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Agreed, but what are we to do about it?
Stop arguing about things you can't affect, for starters. Specifically international things on the other side of the planet that we can't even remotely control or touch.

Same reason barrel cleaning threads go 30 pages on here... everyone always wants to act intelligent about things that are impossible to quantify or affect. So they get to just talk and talk and talk with no down side. These topics of international politics are no different.

Go get busy working on something you can ACTUALLY affect. Leave each other alone on here in the process.
 

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There would sure be a lot of 'clarity' and 'understanding' by any/every ASSHOLE country that thinks otherwise. You can't honestly say that the Pali's are on the 'good/Right' side of this equation.

And you can't honestly believe that this 'mindset' that they have....doesn't need to change/end.

Nope, wouldn’t change much of anything, when you decide to have a rich western funded Jewish island in the middle of poor Muslim countries, this is what you’re going to get.
 

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Agreed, but what are we to do about it?

Protest at the homes of these policy makers.

Educate your own damn kids on their rights and things like jury nullification

Don’t think the government is the solution to your every problem

Eat better and exercise, stop eating sugar, using Walmart, Facebook, stop watching the news and go outside.

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Nope, wouldn’t change much of anything, when you decide to have a rich western funded Jewish island in the middle of poor Muslim countries, this is what you’re going to get.
This has to be one of the dumbest posts in history. You are talking, actually, about some of the richest states, resource wise, in the world, and Israel, circe 1949, was by far the poorest land in the region. So what you are really asking is how is it fair to the Muslims around that the Jews were able to farm what was desert, and to have a democratic system that encouraged prosperity, while their fucked up governments kept them poor and hungry. Yeah, that totally sounds like the fault of the Jews and the west. Basically, to you it isn't fair that the Jews didn't do the same shitty ass job that the people who never, ever wanted to be called Palestinians did on the same land.
 

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This has to be one of the dumbest posts in history. You are talking, actually, about some of the richest states, resource wise, in the world, and Israel, circe 1949, was by far the poorest land in the region. So what you are really asking is how is it fair to the Muslims around that the Jews were able to farm what was desert, and to have a democratic system that encouraged prosperity, while their fucked up governments kept them poor and hungry. Yeah, that totally sounds like the fault of the Jews and the west. Basically, to you it isn't fair that the Jews didn't do the same shitty ass job that the people who never, ever wanted to be called Palestinians did on the same land.

I’m not getting into what’s “fair” no one cares what’s fair

It’s like saying china isn’t a third world country when most of its people make the same as the average Mexican, looking at how rich and western most of Israel is compared to its neighbors, the thing speaks for itself.

Israel’s existence is a fight based on its location, always has been, always will be, fair, unfair, it is what it is

It’s like if you build a beautiful mansion and drive super cars, but you decide to plop this sprawling estate in the middle of a violent humongous ghetto, you’re going to have some issues.
 
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I’m not getting into what’s “fair” no one cares what’s fair

It’s like saying china isn’t a third world country when most of its people make the same as the average Mexican, looking at how rich and western most of Israel is compared to its neighbors, the thing speaks for itself.

Israel’s existence is a fight based on its location, always has been, always will be, fair, unfair, it is what it is
My complaint wasn't about fairness, it was about how ahistorical your post was. That they allegedly "decided" to put a rich country among poor countries, when actually they were, at the time, the poorest in the area, so poor nobody really ever wanted the land until they figured out farming techniques to make it work. Likewise, those other countries, by all rights, should be rich, because they have great natural resources. So you were just painting what is basically a completely ahistorical picture to justify some weird need you have to decide that, or all countries in the world, Israel just shouldn't be where they are.
 

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My complaint wasn't about fairness, it was about how ahistorical your post was. That they allegedly "decided" to put a rich country among poor countries, when actually they were, at the time, the poorest in the area, so poor nobody really ever wanted the land until they figured out farming techniques to make it work. Likewise, those other countries, by all rights, should be rich, because they have great natural resources. So you were just painting what is basically a completely ahistorical picture to justify some weird need you have to decide that, or all countries in the world, Israel just shouldn't be where they are.

I posted the link to the numbers.

Being a “have” around “have nots” especially when they all share a different, and violent, religion than you, you got a uphill battle.

Doesn’t matter how you became a “have”, just like if there was a white family in a black ghetto, the son invents something, now they have stacks of cash and still live in said ghetto, similar result on a smaller scale.
 

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I posted the link to the numbers.

Being a “have” around “have nots” especially when they all share a different, and violent, religion than you, you got a uphill battle.

Doesn’t matter how you became a “have”, just like if there was a white family in a black ghetto, the son invents something, now they have stacks of cash and still live in said ghetto, similar result on a smaller scale.
Right, so because they have prospered they should now pay the price for it? Cool, cool. Do you feel this way about any other countries? Think maybe they shouldn't exist, or shouldn't exist where they are, or does Israel have this special place in your heart?
 
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Right, so because they have prospered they should now pay the price for it? Cool, cool. Do you feel this way about any other countries? Think maybe they shouldn't exist, or shouldn't exist where they are, or does Israel have this special place in your heart?

Que?

Things make much more sense if you lose the word “should” “fair” “good” “evil” etc from your vocabulary when it comes to such matters.

It is what it is
 

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Que?

Things make much more sense if you lose the word “should” “fair” “good” “evil” etc from your vocabulary when it comes to such matters.

It is what it is
Good argument.
 

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    Protest at the homes of these policy makers.

    Educate your own damn kids on their rights and things like jury nullification

    Don’t think the government is the solution to your every problem

    Eat better and exercise, stop eating sugar, using Walmart, Facebook, stop watching the news and go outside.

    Stuff like that
    Already do all of these things.
     

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    Most people don’t give a shit and are lazy.
    Why would anyone give a shit? Look at what happens when you try to really press someone to demonstrate their experience on here. The lynch mob shows up and the insults start flying. The penalty for knowing what you're talking about and trying to share it is too steep for most. The older I get, the more I realize that no matter how flawed a life someone is leading... they don't want to hear suggestions on how to make it better from ANYONE.
     
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    Why would anyone give a shit? Look at what happens when you try to really press someone to demonstrate their experience on here. The lynch mob shows up and the insults start flying. The penalty for knowing what you're talking about and trying to share it is too steep for most. The older I get, the more I realize that no matter how flawed a life someone is leading... they don't want to hear suggestions on how to make it better from ANYONE.
    That’s right. They have to want to help themselves or be open to things to begin with!
     

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    1hr 23minutes of divisive left wing propaganda.

    The voiceover refers to the United States as an "Empire." Excuse me while I go vomit.

    Documentaries like that show the truth of how horrible living conditions are for those in the Gaza strip and you do feel sorry for all the poor children who have to live through that and grow up in it.

    HOWEVER the totally ignore the REST of the truth as to why such things exist. Which is that the "leaders" of the "Palestinians" don't want peace, don't want prosperity for "their people" and don't want their children to grow up happy and care free. Power, money, control and ideology are much more important.

    Back with the Oslo Accords, the Palestinians were basically on the verge of having their own state. They had it all made to great fanfare internationally. The Israelis were even letting them openly bring in weapons for their fledgling security forces. All they had to do was stick to the agreement and not try to murder all the Jews and they would have been good to go & before long would have actually had a fully recognized state.

    But did they do that... nope instead they used their freedom to build up a terror network, used their concrete to build tunnels and bunkers, used all the hundreds of millions of dollars of aid to buy weapons and pad private bank accounts.

    Then they went back to trying to kill Jews.

    All those hard militarized borders were put in place because the "Palestinians" were sneaking across and murdering / kidnapping Jews.
    Now granted it was not all of them, only a few, BUT the population quietly acquiesced to allowing the terror networks to run their place and voting for Hamas as their leaders so such is life.

    The Gaza strip needs to get closed down and the people there given another place to live that is NOT within Israel as that will not work.

    If I was being some brutal global dictator, I'd probably suggest something along the lines of taking Sinai from the Egyptians and giving it to the "Palestinians" as the new "Palestine" and move the folks from the Gaza Strip and the west bank there and have Israel pay build out the infrastructure in return for the Gaza strip and the west bank now being prime real estate. Everybody would hate the idea, but that's the only kind of thing that would actually have a chance of stopping the trouble.
    (I think I read somewhere in some Holy Book that the next brutal global dictator will try something similar and fail like 3 times in a row or such)...

    An interesting TV show that I think people should watch is the Israeli series "Fauda" which is on Netflix as while it's produced by die hard Zionists (they are proud of it in their interviews), it is a very evenly balanced look at the issue and hatreds from both sides, so much that even the Hamas guys apparently watch it and such as well since their side is portrayed decently. It basically shows the never ending blood feud from both sides.
     

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    Documentaries like that show the truth of how horrible living conditions are for those in the Gaza strip and you do feel sorry for all the poor children who have to live through that and grow up in it.

    HOWEVER the totally ignore the REST of the truth as to why such things exist. Which is that the "leaders" of the "Palestinians" don't want peace, don't want prosperity for "their people" and don't want their children to grow up happy and care free. Power, money, control and ideology are much more important.

    Back with the Oslo Accords, the Palestinians were basically on the verge of having their own state. They had it all made to great fanfare internationally. The Israelis were even letting them openly bring in weapons for their fledgling security forces. All they had to do was stick to the agreement and not try to murder all the Jews and they would have been good to go & before long would have actually had a fully recognized state.

    But did they do that... nope instead they used their freedom to build up a terror network, used their concrete to build tunnels and bunkers, used all the hundreds of millions of dollars of aid to buy weapons and pad private bank accounts.

    Then they went back to trying to kill Jews.

    All those hard militarized borders were put in place because the "Palestinians" were sneaking across and murdering / kidnapping Jews.
    Now granted it was not all of them, only a few, BUT the population quietly acquiesced to allowing the terror networks to run their place and voting for Hamas as their leaders so such is life.

    The Gaza strip needs to get closed down and the people there given another place to live that is NOT within Israel as that will not work.

    If I was being some brutal global dictator, I'd probably suggest something along the lines of taking Sinai from the Egyptians and giving it to the "Palestinians" as the new "Palestine" and move the folks from the Gaza Strip and the west bank there and have Israel pay build out the infrastructure in return for the Gaza strip and the west bank now being prime real estate. Everybody would hate the idea, but that's the only kind of thing that would actually have a chance of stopping the trouble.
    (I think I read somewhere in some Holy Book that the next brutal global dictator will try something similar and fail like 3 times in a row or such)...

    An interesting TV show that I think people should watch is the Israeli series "Fauda" which is on Netflix as while it's produced by die hard Zionists (they are proud of it in their interviews), it is a very evenly balanced look at the issue and hatreds from both sides, so much that even the Hamas guys apparently watch it and such as well since their side is portrayed decently. It basically shows the never ending blood feud from both sides.
    no pity whatsoever, fk them. I would napalm the whole fking area
     

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    Here's something I think some of you need to watch. It's interesting, to say the least.

    Fuck your propaganda.

    They even hide behind their kids in fucking videos, and when they do get money, they spend it on arms to launch at civilians.

    Did you catch that video clip of Israel warning the people of a pending strike where the guy responded that if the children there had to die, they'd die?

    How many of these idiots died from their OWN rockets this time around?

    And so to recap, FUCK your propaganda.
     

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    Speaking of propaganda, this is a good article about what is going on with brainwashing Jewish youth to hate Israel right now. It is interesting mostly because it is very close to what they are trying to do brainwashing kids to hate the US, the Israel version is just several years ahead. And it is effective...

     

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    regardless of my opinion of this topic, i do find something very interesting that appears to defy traditional logic. i am certainly no expert on this topic,...but.

    i have recently read that...

    if you support Israel, you are a white nationalist...

    seems a bit odd given the historical references to such labeling. but then again not, considering blm and the likes are publically supporting the palestinians.

    perhaps its the propensity of white christians to support Israel? imo, its certainly deeper than basic "opposition to oppression" theme.

    this 180 is quite interesting...

    2 birds with one stone.
     

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    regardless of my opinion of this topic, i do find something very interesting that appears to defy traditional logic. i am certainly no expert on this topic,...but.

    i have recently read that...

    if you support Israel, you are a white nationalist....

    seems a bit odd given the historical references to such labeling. but then again not, considering blm and the likes are publically supporting the palestinians.

    perhaps its the propensity of white christians to support Israel? imo, its certainly deeper than basic "opposition to oppression".

    this 180 is quite interesting...
    It's not, it is easy to understand. Think of intersectionality and how it basically scores groups as to their oppression level. Jews are, apparently*, in conflict with American blacks, who are extremely high on the intersectionality scale, and also with Muslims, who also have a very high intersectionality rating. That means that, in almost all circumstances, if you are looking at an oppressor/oppressed situation involving Jews, the Jew is the oppressor, and thus if you support the Jew, and especially the Israeli Jew, you support oppression, and are therefore, a white supremecist. It is absolutely their logic, and it is consistent as hell. Crazy but consistent.

    * Jews are constantly at a loss as to why we are in conflict with blacks. But we are.
     

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    It's not, it is easy to understand. Think of intersectionality and how it basically scores groups as to their oppression level. Jews are, apparently*, in conflict with American blacks, who are extremely high on the intersectionality scale, and also with Muslims, who also have a very high intersectionality rating. That means that, in almost all circumstances, if you are looking at an oppressor/oppressed situation involving Jews, the Jew is the oppressor, and thus if you support the Jew, and especially the Israeli Jew, you support oppression, and are therefore, a white supremecist. It is absolutely their logic, and it is consistent as hell. Crazy but consistent.

    * Jews are constantly at a loss as to why we are in conflict with blacks. But we are.
    because liberal fake jews exploit the black people and do anything to prevent them from gaining independence from handouts.
     

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    because liberal fake jews exploit the black people and do anything to prevent them from gaining independence from handouts.
    Honestly, stop it. There are no such thing as fake Jews. Leave it for a time when Jews aren't being beaten in the streets. And the reasoning is trash anyway.
     

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    ok, then all jews?

    who is at the top of the income scale, exploiting those at the bottom?
    You sound like a damn communist right now. The animosity between blacks and Jews is pretty well understood, I was saying it tongue in cheek.
     

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    You sound like a damn communist right now. The animosity between blacks and Jews is pretty well understood, I was saying it tongue in cheek.
    what does peddling porn and prescription drugs have to do with communism or democracy?
     

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    what does peddling porn and prescription drugs have to do with communism or democracy?
    I'm happy to discuss with you why you hate Jews, but you are pretty far from the generally accepted reasons for the animosity between Jews and Blacks. But carry on...
     

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    I'm happy to discuss with you why you hate Jews, but you are pretty far from the generally accepted reasons for the animosity between Jews and Blacks. But carry on...
    lol, i love the jewish people i know...i even like you sometimes...
    but as i said many times, it must be up to conservative jews to do something about liberal jews, because any criticism of anyone that happens to be jewish is automatically labeled as anti-semitism.

    who do you think this guy is referring to?

    kSem6Ja.png
     

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    lol, i love the jewish people i know...i even like you sometimes...
    but as i said many times, it must be up to conservative jews to do something about liberal jews, because any criticism of anyone that happens to be jewish is automatically labeled as anti-semitism.

    who do you think this guy is referring to?

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    I can assure you that Malcolm X, who may be right, and may in fact be talking about Jews (though I do not know), does not represent most of the historical context for this animosity. To put this silly argument to rest, if American Blacks really hated most the white people who offer them the most welfare etc politically, then why do they keep voting for Democrats? No need to answer, it is a definitive refutation of your theory.

    As far as tropes being anti-semitic or not, you may have a point that some Jews believe that things that are not anti-semitic are. I think if you read my responses to a lot of the posts over the last several days, you will see that this is not my tendency. However, just because they are not all anti-semitic conspiracies does not mean that some are not. I generally choose not to point them out, except when they are as outrageous as what Maggot has posted, but all the shit about listing Jewish names, going on and on about owning the media and controlling the banks, well, I will just say that many, perhaps most, people see that stuff as over the line, as opposed to some of the complaints and questions as to whether Jews are idiots for being generally against self defense and for policies that hurt them. I guess if you want to know what should probably be avoided, I'd break out my copy of Mein Kampf and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and I'd avoid the shit they go on about in there.

    Hope that helps.
     

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    ok, then all jews?

    who is at the top of the income scale, exploiting those at the bottom?

    The Global Elites who have long used race in this country to divide and conquer.
    You'll notice they do it very effectively today.

    You don't even need to be part of the Global Elites, just look at the DemonRat party, they are busy exploiting race hatred to make the very people they enslaved, oppressed, hated and still look down on, think they are some kind of saviours...
     
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    lol, i love the jewish people i know...i even like you sometimes...
    but as i said many times, it must be up to conservative jews to do something about liberal jews, because any criticism of anyone that happens to be jewish is automatically labeled as anti-semitism.

    who do you think this guy is referring to?

    kSem6Ja.png

    We had a pretty good object lesson in that and it didn't really involve the "Jews" at all.
    Look at 2020 and all the BLM/Antifa mess.

    Rich, Elite White Democrats run cities unopposed for 50+ years
    Their democrat controlled police get busted for wrongdoing.
    Democrat supporting white SJW people start violent, deadly, destructive riots all over the country, under the cover of "Black Lives," where most of the actual violence and property destruction is being done, instigated and led by.... Whites who support the democrats.
    All to attack the conservatives while blaming all the violence and destruction on the blacks.
    White democrats get what they wanted and get their people in power and... nice knowing you to all the darker skinned folks they claimed to support....
     
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    And yet look who Jews vote for, for a long time they choose to vote very blue, and the blacks do the same as well, very strange.

    A dem will go on camera and say blacks are too stupid to have, or know how to get, a ID. Blacks will vote for them.

    In NY they legit rounded up Jews during covid, killed tons of small businesses, and they will still vote Democrat.

    Strange culture if you ask me.
     

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    And yet look who Jews vote for, for a long time they choose to vote very blue, and the blacks do the same as well, very strange.

    A dem will go on camera and say blacks are too stupid to have, or know how to get, a ID. Blacks will vote for them.

    In NY they legit rounded up Jews during covid, killed tons of small businesses, and they will still vote Democrat.

    Strange culture if you ask me.
    Nobody did, but the jews you are referring to in NY were orthodox, which is a very republican, and especially pro trump group. Other jews don't really like them. Of course they are often the ones beaten because they still live in poor communities and look Jewish, which kind of puts the lie to this whole idea of attacking jews because they are liberals or have so much power lol.
     

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    Nobody did, but the jews you are referring to in NY were orthodox, which is a very republican, and especially pro trump group. Other jews don't really like them. Of course they are often the ones beaten because they still live in poor communities and look Jewish, which kind of puts the lie to this whole idea of attacking jews because they are liberals or have so much power lol.

    First they came for the Jews and I didn’t do anything because...oh wait, well, see, uh, I had a dinner date and they weren’t exactly the same type of Jews, so yeah lol

    You could run a KKK guy and a mini hitler as Dems against any republican and they’d get a ton of the black and Jewish vote, it’s a odd thing
     
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    First they came for the Jews and I didn’t do anything because...oh wait, well, see, uh, I had a dinner date and they weren’t exactly the same type of Jews, so yeah lol
    I'm not justifying it. I am explaining it. I mean, your ignorance in all things in this thread is literally astonishing, but now it can be a little less.
     

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    I'm not justifying it. I am explaining it. I mean, your ignorance in all things in this thread is literally astonishing, but now it can be a little less.

    So what am I “ignorant” on (always a bad sign when people use that word), so you’re saying Jews don’t often vote blue? Blacks don’t often vote blue? Or Orthodox Jews arnt actually Jews?

    Please help me be less “ignorant”

    Please point out where my logic was off on this thread, copy paste and debunk, if I’m wrong I’m big enough to admit it if proven so, right now we just have

     

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    So what am I “ignorant” on (always a bad sign when people use that word), so you’re saying Jews don’t often vote blue? Blacks don’t often vote blue? Or Orthodox Jews arnt actually Jews?

    Please help me be less “ignorant”
    I'm sure it is a bad sign you are used to. Your original premise was "oh my jews are weird because they were rounded up during covid and still voted blue." Your ignorance was not understanding that that group of jews is passionately red, so premise blown. Then I explained that there is a schism between sects, as in many religions, that is confrontational. I never said they weren't real jews. In fact I have said the whole fake jew premise is inherently offensive. Then you go on with Martin niemoller which is often the refuge for people like you.

    I mean I am pretty ignorant about Christianity but I don't go around trying to call out all the shit I don't understand. It would be unseemly, though you do do that too...

    So yeah, ignorant or stupid or uneducated or whatever. That's you baby.
     

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    I'm sure it is a bad sign you are used to. Your original premise was "oh my jews are weird because they were rounded up during covid and still voted blue." Your ignorance was not understanding that that group of jews is passionately red, so premise blown. Then I explained that there is a schism between sects, as in many religions, that is confrontational. I never said they weren't real jews. In fact I have said the whole fake jew premise is inherently offensive. Then you go on with Martin niemoller which is often the refuge for people like you.

    I mean I am pretty ignorant about Christianity but I don't go around trying to call out all the shit I don't understand. It would be unseemly, though you do do that too...

    So yeah, ignorant or stupid or uneducated or whatever. That's you baby.

    A swing and a miss.

    There is literally nothing you said right there that put into dispute anything I said, heck I said the same thing, I mentioned it’s funny how orthodox JEWS will get the full dick of NYC and non orthodox JEWS will vote for the people who dicked them over.

    And please copy paste where I said anything about “fake Jews”
     

    Choid

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    A swing and a miss.

    There is literally nothing you said right there that put into dispute anything I said, heck I said the same thing, I mentioned it’s funny how orthodox JEWS will get the full dick of NYC and non orthodox JEWS will vote for the people who dicked them over.

    And please copy paste where I said anything about “fake Jews”
    I think you can read for yourself. You never said Orthodox Jews in the first place, and you said that I said Orthodox weren't real Jews. Now on your way.
     

    TurboTrout

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    I think you can read for yourself. You never said Orthodox Jews in the first place, and you said that I said Orthodox weren't real Jews. Now on your way.

    I initially said Jews, Orthodox Jews are obviously Jews, my point stands.

    The fact that one flavor of Jews will watch the other get completely fucked by the government, and still vote for that same type of government, well that’s pretty fucking sad