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Kabooms - How often do they really happen?

mstang1988

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I've recently been looking into reloading and it all sounds great with saving cost by reloading brass etc but a recent kaboom on AR15 from usaammo got me concerned. How often do kabooms happen and how often are they catastrophic?

I know I'm comfortable with the parts I can control such as using correct power, correct charge, etc but worry about things like brass fatigue and other hard to detect issues. When the brass does fatigue and you get case head separation or a similar scenario how bad is the kaboom? does it ruin the firearm, ruin the firearm and the user?
 
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Man thats really hard to say. If theres a KABOOM it could easily hurt you and the rifle. You just need to pay real close attaintion to your weapon and how it fires/sounds/and feels, any thing out of the norm stop and check it out. look down the barrel (make sure you clear all ammo from rifle) for light or a stuck round. Check your chamber, keep your brass in check if the brass has split cases stop there don't fire anymore and check your brass for the problem. I've reloaded many a rounds and have had only one case head seperattion, which was my fualt I had a chance to stop shooting cause I seen the head trying to seperate on a few rounds before I got one stuck in the chamber.

Get with someone thats reloaded for a while and have them show you how to check your brass for any problems. I check mine with a spring steel wire and if I feel any thing with the wire I'l take my dremal tool and cut the caes long wises and look at the inside.
 
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I've been reloading a LOOONG time and not only haven't had a blow up, I haven't seen or even heard of any in my area. That said, I do see the photos but don't know of anyone keeping statistics so what I don't know of could be a lot. Anyway, as a rough rule of thumb, I suspect we get a KABOOM about as fast as some half-baked new guy starts thinking he knows more than anyone else and begins trying to 'load 'em hot.'
 
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Normally, brass fatigue that leads to a separation or a split does not cause a kaboom. Loading too hot or a barrel obstruction is what causes kabooms.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rookie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Normally, brass fatigue that leads to a separation or a split does not cause a kaboom. Loading too hot or a barrel obstruction is what causes kabooms.</div></div>
Ok, that's good to know. That was my worry. What impacts do separations and splits have on the firearm? In parallel I'm going to google this.
 
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What impacts do separations and splits have on the firearm?

When the head separation happened to me it was just a stuck case in the chamber with the head only coming out when I racked the bolt. The local gumsmith charged me $40 to remove it and make me a spring steel feller rod to check my brass with.

Have had the case mouth split on pistol brass and not know it happen until I was in the stage of depriming them and seen the split then the brass just get tossed into the trash or recycle bin and move on to the next peice.
 
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Get you some reloading manuals (lyman cuase they don't sell bullets) and read them carefully. Try to remember what the photos and text tell you about signs to watch out for. When you see the signs check your brass out it may just be that piece but it may be the whole lot is ready to be replaced.
 
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I had a kaboom in an XD that was a brass failure. It blew out at the feed ramp. Damaged the frame and springfield fixed it for $60 shipped. It was marked HP 90. Unknown brass with an unknown history.
 
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Only Kaboom I ever had was more of a FFFFFfFSSSSSSSHHHHHIT, when I was working up a load for a 243. I grabbed the wrong rifle (it was a twin rifle in 300 Win Mag, and the 243 was built on a long action)). The 243 round chambered fine, but failed to fire when I squeezed the trigger, I recocked the bolt and............... FFFFFfFSSSSSSSHHHHHIT. I pulled the bolt back and pulled out a mangled and split piece of 243. I then realized I had grabbed the wrong rifle....a total no excuse rookie error. That said, the rifle was unharmed, and still shoots well.
My rifles are all marked well now.......
 
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I've never had any problems in 30+ years of reloading. Of the few Kabooms I've heard about, I'd agree with Rookie that usually it's a case of a load that's too hot or an obstruction. Somebody did something dumb. If anything seems out of the ordinary, stop! Check it out. Thoroughly. That starts at the loading bench and continues until the round is fired. Work up to max loads. Back off and work up again every time you change something.

I might add that out-of-battery ignitions (ammo touches off before the bolt is fully locked) have been on the rise with the growing popularity of gas guns over the last couple decades. Those can ruin your day. Usually that traces back to sloppiness in loading or gun maintenance (primer not seated deep enough, slam fires from dirty bolt or broken firing pin that went unnoticed, etc). You won't have those issues with a bolt gun. Auto-loaders tend to have unique issues particular to each type of gun. If you get a service-type rifle, learn all you can about its idiosyncrasies. M14s eat brass for breakfast, for instance.

Using somebody else's brass can be real problematic. I did it myself when I was starting but I was either lucky or paid close attention to the right things. It's one thing if you see a guy throwing new brass on the ground; it's something else if they left brass on the ground because it was worn out. If you buy once-fired, you need to make sure it comes from a reliable vendor, and even then there's a good chance that military cases were fired in a machine gun thus shortening their life.

With good loading techniques, especially proper headspacing, you can get a long life out of most brass in most bolt guns. Poor techniques will shorten case life and encourage separations. There are threads here about how they occur and how to prevent them. Read all you can and ask questions. With knowledge comes confidence and fun.
 
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It's pretty hard to have an actual blowup with a rifle as long as you are using the bullet you THINK you are, and the powder you THINK you are. For example, with a 308 using Varget, a typical case will only hold 50ish grains. If you accidentally charge with 50 grains and loaded a 210gr matchking, I dont think the gun would blow up. The bolt would be locked for sure, but I dont think it would blow. In most cases, rifle cases can't be overcharged much with an application correct powder. Pistol cases on the other hand can often hold a double/triple/quadruple charge...which will be absolutely catastrophic!

Now, if you accidentally loaded the wrong powder in a rifle case (pistol powder), youll blow up for sure. I shudder to think what would happen in a 308 with 45gr of Titegroup!!!!

Not to say it CAN'T happen, but a CHS is generally not going to hurt your rifle or you. Modern guns are designed to vent the gas AWAY from you.
 
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The writer who came up with the word "kaboom" to mean gun failure, is Dean Speir. If you search his web site, "the gun zone" you may find him quoting me about case support.

With a Glock 40 S&W with terrible case support, I welded up the feed ramp intrusion and shot double loads, without consequence, other than horrific recoil. 15.5 gr 800X 200 gr is over double max load for 40sw and it is max load for 44 mag. Yet I can shoot it in a 40 barrel with good case support. Working up a load in a handgun with poor case support and ignoring the pressure sign of a guppy belly case bulge, and keep working up anyway, can result in case failure that sends pieces of the pistol in different directions at dangerous velocities.

A good reference for gun failures is P. O. Ackley's book "Handbook for Shooters and Reloaders Volume II" 1966 page 23 to 44, "A few causes of blowups"

1) Obstruction
2) Overloading
3) Wrong powder
4) Wrong ammo
5) Soft brass
6) Double charges
7) Faulty chambering
8) Faulty barrel design
9) Faulty cartridge design
10) Faulty gun alterations
11) Detonation
 
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Only "kaboom" I ever personally witnessed was with a shotgun and was due to gross negligence. Guy loaded his cases way more times then he should have and they looked ugly; bulges, cracks, etc. He didn't seem to care and ignored many polite warnings. One night, while trap shooting, his gun when "kaboom" and it was pretty bad. It was a Browning Citori over/under. We believe that the wad somehow turned sideways in the bore and caused an obstruction, but no way to be sure. The gun stayed together, but we needed to bend it around a steel pole to get the action open which had expanded dramatically. It also split the bottom barrel. The shooter was lucky. He got off with only a broken colar bone due to the enormous recoil. Could have been much worse.
 
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I've seen one kaboom of a M1A being fired right next to me. The guy had reloaded the brass one too many times. The primer pocket was stretched and a primer fell out during extraction. The next cartridge chambered but the loose primer prevented to bolt lugs from going into battery. The cartridge fired with the bolt not locked up. The rifle blew in half with the force coming down the magazine. Since we were standing the shooter had his left gloved hand under the mag. He took some metal in the hand.

The force and damage to the SA M1A was amazing.
 
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A guy shooting next to me blew up a AR-10 last weekend. Cut his lip pretty bad. I think the bolt hit him. It was laying on the ground.

It blew the receiver up. The casing blew in half with half of it wielded in the chamber.

The range officer said that he was loading way to hot. And that was the second one he blew up.

I'm new to reloading. I think if you pay attention to your brass and go by the book you will be fine. At least I hope so.

 
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I've only had one 'kaboom' and one 'fffssssSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTT'.

The 'kaboom' was due to overpriming in a .22 that was under a recall. I didn't find out till after the fact. Federal took care of me well. I've never seen a bolt-action .22 open up like that so much, at the chamber.

The other was a 'case-head separation' of my father's reloads I was shooting. He now checks and culls his brass much better.
 
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I have only been reloading for the last 15 years, not quite an old timer yet...
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Only Kaboom I was around was with a Frenchie MAS bolt gun that was "rechambered" to 308 by the angry beavers at Century Arms. 3rd round downrange with the "re issued" rifle had a case head separation. Blew the mag well out, and actually bent the beefy milled receiver. My brother got a small burn and scratch on his support arm from the mag well blow out....

A bit bummed cause I kindof liked that doglegged surrender monkey rifle..... When I saw one chambered in 308, I thought it was a match in heaven, well until that 3rd round anyways...
 
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Moderate over pressure blows the web of the case out leaving the rifle undamaged with the mag innards blown out the bottom of the mag. Some gas back in the face of the shooter occurs when this happens.

I've had this happen multiple times in multiple rifles.

It is a thin line between this moderate overpressure and the really bad kabooms. The really bad ones usually involve liquifying the case, causing it to lose all integrity. That's when metal parts other than the mag start flying around.

Get a CED chronograph and work your velocity up using good loading data from the powder or bullet makers and you'll not have to worry about kabooms, assuming you have good reloading practices. A lightly charged case (bridged powder not caught) can have a secondary ignition and me as dangerous as an over charge.
 
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Popped a fair number of primers on hot days with excessive loads. Extractors were toast; otherwise, the rifles weathered the experience well enough.

This is one reason why I prefer to use a single feed follower. One round going kablooie is plenty.

In twenty-some years, I have only witnessed one serious failure. Best we could figure, a handloaded round needed neck trimming, but didn't get it. The bolt was damaged beyond reasonable repair. M700, .243 Win.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KHOOKS</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Check your chamber, keep your brass in check if the brass has split cases stop there don't fire anymore and check your brass for the problem. I've reloaded many a rounds and have had only one case head seperattion, which was my fualt I had a chance to stop shooting cause I seen the head trying to seperate on a few rounds before I got one stuck in the chamber.

Get with someone thats reloaded for a while and have them show you how to check your brass for any problems. I check mine with a spring steel wire and if I feel any thing with the wire I'l take my dremal tool and cut the caes long wises and look at the inside. </div></div>

Never seen a kaboom from a case head separation or a split neck in an AR-15. The split neck goes unnoticed until you pick it up off the ground, and the separation makes a funny noise with a little bit of gas in the receiver plus a low shot on target due to the lost pressure not going in the muzzle.

Neither is kaboom territory.