I think that the Russians see that eastern part of Ukraine as russian.
Personally I don't want to get that close. But I do know one thing. Russia will not loose.
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I think that the Russians see that eastern part of Ukraine as russian.
Personally I don't want to get that close. But I do know one thing. Russia will not loose.
With the retards we have running our government I think that sunshine unleashing you speak of is almost inevitable at this point.
Even CNN can see the writing on the wall
Speaking of China Russian collaboration, have you seen this bit of news yet?
Zerohedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
www.zerohedge.com
I wonder how this will effect things in the mid and long term in the Ukraine AO?
Just my jackass opinion...
If the world would exist without Russia… Then Russia would make the world cease to exist as well.
If the world would exist without Russia… Then Russia would make the world cease to exist as well.
I posted this before:
worldnewstrust.com
FULL TEXT: The Double Helix: China-Russia | Larchmonter 445
Vladimir Putin said it clearly: “Russia and China will have a significant effect on the entire system of international relations. The relationship will be a significant factor in world politics and will affect the contemporary architecture of international relations . . .” And to state precisely...
They do but it is not internationally recognized. We have already supplied Weapons that hit there, crimea. Truck bomb across the Kerch Strait was supposedly linked back to British actors helping to organize it. Russian response was bomb the shit out of Ukrainian infastructure. They have been using short range missile systems this week to tag Russian ammo depots and supply routes in these areas. Destruction of Nord, that was a loss of tens of billions.
I can appreciate your caution and concern, I think this was a stupid move from the start. Completely unnecessary and personally do not condone was our political establishment is doing here. Its wrong
There is a constant that apparently does not compute with either mongols or normans. Slavs wont fuck on your terms. Simple as that. Lesson you should’ve learned is dont try fuck us as result of your fuckery might be undigestible. Somehow you have a talent to find those willing to fuck every few decades… Your effort should be spent on your domestic issues but i guess it easier to hang rainbow or blue/yellow flag than face the truth that your entire existence and being is one big fucking lie (some might argue since 1789 when federalists won)…
pS: Knowing some of you i cant imagine the hurt you bear living in this day and age when huge majority of your (legal) compatriots are brainwashed to the point they are.
pS: Knowing some of you i cant imagine the hurt you bear living in this day and age when huge majority of your (legal) compatriots are brainwashed to the point they are.
You should look into who owns Zero Hedge. The son of an Ex Soviet republic financial minister who owns this news outlet, Strogo Sekretno. https://strogosekretno.comSpeaking of China Russian collaboration, have you seen this bit of news yet?
Zerohedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
I wonder how this will effect things in the mid and long term in the Ukraine AO?
Krassimir Ivandjiiski
Daniel Ivandjiiski who owns Zero Hedge was barred by from trading and then started his News outlet.
They Literally are Commies.
Just as an Example of what his pap is selling to Bulgarians
On the night of January 28-29, the world froze 90 seconds away from a nuclear apocalypse, this time in the Middle East with Israel's strike against Iran's military facilities.
In this way, the second front of the Third World War, after Europe, in the Middle East was ignited
През нощта на 28-29 януари светът замръзна на 90 секунди от ядрения Апокалипсис, този път в Близкия Изток с удара на Израел срещу военни обекти на Иран.
По този начин беше подпален и вторият фронт на Третата световна война, след Европа, в Близкия Изток. /Третият е Азия и Тихия океан./
The Strike in Iran was no were near a Nuclear escalation. Totally hysteria crap....
On the night of January 28-29, the world froze 90 seconds away from a nuclear apocalypse, this time in the Middle East with Israel's strike against Iran's military facilities.
In this way, the second front of the Third World War, after Europe, in the Middle East was ignited
През нощта на 28-29 януари светът замръзна на 90 секунди от ядрения Апокалипсис, този път в Близкия Изток с удара на Израел срещу военни обекти на Иран.
По този начин беше подпален и вторият фронт на Третата световна война, след Европа, в Близкия Изток. /Третият е Азия и Тихия океан./
The Strike in Iran was no were near a Nuclear escalation. Totally hysteria crap....
Another take on Putin's speech:
thesaker.is
Not crazy about the guy but we (the West) are doing everything possible to kick things off.
Wonder if Soros' farewell performance is having his minions smoke the planet?
The Dire Significance of Putin’s Feb 21 Speech | The Vineyard of the Saker
A bird's eye view of the vineyard
thesaker.is
Not crazy about the guy but we (the West) are doing everything possible to kick things off.
Wonder if Soros' farewell performance is having his minions smoke the planet?
Moscow’s Military Capabilities Are in Question After Failed Battle for Ukrainian City
A disastrous Russian assault on Vuhledar, viewed as an opening move in an expected spring offensive, has renewed doubts about Moscow’s ability to sustain a large-scale ground assault.By Marc Santora
Feb. 15, 2023
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KYIV, Ukraine — As Moscow steps up its offensive in eastern Ukraine, weeks of failed attacks on a Ukrainian stronghold have left two Russian brigades in tatters, raised questions about Russia’s military tactics and renewed doubts about its ability to maintain sustained, large-scale ground assaults.
The battle for the city of Vuhledar, which has been viewed as an opening move in an expected Russian spring offensive, has been playing out since the last week of January, but the scale of Moscow’s losses there is only now beginning to come into focus.
Accounts from Ukrainian and Western officials, Ukrainian soldiers, captured Russian soldiers and Russian military bloggers, as well as video and satellite images, paint a picture of a faltering Russian campaign that continues to be plagued by battlefield dysfunction.
In recent weeks, Moscow has rushed tens of thousands more troops, many of them inexperienced new recruits, to the front lines as President Vladimir V. Putin’s forces seek to demonstrate progress before the anniversary of his invasion on Feb. 24. But raising further doubts about Russia’s offensive capabilities, Western officials estimate that a large part of Russia’s army is already fighting in Ukraine.
Britain’s defense secretary, Ben Wallace, told the BBC on Wednesday that “97 percent of the Russian army” is in Ukraine, though he did not elaborate or offer evidence for the claim. U.S. military officials estimate that about 80 percent of Russia’s ground forces are dedicated to the war effort.
The fighting over Vuhledar has come at a cost for Ukraine, too, both in terms of casualties and in the vast amounts of ammunition it has expended to repel Russia’s growing number of ground troops. Kyiv’s allies this week expressed concern about their ability to meet the demand, raising the possibly that Ukrainian commanders might at some point have to limit shelling to the most important targets.
Vuhledar, which sits at the intersection of the eastern front in the Donetsk region and the southern front in the Zaporizhzhia region, has long been in Moscow’s sights. It has been used by Ukraine as a base for harassing shipments on an important rail line supplying Russian forces.
But as has happened in previous Russian offenses, including one in November, “the enemy suffered critical losses,” Col. Oleksii Dmytrashkivskyi, a spokesman for Ukrainian military forces in the area, said in an interview.
He said the attacks on Vuhledar had been no surprise — the Russians even warned the Ukrainians of the coming assault through social media channels, in an apparent attempt to scare them. “It was announced and spread,” Colonel Dmytrashkivskyi said. “It was done to diminish the morale of the fighters.”As they have done throughout the war, the Russian commanders made some basic mistakes, in this case failing to take into account the terrain — open fields littered with antitank mines — or the strength of the Ukrainian forces, Colonel Dmytrashkivskyi said. Two of Russia’s most elite brigades — the 155th and 40th Naval Infantry Brigades — were decimated in Vuhledar, he said.
In one week alone in the Vuhledar clash, the Ukrainian General Staff estimates, Russia lost at least 130 armored vehicles, including 36 tanks. That estimate has been supported by drone footage reviewed by independent military analysts and by accounts from Russian military bloggers, who are ardent supporters of the war but sharp critics of its conduct by top Russian commanders.
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A photograph released by Ukrainian Armed Forces taken this month described as showing damaged Russian tanks in Vuhledar.Credit...Ukrainian Armed Forces, via Associated Press
Mr. Wallace, the British defense secretary, cited reports on Wednesday that “a whole Russian brigade was effectively annihilated” in Vuhledar, where he said that Moscow “lost over 1,000 people in two days.” The British Defense Intelligence Agency reported last week that Russian units had “likely suffered particularly heavy casualties around Vuhledar.”
Mr. Wallace told LBC News, a British news outlet, on Wednesday that the losses in Vuhledar showed the result of “a president and a Russian general staff that defies reality or ignores reality and simply doesn’t care how many people they are killing of their own, let alone of the people they are trying to oppress.”
Many of the captured soldiers had been newly mobilized under a call-up Mr. Putin announced in September of some 300,000 recruits, while others had been recruited by the Wagner mercenary group, many of them from prisons, according to Ukrainian and Russian accounts.
In recent weeks, a rivalry between Wagner forces and the regular Russian Army has opened up, with the mercenary group claiming that its fighters are more capable.
Wagner fighters have led the bloody, monthslong Russian campaign to take the city of Bakhmut, 60 miles north of Vuhledar, while the forces in Vuhledar were made up primarily of regular Russian Army units, though some Wagner fighters were present, Ukrainian officials said.
After months of unrelenting Russian assaults in Bakhmut, Ukrainian forces are in an increasingly precarious position, though the Russian gains have come at a heavy cost for Moscow and left Bakhmut in ruins.
The Grey Zone, a Telegram channel that is affiliated with Wagner, has been scathing about the Russian military’s efforts in Vuhledar, and called for Russian commanders responsible for the losses to be held accountable in public trials. “Impunity always breeds permissiveness,” a recent post said.
After Russia’s November attack on Vuhledar, which was also reported to have ended with enormous losses, Moscow turned to newly mobilized recruits to replenish its ranks. But those troops had just a bare minimum of training, military analysts say, and probably not enough to mount a serious, organized offensive.
The Russians faced another problem in Vuhledar from Ukraine’s deployment of American-made HIMARS missiles that forced commanders to position large concentrations of forces more than 50 miles from the front. That made it hard to attack with either speed or surprise.
A Russian marine who fought in Vuhledar told the Russian media outlet 7x7, which is based in the Komi region of Russia, that those who survived the battle were considered deserters. The marine, whose identity the news outlet did not disclose, citing the need to protect his safety, said he was part of the third company of the 155th brigade. After the failed assault, he said, only eight soldiers from his company were left alive.
“It would have been better if I had been captured and never returned,” he said.
Despite the setbacks, Moscow has continued to insist that all is going according to plan. On Sunday, Mr. Putin said that the “marine infantry is working as it should. Right now. Fighting heroically.”
For the moment, Colonel Dmytrashkivskyi said, the large-scale Russian assaults have subsided, though the Russians are still attacking in small bands of 10 to 15 soldiers, probably probing Ukrainian defenses for weaknesses.
If the Russians continue with that tactic, he said, they will be outnumbered by Ukrainian platoons of 30 soldiers.
“They are going to their death, and that’s it,” he said.
here is just one...gotta give you credit for asking at least.
The 1919 Pogroms in Ukraine and Poland: One Hundred Years Later
Jeffrey Veidlinger will examine how the genocidal violence that engulfed the region right after the revolution laid the groundwork for the Holocaust.
here is just one...gotta give you credit for asking at least.
The 1919 Pogroms in Ukraine and Poland: One Hundred Years Later
Jeffrey Veidlinger will examine how the genocidal violence that engulfed the region right after the revolution laid the groundwork for the Holocaust.www.wilsoncenter.org
The Germans take the fall for being genocidal anti-semites
But the rest of the Europeans, especially the Eastern Europeans were fully on board with genocideing the Jews, with or without Nazi help didn't matter.
sad but true.
unfortunately, our education system sucks and too many people are ignorant of the nazism that is foundational, not an outlier in ukrainian culture.
the ukrainians suffered immensely under soviet rule, both lenin and stalin. it is no surprise they saw the nazis as saviors from the bolshevik slaughters post revolution.
our own "cultured" western jews also despised the less educated and poor jews from eastern europe. they didn't want to be associated with them.
you would think the jewish communities would welcome the few refugees that escaped the nazis in the 40s, but history tells a different story.
The funny thing is the stupid Ukrainians forget how their NAZI buddies that were their "liberators" kind of had a plan to genocide all the stupid Ukrainians when they didn't need them anymore.
Kind of like how when you look at lots of these stupid "Neo-Nazis" in America and such, most don't realize real Nazis would have sent their inferior asses to the liquidation camps as well.
Just like in Israel, there are several different types of "Jews" that all don't exactly like the other ones very much...
i am not so sure.
i think the nazis would have spared the ukrainians that produced anything they could take, tax or exploit in some way.
Look up Simon Petliura
The pogroms in Ukraine between 1917 and 1921 represent the largest and bloodiest anti-Jewish massacres prior to the Holocaust. The estimated number of Jews murdered in Ukraine in the aftermaths of World War I ranges from 50,000 to 200,000,1 with many more Jews suffering violence, rape,2 and loss of property. Altogether 1.6 million Jews were affected by these violent events. Although it is impossible to determine the exact number of victims of these pogroms, there is no doubt that this was the largest outbreak of anti-Jewish violence before the Shoah, the genocide during World War II in which 6 million European Jews, around two-thirds of the Jewish population of the continent, were systematically murdered by the Nazis and their collaborators.
he was killed in 1926 by a Russian Jew...
Petliura was a Ukrainian Nationalist. This was their crest... Look familiar.
Coat of arms of Ukraine - Wikipedia
The trident was not thought of as a national symbol until 1917, when one of the most prominent Ukrainian historians, Mykhailo Hrushevskyi, proposed to adopt it as a national symbol (alongside other variants, including an arbalest, a bow or a cossack carrying a musket, i
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I don't know where this author got his data but:here is just one...gotta give you credit for asking at least.
The 1919 Pogroms in Ukraine and Poland: One Hundred Years Later
Jeffrey Veidlinger will examine how the genocidal violence that engulfed the region right after the revolution laid the groundwork for the Holocaust.
Haynes, Rebecca; Rady, Martyn (2011). In the shadow of Hitler: personalities of the right in Central and Eastern Europe. London: I.B. Tauris. p. 97-99. ISBN 9781845116972.
The history of the Jews in Poland dates back at least 1,000 years. For centuries, Poland was home to the largest and most significant Ashkenazi Jewish community in the world. Poland was a principal center of Jewish culture, because of the long period of statutory religious tolerance and social autonomy which ended after the Partitions of Poland in the 18th century. During World War II there was a nearly complete genocidal destruction of the Polish Jewish community by Nazi Germany and its collaborators of various nationalities,[5] during the German occupation of Poland between 1939 and 1945, called the Holocaust. Since the fall of communism in Poland, there has been a renewed interest in Jewish culture, featuring an annual Jewish Culture Festival, new study programs at Polish secondary schools and universities, and the opening of Warsaw's Museum of the History of Polish Jews.
From the founding of the Kingdom of Poland in 1025 until the early years of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth created in 1569, Poland was the most tolerant country in Europe.[6] Historians have used the label paradisus iudaeorum (Latin for "Paradise of the Jews").[7][8] Poland became a shelter for Jews persecuted and expelled from various European countries and the home to the world's largest Jewish community of the time. According to some sources, about three-quarters of the world's Jews lived in Poland by the middle of the 16th century.[9][10][11] With the weakening of the Commonwealth and growing religious strife (due to the Protestant Reformation and Catholic Counter-Reformation), Poland's traditional tolerance[12] began to wane from the 17th century.[13] After the Partitions of Poland in 1795 and the destruction of Poland as a sovereign state, Polish Jews became subject to the laws of the partitioning powers, including the increasingly antisemitic Russian Empire,[14] as well as Austria-Hungary and Kingdom of Prussia (later a part of the German Empire). Still, as Poland regained independence in the aftermath of World War I, it was the center of the European Jewish world with one of the world's largest Jewish communities of over 3 million. Antisemitism was a growing problem throughout Europe in those years, from both the political establishment and the general population.[15] Throughout the interwar period, Poland supported Jewish emigration from Poland and, on the international arena, the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine. The Polish state also supported Jewish paramilitary groups such as the Haganah, Betar, and Irgun, providing them with weapons and training.[16][17]
When Stalin murdered millions of Ukrainians, one could forgive the Ukrainians to think the Nazis were better but of course they were much worse than the communists.
On a more serious note, he added, “As a Polish historian, I think that trying to cover up the less glorious aspects of our own national past – something that’s being done today in Poland with a lot of enthusiasm – is a crime against our profession. It is also unethical and, in the long run, counterproductive and silly.”
Grabowski’s book concentrates on a rural region of southeastern Poland called Dabrowa Tarnowska. Of its population of 60,000 on the eve of the war, 5,000 were Jews, almost all of whom were deported to the death camp Belzec. Of 500 who managed to escape and hide among the Poles, only 38 survived the war. All the others, as Grabowski discovered, were betrayed and murdered in direct or indirect ways by their Polish neighbors. The events described in “Hunt for the Jews,” notes the historian Timothy Snyder (author of “Bloodlands”), constitute “an inquiry into human behavior in dark times from which all can learn.”
Sounds like you're trying to pick up the clean end of a turd.
According to this, Poland still has an anti-Semitism problem. 
I guess it depends on who's being asked. But since this is some of the same criticism that I've heard about Russia, which some Polish nationals take at face value, I guess they'll take this as the unquestioned truth as well.
History always repeats itself.
www.jta.org
no one documentary can do the topics of the Bolshevik Revolution, Civil War, formation of the USSR, THe Comintern, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, The GPW, Cold War, etc, stagnation and decline, fall of the USSR, independence of the former soviet states, and now Russia....no one source can do all that justice. Some people spend their entire lives studying it in depth so they can teach classes and argue on internet message boards.
I guess it depends on who's being asked. But since this is some of the same criticism that I've heard about Russia, which some Polish nationals take at face value, I guess they'll take this as the unquestioned truth as well.History always repeats itself.
Poland has an anti-Semitism problem. Here's how the Trump administration could help fight it. - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
The recent Polish presidential campaign displayed anti-Semitism in shocking, crude ways, writes a former State Department envoy to combat anti-Semitism.
www.jta.org
no one documentary can do the topics of the Bolshevik Revolution, Civil War, formation of the USSR, THe Comintern, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, The GPW, Cold War, etc, stagnation and decline, fall of the USSR, independence of the former soviet states, and now Russia....no one source can do all that justice. Some people spend their entire lives studying it in depth so they can teach classes and argue on internet message boards.
Not necessarily what you asked for but this is a basic over view of their history from 2000bc up until Lenin took power.
This covers basics of WW1 pretty well
They have other videos that are pretty good too. None of them cover the last 100 years though.
The Russian Civil War was fought on many fronts between 1919 and 1921. It was waged by disparate groups, motivated by politics (the Reds and the Whites), nationalism (Ukrainians and Poles), social protest (the agrarian Greens), and simple greed. The absence of any strong central authority ensured that the entire civilian population was victimized by one military force or another. All the contending armies, regular and irregular, conducted pogroms against Jewish communities. Only the commanders of the Red Army occasionally punished troops guilty of pogrom-mongering. The White forces often used antisemitism as a tool for ideological mobilization. Two groups were particularly prone to pogroms, the anti-Bolshevik Volunteer Army commanded by General Anton Ivanovich Denikin, and forces loyal to the Ukrainian national government, the so-called Directory, headed by Simon Petliura. The irregular forces fighting in the name of the Directory, the Otamans, were particularly notorious for anti-Jewish murder, torture, and rape. Antipogrom declarations issued by the Directory were decried by Jewish groups as mere window-dressing. In fact, the Directory had little effective control over the forces fighting in its name.
While ideology no doubt played some role in prompting pogroms, much of the violence was occasioned by the collapse of governmental authority, the brutalization caused by years of inhumane warfare, and a criminal desire to loot and plunder. There are sharply differing estimates on the total number of Jewish casualties during the Civil War, but the minimum credible estimate is 50,000 fatalities.
yivoencyclopedia.org
While ideology no doubt played some role in prompting pogroms, much of the violence was occasioned by the collapse of governmental authority, the brutalization caused by years of inhumane warfare, and a criminal desire to loot and plunder. There are sharply differing estimates on the total number of Jewish casualties during the Civil War, but the minimum credible estimate is 50,000 fatalities.
YIVO | Pogroms
yivoencyclopedia.org
I’ve looked around zero hedges background a bit, especially after they got banned from Twitter when they posted that reporting linking COVID origins to the lab in Wuhan and possibly a PLA bio weapons program a few years ago. Kind of an unusual course of action for a communist to do don’t you think? I have never seen an article that ZeroHedge published promoting communism or collectivism.You should look into who owns Zero Hedge. The son of an Ex Soviet republic financial minister who owns this news outlet, Strogo Sekretno. https://strogosekretno.com
Krassimir Ivandjiiski
Daniel Ivandjiiski who owns Zero Hedge was barred by from trading and then started his News outlet.
They Literally are Commies.
Now could they be associated with RIM? Possibly.
But to the link, I have seen other reporting that seems to show the initial stages of a strengthening Russian Chinese alliance. According to quite a few sources I was able to peak at when I had access to the CAC library back in 2017, this alliance would present a lot of folks a near insurmountable problem. And if it’s true I think we will see some stuff happen in Ukraine that we may not have seen in the past. We’ll see I guess.
It's Isis, and Nazi's, and Biden Oh My! ....Seriously you can't make this shit up.
I think the error in your thinking is the "internationally" part. Russia does not care. Have you noticed how quiet the UN is on all this. Sure we have a rumble here and there for theater but nothing more. All window dressing. This is by far a shoe in. "The west" is not locked in on winning.
The people really running this show are evil, but not stupid. If Russia does manage to "win", they are hedging their bets. Personally I am shocked Putin has not gone to Heffer International for some shotgun practice.
I really think it is very complex, and wile we know some of it, we don't know the entire story. Cracks are starting to show with what is out there now, they can't afford to let much more out. This is why I think it will not last another year. Something will happen, and not on a battle field with gun, on a battlefield with pens. Then that little fuck in Ukraine will be told it is time to step away from the table. And if he causes trouble, you just never know when a "russian" missile might find him.
The UN is not quite on this
Internationally the majority of the world does not support them. Its quite obvious they, Russia don’t care about it.
Aa far as them “winning” here. What else do they have? What other great capability is there in the Russian arsenal, sans nuclear weapons?
Russia is being held back by a force that is still running at idle and I am not talking about Ukraine. I am talking about the collective west.
As far as them Killing Z man. They knew Biden was in Kiev… if they wanted to play hardball they had the chance.
The Iraqi central bank announced Wednesday that, for the first time, it plans to allow trade from China to be settled directly in yuan instead of the US dollar to improve access to foreign currency.
"It is the first time imports would be financed from China in yuan, as Iraqi imports from China have been financed in (US) dollars only," the government’s economic adviser, Mudhir Salih, told Reuters.
Iraq To Drop Dollar In Trade With China | OilPrice.com
Iraq’s central bank is planning to allow trade with China to be settled directly in yuan instead of USD
oilprice.com
UN is not quite on this.
If you have been following The Nord Stream destruction you should watch this. Its giving Hersh's article some backing/credibility, from an ex Cia guy that was personally involved in many nuke treaties with Russia/Soviet Union.
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And we all know just what that means, nothing at all.
Killing biden, I have a feeling some hope that would happen. I would not put it past them for a nord stream type deal when ole Joe is overseas sometime.
When I say the UN is not doing anything I mean nothing of any real value. Russia and china can exist just fine on their own they don't need anything else from anyone. But do we need stuff from them.....that is the question we need to ask ourselves. We know the answer.
Personally I don't think russia will loose, that does not mean they will "win". Personally I think it will be like crimea where russia gets some land and everything will go back to "normal". While the west rebuilds the destroyed country.
Russia may not be the military we thought it was a year and a half ago, but "the west" is not as well. Just look at that video of the idiot and the DI. This is what will be sent to europe.
The smart thig to do for Russia now is just what they are doing, bleeding the west white. The money can not flow forever. At the end of this that is going to be felt for generations, and that in and of itself is a win for russia.
Perhaps quiet was the wrong word, see my other post. I should have said, done anything meaningful.
Western strength is not in its ground forces. It is in its Naval, Marine and Airforces airborne ability. Thats is why I say Idling along... West have a ton of capability not tapped. Whats Russia got in its conventional inventory? IMO they can not counter that capability.
The Soviet Union was in the 50's,60's and 70's a real threat... Russia is not the Soviet Union, in fact one of the Soviet Unions biggest assists has switched side... this war.
It really depends on how long the west sustains funding and participation. That will be the deciding factor in my opinion, I agree that I don't see Russia giving up here . Both sides are Bleeding heavily. This is not a popular war on either side. I am all for ending this, I do not support escalation, I have Always seen allowing Russia to have the South East of Ukraine Acceptable concessions to keep the peace. The Juice is not worth the squeeze.
Just calling it like I see it. I am not infallible just my opinions.
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