I built these 2 guns a couple of months ago the grendel had an issue with the bolt but after I got everything up and running it turned out to be a tac driver. Been using it to shoot clays laid up on the backstop at 600 yds. It's pretty much a cheapo built with the Odin bcg/barrel combo package. Without the scope and bipod I don't think I spent 1000 bucks on it. I haven't fired the Creedmoor yet but have high hopes for it. It has a JP drive chain except for a standard buffer setup.