even considering the repubs The "enemy of my enemy" and a defacto ally is foolish at best.

Those who say we can still turn it around at the voting box must be descendants of the one asshole on the Titanic try to save everyone by bailing with his teacup...
Would the last person with an ounce of hope please turn out the lights and lock the door behind you when you're done?

Before anybody calls me a quitter, I am not advocating for giving up and letting the left have their way. We just have to fix things the way our forefathers would.

Oh and S.T.F.U up bubbles. Nobody gives a flying fuck what you think.

 

[Greg Langelius *]

I think that there is a grand Constitution worth saving. When it's taken at its word, it has fueled a Nation of free men and women the likes of which the rest of the world can only envy; and envy it does. That's the basis behind each and every attempt to derail our republic.

I think that despite, or because of, our diversity, there is a grand majority of people worth saving. Without the people, there is no Nation; there can only be conjecture.

What we don't need are the folks who are driving full tilt boogie toward the precipice where the people and their Constitution become separable. Such folks are not parasites, because parasites can be removed, and both host and parasite can continue to exist, without questioning whether that's desirable. The real threat is those who act as the pathogens, which seek not to coexist with, but to destroy their hosts with no concept that in so doing they destroy themselves in the process.

It's not a campaign, it's an all out war. We neglect it at our ultimate peril.

Was there a moment where my life changed?

Yes. It was the moment when I, as a seasoned USMC Combat NCO, stepped back onto American soil. It was that moment when I saw with new eyes all the vast population for whom I and my comrades had bet our lives and bet big that what we had endured and survived had been for a good purpose. Politicians quibble about the meanings, combat veterans don't have to, they know because they were actually there, and actually saw the meanings of such sanctimonious words those politicians use as sterile and conjectural concepts.

We saw in our sacrifice the paths to universal decency, they saw in others' sacrifice their own paths to personal power.

Put not your faith in leaders of assemblies, put it in the leaders of those who make the actual sacrifice.

We who fought did so in the understanding that all government has at its foundation the use of force, and that what we who sacrificed empowered that government in the understanding that such governance would act for the benefit of the electorate. But such is a transaction in trust, and when that trust is betrayed and the power is used to benefit individual politicians and collections of such, that trust is no longer justifiable on any level.

I know there will be a revolution. The current travesty cannot stand under its own weight.

I expect that revolution will come when the providers of that power withdraw it from those who have been, and are so wantonly betraying this foundational trust. It's not about parties, it's about the assemblies which harbor them.

Somebody has to fire that first shot, the quandary is about who has the right to do it.

I think I now know who that should be. I look to those current executors of that oath we all took; to hold that oath uppermost, and CARRY IT OUT!

Greg

 

[Alphatreedog]

It boils down to this . Ask yourself the question , when it comes time am I really ready to do what is needed . Sacrifice everything . I don't mean your life I'm talking food , money , water , housing and the safety and securiy of the ones you love . This is not Black Ops III . You don't just turn this shit off once it starts . How bout grab a boat to Haiti with nothing but the clothes on your back and go live in a ghetto for a year . If you make it the year . The other side of the coin is you wind up in the same position if you do nothing . That's what I said . You will be third world fucked at some point if this shit keeps going . And if not you your kids are fucked squared .
Eventually all the Commie shit and all the free shit and all the were taken your shit leads to Venzuala or USSR type universal poverty . But the road there is the fun part where the enemies of the state get hauled away . Dimed out by your pussy neighbor for some table scraps .
Either way you are going for the same ride . So do you go down fighting and clean this shit out or do you lay down shackeld by fear a lnd cowardice . To answer your question , Yes . The Country and the Constitution are worth saving . We have an infestation of parasites that need tending to . Nobody else is gonna fix this but the guy in the mirror . Ask him how he wants to go down .

 

[Jefe's Dope]

IMHO, it's come to a head. We've reached the precipice of they take a little, we give a little. Sooner or later a little becomes a lot. We're there now. Or at least many of us believe that. At least from what I read here and other places.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Blah blah, more talk. We know the problem, we know the solution. We can debate for the next millennia. Words mean little without action. Voting isn’t going to work. Writing isn’t going to work. One of us doing the acting isn’t going to work. So, I ask again, how do we mobilize and actually do something about these things other than flap our jaws? There lies the question that nobody had answered. @QuickNDirty has the best solution I’ve heard so far but it does involve voting and I’m not sure with the best resources that we can ever flip enough people at one time to make any real difference. We need numbers for sure. How do we do that? Will it happen automatically as more and more peoooe get fed up? If so, will that time be too late. We are literally a couple years me thinks from losing arms altogether. Once that happens there isn’t any going back.

P.S. I also find it very interesting that a lot of older users I used to see in here all of the time seem to be all but a memory and tons of new users are in here asking such questions as the one posted above.

 

[QuickNDirty]

Will it happen automatically as more and more peoooe get fed up?

P.S. I also find it very interesting that a lot of older users I used to see in here all of the time seem to be all but a memory and tons of new users are in here asking such questions as the one posted above.

I think of it kinda like this...



Trump got the fingers moving, Brian Kolfage hit on a path towards ground but is still traveling on a mostly horizontal path, but eventually that circuit will complete and you'll get that big dump at 1:26.

We're all just electrons moving about, and the new members and such are being drawn towards the path to ground.

 

[MK20]

Yes it still exists and is worth saving. At least, in some parts of the country. The problem is that there are some anti freedom parts of the country that are dedicated to the complete destruction of those of us who love freedom. It is not a battle of politics, but a battle between two BELIEF SYSTEMS. Both sides hold certain things sacred to the point of being willing to die and kill for them. It was the same story when slavery was an issue. I have a feeling that we are repeating that but over different issues. Look at when Kavanaugh, a moderate justice, was being sworn in. A MOB was literally trying to beat down the doors of the Supreme Court.
The biggest issue is that as conservatives we are big proponents of live and let live. Statists/liberals/progressives/post modernists cannot and will not tolerate someone to live in a way that is not approved of by them. They try to take our guns from us slowly by regulation because they know that when you force all people to be subject to the will of the state eventually some will rise up and try to maintain their way of life and freedom. The historical question is not IF this will happen, but if it will happen SOON ENOUGH. Otherwise you end up like Bonhoeffer, hung by piano wire because everyone waited to resist until the state was too strong for coordinated resistance to be mounted effectively.

On the issue of women’s sufferage, women were actually allowed to vote in much of colonial America. The requirement was normally land or property ownership. Normally the man voted for the family unit that owned the property, but when the woman was in charge she voted. It was always about skin in the game. I think a basic civics test to be able to vote as well as property ownership, taxes paid, or military service should be required to vote.

I (state your name), do solemnly swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all Enemies, foreign and domestic, and that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same. That I will obey the orders of the president of the United States, and of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations, and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

That last sentence is becoming more and more pertinent as supporting and defending the Constitution becomes increasingly difficult.
I swore that oath more than once, and worked with guys who swore it and died for it so you better damn well believe that I think America is worth defending and preserving, at all costs.
If we fail, those who paid that price will justly look upon us and say, in the words of Samuel Adams, “If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

ETA: An absolutely MUST READ for anyone on this thread is the book “That Every Man Be Armed”. It is a legal type book citing tons of historical precedent and case law and is the clearest and most consolidated argument for the right to bear arms that I have ever seen.

 

[SilentStalkr]

And here we still talking instead of doing real work. Not that I have any more ideas than what’s been offered but preaching to those of like minds over and over doesn’t really change things.

 

[Blutroop]

Rome was destroyed from within. I took the oath. I bleed for the constitution. Only time will tell if it’s to far gone to save. The silent majority must become loud enough to drown out everything else. We must make our stance known when cops take away a innocent mans guns in Vermont, when they shoot a man in his house for not giving up his guns, when they shoot a Vietnam vet in his own house for having the awdacity to be armed while stopping a naked guy who broke into his house and assaulted his grandson. We need to march into Denver with assault weapons on our backs. We are the frog in the boiling water. It’s getting kinda hot in here huh?

 

[ArmyJerry]

welp, the other side is getting ready apparently.....let the sorting begin

 

[Blutroop]

Cops need to pick a side. They need to choose not to follow orders that have them violating the constitution. If they cannot or will not make the choice then they must begin to see how quickly the point man dies. I received more training than most of them. I’ve potentially kicked in more doors and done more roadblocks then them. The big difference is I did it while upholding the constitution. Do cops take any kind of oath?

 

[ArmyJerry]

they picked a side a long time ago.

boston

 

[Mike_Honcho]

The SINGLE biggest problem is that we have been under attack since the formation of the nation; and because it comes from so many different directions, and attacks are across every front - there is no agreement on what must be done, nor on ‘who’ is doing it.

The failure of the masses to connect the dots is a function of their success. While I may as well stand into the breeze, aim high, and enjoy the warm spray of piss all over myself - here is little info for those that actually care to begin to understand how we got here. In short, everything you have been told to place your trust in, was created for you, was created for express purpose of deceiving and defrauding you. You have been programed to reject this very idea, and at the same time programed to not have interest / loose interest in investigating truth; and if by some miracle you are willing, you are programed to feel that it is all beyond your ability to change.

You were born into a brainwashed population, and you have been brainwashed ALL of your life. The first step is to admit that and begin to understand who did it and why.

 

[MK20]

Most cops are good folks who don’t have a deep constitutional understanding. Most cops signed up for the job because it was a job and the oath was secondary. Most mil dudes signed up because it was a belief and way of life. The oath was not secondary. That is the way I see it.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Rome was destroyed from within. I took the oath. I bleed for the constitution. Only time will tell if it’s to far gone to save. The silent majority must become loud enough to drown out everything else. We must make our stance known when cops take away a innocent mans guns in Vermont, when they shoot a man in his house for not giving up his guns, when they shoot a Vietnam vet in his own house for having the awdacity to be armed while stopping a naked guy who broke into his house and assaulted his grandson. We need to march into Denver with assault weapons on our backs. We are the frog in the boiling water. It’s getting kinda hot in here huh?

Then get some people together and do it! I’m a long way away from CO bit if you guys can round up 5k or so then I’ll fly out and join you.

 

[MK20]

Everybody has a belief system @Mike_Honcho , even you. The best thing to do is continually learn and search for truth from original sources.

 

[Blutroop]

Most cops are good folks who don’t have a deep constitutional understanding. Most cops signed up for the job because it was a job and the oath was secondary. Most mil dudes signed up because it was a belief and way of life. The oath was not secondary. That is the way I see it.

Yes they brainwash them t

Then get some people together and do it!

I will lead if no one else will.. I don’t have the resources to even get myself to any of those places right now though, let alone a rifle. I am trying to build my house/fallback right now while being unemployed. I can’t do it alone either. It only works with numbers supporting.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Cops need to pick a side. They need to choose not to follow orders that have them violating the constitution. If they cannot or will not make the choice then they must begin to see how quickly the point man dies. I received more training than most of them. I’ve potentially kicked in more doors and done more roadblocks then them. The big difference is I did it while upholding the constitution. Do cops take any kind of oath?

They pick the side that feeds them. Simple as that. Most humans do.

 

[Blutroop]

Then get some people together and do it! I’m a long way away from CO bit if you guys can round up 5k or so then I’ll fly out and join you.

We don’t even need 5k, we just need a few hundred dedicated enough to lock and load and not submit to commands to disperse and not allow the group be arrested

 

[SilentStalkr]

Everybody has a belief system @Mike_Honcho , even you. The best thing to do is continually learn and search for truth from original sources.

Hard to do when the gov controls the info dissemination.

 

[MK20]

There was a guy in WA state that did it in 2014. Thousands of folks showed up armed at the Capitol in Olympia and committed multiple “felonies” under the new law by handing guns back and forth to each other right in front of the police.

 

[SilentStalkr]

Yes they brainwash them t

I will lead if no one else will.. I don’t have the resources to even get myself to any of those places right now though, let alone a rifle. I am trying to build my house/fallback right now while being unemployed. I can’t do it alone either. It only works with numbers supporting.

Been saying it’s a numbers thing for years. What you will find is that gun owners like to complain but are either lazy or too hard working to really do anything. Either way, that means they don’t care about their rights as much as they claim. I grow tired of people complaining when so little act.

 

[Blutroop]

They pick the side that feeds them. Simple as that. Most humans do.

Yes they have obviously picked their side. I would still like to give them the Benifit of the doubt, or one last chance to quit.

 

[MK20]

@SilentStalkr , check out an organization called wallbuilders. Largest collection of documents prior to 1812 outside of the Library of Congress. Conservative folks and they do a great podcast.

 

[Blutroop]

There was a guy in WA state that did it in 2014. Thousands of folks showed up armed at the Capitol in Olympia and committed multiple “felonies” under the new law by handing guns back and forth to each other right in front of the police.

Been saying it’s a numbers thing for years. What you will find is that gun owners like to complain but are either lazy or too hard working to really do anything.

and too many realize the importance of being the grey man

 

[SilentStalkr]

There was a guy in WA state that did it in 2014. Thousands of folks showed up armed at the Capitol in Olympia and committed multiple “felonies” under the new law by handing guns back and forth to each other right in front of the police.

Did it help anything?

 

[MK20]

The problem is that we as conservatives think in terms of the individual while libs think in terms of group. That makes it a hell of a lot easier for them to organize.

 

[SilentStalkr]

and too many realize the importance of being the grey man

Agreed but at some point you have to man up and make some sacrifices.

 

[MK20]

Yep. It helped. Most of the state still doesn’t follow the law. Not enough votes in the rest of the state outside of King County to overturn it though.

 

[Blutroop]

Look at the bundys, first time it worked.. second time it didn’t

 

[Mike_Honcho]

mis-read

 

[SilentStalkr]

Look at the bundys, first time it worked.. second time it didn’t

And that’s a prime example of why an awakening needs to happen, now. Ive watched the videos multiple times and that was straight up murder when that dude was with his family trying to meet up with the sheriff. I’m sorry but it was. I don’t necrssarioy agree with Bundy and his people and how they did things on all fronts, some of it was a bit comical, but the dude did not deserve to be assassinated. That just goes to show you no matter what your plan is you need to have an unknown escape plan.

 

[MK20]

I was merely saying that in a sense you are correct but that the belief systems are not necessarily bad if they are based in facts. No offense intended here.

 

[Mike_Honcho]

My apologies - I mis read it.

Take care.