No one has said anything about newly licensed engineers.
Okay I’ll give that. Point was though, if a licensed electrician was doing it, and permits were pulled it would have been inspected, and would have been much less likely to have ever gotten by and not had to rely on the welder to catch the fuck up.
I think I found the problem. NO engineer could have had the foresight to design for that.
Is there any math involved?
I don't know you, what you do, what your about, but I am not sure you understand how this works. Do you think the stamp/seal on a drawing is the person that actually designs things? That is not how it works. In an office of 10-50 employees with half licensed engineers, only one or two actually seal a drawing. If they have time, they might actually look at it before they seal it, but not usually. The guy with 10-30 years experience that may or may not be licensed is the one doing the design and managing projects. The seal, is the guy that carries the liability insurance, he typically has his name on the door, signs checks, plays with book keeping shit all day, chats and drums up business, but he doesn't design shit! He hasn't much of a clue as to what is actually going on with a design, he just puts his seal on it when it is ready to be sent out the door. That is how it works.
that has not been my experience at any company ive worked for.
You mean the bridge that collapsed due to woefully inadequate maintenance?
It was overloaded and the gusset plates failed at the time it collapsed.
exactly, and thats why without knowing what he wrote, and how he represented himself....this thread is pure speculation.
This is not false.
Ive been a PE for 25 years and never once have I signed/sealed a document in that time frame. Except my own house design. More than one company for experience. Over 100 of times I have sent out stamped/sealed drawings by those carrying the liabaility insurance, without so much as a glance. Maybe it's the difference between the trades. I am in the architectural design field....buildings, industrial, pharma, education, etc. Same holds true for the designers around me that don't hold a PE. It's just the way it works. When your one of a few that holds the reigns, there is just no way you have time to review everything with your seal on it. I would like to say it unique to here, but everywhere I have been. And I am not talking about small projects, couple of these have been in the $300 million range. It's like saying Zuckerberg hits the ban button on the violators.
...you are mistaken...
www.northstatelawfirm.com Are you trolling now or are you just unable to read?
Me too....I have to tuck my long Johnson into my right shoe every morning just to keep it out of my way, so there its settled. Mine is longer! Carry on with explaining how engineering works.....
Ok it's clear you are just a moron and are trying to argue a completely different point than what the thread was about.
That’s basic physics. I have a chemistry degree and actually tested products for a commercial filtration company. I went to all 3 major car manufacturers, calculated the viscosity and flow rates to help design pumps for primer bathes filters. At other customers I had to find issues with catylists and flow rates with back pressure clean outs applying my lab tested principles to recommend backflow psi and schedules with filtration change outs recommendations. isolating catylysts or foreign compounds was by far the hardest part of the job(liability situations due to our products failing). calculating Flow rates, simple soil absorption rates and average rainfall vs heavy flow; with grade elevation and runoff principles I studied in biogeography = piece of cake vs adding the heat coefficient from 4 compounds and it’s effects upon my filter. Have you ever seen 400 level chemistry equations? I’m just a lowly bachelors guy and could guarantee you drainage Would be the easiest thing a chemist would ever encounter. This man is an engineer at that so his background is designing chemicals to be applied after I tell him my small lab formula. Think of any product and how it is applied is what they do. Like say a water pump and drainages system for lets just go with the chemical compound H2O. Who knew we studied water and it’s flow rates, turbidity and viscosity. Want to know how a corrugated pipe impedes flow rate of H2O vs smooth bore ask a chemical engineer. full disclosure I haven’t done chemistry in 20 years. I took comp 1 and 2 the same semester and my absorption rate was minimal at best. Sorry for the grammar issues.
Yes but the whole purpose of this thread was that this guy is being sued to "shut him up" because he "made the state look bad" and that his "1A rights are being violated unjustly"
Don't you ever get tired of arguing your points? I see you do it a lot. It seems like a lot of work on your part, when most people just shrug off what you post and forget about it the miinute they log out. I don't know that I see any enjoyment in that. Why is it that everyone that has an opposing view of yours is a moron, a dipshit or whatever demeaning words you drum up? This all seem exhausting and raising of blood pressure to me. I guess we all do what we do. I am guessing you feel some internal satisfaction if you feel you win an argument? You know you don't, right?
The pit is where I come to vent all my frustration I cannot vent during the day.
Mechanical engineers are able in many states to provide designs for "engineer designed structures" usually things like sheds.
www.strongtowns.org All licensed P.E. engineers think that way because it supports occupational closure. It protects their high wages and societal status. That is not really shocking or unusual if you think about it.
Your chasing a narrowly tailored argument though. The broader problem is that title and license laws for engineering have been around since the 1920s and most challenges have resulted in failure. For those us not blessed with a license to practice law or the resource of having a good lawyer on hand, we are best off staying away for the mere threat of the big legal stick the state engineering board can wave.
This is the truth, have been in the construction business all my life and remember many times I have have looked at drawings and just went WTF are these arch/engineers thinking this shit is not going to work. Does it need to be changed, yes am I going to change shit without some engineers stamp on it F--- no, if anything were to happen no matter what the cause some court will look at you and say you changed this without approval you're screwed.
What's at issue here is a retired engineer didn't follow the laws of his state.
