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"killer" 4 years old
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What's the point of your thread title? I must have missed where the article mentions killer.
They aren't charging the kid with anything, they are suing the parents because the 4 year old played a part in the old lady's death.
What's the point of your thread title? I must have missed where the article mentions killer.
They aren't charging the kid with anything, they are suing the parents because the 4 year old played a part in the old lady's death.
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their really is no point just crazy to sue a 4 year old kid, at least i feel that way... just sharing the link thats all
their really is no point just crazy to sue a 4 year old kid, at least i feel that way... just sharing the link thats all
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's the point of your thread title? I must have missed where the article mentions killer.
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Good point. From aforementioned article "She died three months later of unrelated causes"
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's the point of your thread title? I must have missed where the article mentions killer.
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Good point. From aforementioned article "She died three months later of unrelated causes"
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I actually missed the "died of unrelated causes" though I think at that age it all relates. You have surgery at 87 and it taxes the whole body.
It is crazy to sue a 4 year old, they really have very little assets. Small savings maybe, a trike and some crappy dolls most likely.
I actually missed the "died of unrelated causes" though I think at that age it all relates. You have surgery at 87 and it taxes the whole body.
It is crazy to sue a 4 year old, they really have very little assets. Small savings maybe, a trike and some crappy dolls most likely.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They aren't charging the kid with anything, <span style="font-weight: bold">they are suing the parents because the 4 year old played a part in the old lady's death.</span> </div></div>
You replied while I was typing, feel free to delete my response.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They aren't charging the kid with anything, <span style="font-weight: bold">they are suing the parents because the 4 year old played a part in the old lady's death.</span> </div></div>
You replied while I was typing, feel free to delete my response.
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I'm sure they'll sue for all of her assets. And since most 4 year olds don't have very heavy piggy banks I'm sure that the lawyers fees that should only leave the deceased woman's estate $10 or $20k poorer...
I'm sure they'll sue for all of her assets. And since most 4 year olds don't have very heavy piggy banks I'm sure that the lawyers fees that should only leave the deceased woman's estate $10 or $20k poorer...
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Yeah, damn! Holding someone responsible for their actions...WTF! It's nuts!
Obviously the kid was the victim and should be able to sue for the trauma of hitting a pedestrian who had the temerity to walk on a public sidewalk...
Yeah, damn! Holding someone responsible for their actions...WTF! It's nuts!
Obviously the kid was the victim and should be able to sue for the trauma of hitting a pedestrian who had the temerity to walk on a public sidewalk...
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If the kid's parents own their own home they undoubtedly have homeowner's insurance. People think of their home owner's insurance as covering their dwelling from fire,etc. but there is a liability component that covers (up to what ever the policy limits) injury, to another, negligently caused by anyone in the homeowner's family that resides there. The negligent act need not occur on the homeowner's property (note that the homeowner's policy always excludes injury caused by motor vehicle....thus the insurance company gets to sell you another policy).
When I used to handle personal injury cases I once represented a guy who had been shot in a hunting accident by a 16 year old boy (he admitted that he shot at the "sound" of the "deer" walking through the brush) I told the client that he was s.o.l. unless the kid's parents owned a home. They did and he was compensated by their home owner's insurance.
Since 99% of cases like this are handled on a contingency fee basis I have to think that only a damn fool would sue a 4 year old w/o insurance. I'm not suggesting the suit isn't stupid, I'm just pointing out the fact that a 4 year old having no assets isn't necessarily determinative of whether the lady's estate ever collects a dime.
If the kid's parents own their own home they undoubtedly have homeowner's insurance. People think of their home owner's insurance as covering their dwelling from fire,etc. but there is a liability component that covers (up to what ever the policy limits) injury, to another, negligently caused by anyone in the homeowner's family that resides there. The negligent act need not occur on the homeowner's property (note that the homeowner's policy always excludes injury caused by motor vehicle....thus the insurance company gets to sell you another policy).
When I used to handle personal injury cases I once represented a guy who had been shot in a hunting accident by a 16 year old boy (he admitted that he shot at the "sound" of the "deer" walking through the brush) I told the client that he was s.o.l. unless the kid's parents owned a home. They did and he was compensated by their home owner's insurance.
Since 99% of cases like this are handled on a contingency fee basis I have to think that only a damn fool would sue a 4 year old w/o insurance. I'm not suggesting the suit isn't stupid, I'm just pointing out the fact that a 4 year old having no assets isn't necessarily determinative of whether the lady's estate ever collects a dime.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, damn! Holding someone responsible for their actions...WTF! It's nuts!
Obviously the kid was the victim and should be able to sue for the trauma of hitting a pedestrian who had the temerity to walk on a public sidewalk...
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How the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">FUCK</span></span> do you hold a 4 year old responsible for their actions?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yeah, damn! Holding someone responsible for their actions...WTF! It's nuts!
Obviously the kid was the victim and should be able to sue for the trauma of hitting a pedestrian who had the temerity to walk on a public sidewalk...
How the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">FUCK</span></span> do you hold a 4 year old responsible for their actions?
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How the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">FUCK</span></span> do you hold a 4 year old responsible for their actions? [/quote]
Same way you hold any sentient being responsible. By making sure that they understand there are consequences for improper and socially unacceptable behaviour. At what age do you believe children should learn that bad behaviour has negative consequences?
Do I agree with a lawsuit? Not necessarily. But a four year old should know that hurting others is NOT acceptable. If I hit someone when I was that age, I got an ass whuppin', and I knew I deserved it. But since the mamby pamby libs have made it nearly impossible to physically discipline kids, that puts it squarely in the purview of the law to punish the kid.
How the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">FUCK</span></span> do you hold a 4 year old responsible for their actions? [/quote]
Same way you hold any sentient being responsible. By making sure that they understand there are consequences for improper and socially unacceptable behaviour. At what age do you believe children should learn that bad behaviour has negative consequences?
Do I agree with a lawsuit? Not necessarily. But a four year old should know that hurting others is NOT acceptable. If I hit someone when I was that age, I got an ass whuppin', and I knew I deserved it. But since the mamby pamby libs have made it nearly impossible to physically discipline kids, that puts it squarely in the purview of the law to punish the kid.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Same way you hold any sentient being responsible. By making sure that they understand there are consequences for improper and socially unacceptable behaviour. </div></div>
So you give the kid a scolding and maybe no TV for the rest of the day. That's how it works at 4 years of age.
The kid has no capacity to grasp serious injuries or mortality, and certainly not lawsuits.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Same way you hold any sentient being responsible. By making sure that they understand there are consequences for improper and socially unacceptable behaviour. </div></div>
So you give the kid a scolding and maybe no TV for the rest of the day. That's how it works at 4 years of age.
The kid has no capacity to grasp serious injuries or mortality, and certainly not lawsuits.
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I think the 4 year old should sue the maker of the bike for putting such a deadly weapon in her hands. How in the hell do 4 year olds race as stated in the article? I bet they hit all of 5 mph tops. And why in the hell is court even wasting the tax dollars on such crap. This ladies and gents is a prime example why our system is AFU.
I think the 4 year old should sue the maker of the bike for putting such a deadly weapon in her hands. How in the hell do 4 year olds race as stated in the article? I bet they hit all of 5 mph tops. And why in the hell is court even wasting the tax dollars on such crap. This ladies and gents is a prime example why our system is AFU.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the 4 year old should sue the maker of the bike for putting such a deadly weapon in her hands. How in the hell do 4 year olds race as stated in the article? I bet they hit all of 5 mph tops. And why in the hell is court even wasting the tax dollars on such crap. This ladies and gents is a prime example why our system is AFU. </div></div>
+1 lets worry about a 4 year old while the boarder is wide open for illegals to cross it... gas is expensive... but those damn 4 year old racers need to be punished..
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oldgrayone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the 4 year old should sue the maker of the bike for putting such a deadly weapon in her hands. How in the hell do 4 year olds race as stated in the article? I bet they hit all of 5 mph tops. And why in the hell is court even wasting the tax dollars on such crap. This ladies and gents is a prime example why our system is AFU. </div></div>
+1 lets worry about a 4 year old while the boarder is wide open for illegals to cross it... gas is expensive... but those damn 4 year old racers need to be punished..
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Sue the building owner for not providing a safe place for the 4 year olds to play forcing them onto the , to quote'building's sidewalk', then sue the old lady's estate for allowing an obviuosly aged individual to go outside with adult assistance to provide for her safety. She was obviously negligent by not being aware of her environment, then sue the city for allowing old people to go out by themselves(negligence)...shoot, line them up and sue them all!
Sue the building owner for not providing a safe place for the 4 year olds to play forcing them onto the , to quote'building's sidewalk', then sue the old lady's estate for allowing an obviuosly aged individual to go outside with adult assistance to provide for her safety. She was obviously negligent by not being aware of her environment, then sue the city for allowing old people to go out by themselves(negligence)...shoot, line them up and sue them all!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">shoot, line them up and sue them all! </div></div>
+1000
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">shoot, line them up and sue them all! </div></div>
+1000
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: springer01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">shoot, line them up and sue them all! </div></div>
+1000 </div></div>
ya i could always use some money
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: springer01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">shoot, line them up and sue them all! </div></div>
+1000 </div></div>
ya i could always use some money
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">FUCK</span></span> do you hold a 4 year old responsible for their actions? </div></div>
Same way you hold any sentient being responsible. By making sure that they understand there are consequences for improper and socially unacceptable behaviour. At what age do you believe children should learn that bad behaviour has negative consequences?
Do I agree with a lawsuit? Not necessarily. But a four year old should know that hurting others is NOT acceptable. If I hit someone when I was that age, I got an ass whuppin', and I knew I deserved it. But since the mamby pamby libs have made it nearly impossible to physically discipline kids, that puts it squarely in the purview of the law to punish the kid. [/quote]
+1 on changing times. Just the fact you can SUE a 4 year old is enough proof of the mamby-pampy path we're on.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Noah Mercy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
How the <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">FUCK</span></span> do you hold a 4 year old responsible for their actions? </div></div>
Same way you hold any sentient being responsible. By making sure that they understand there are consequences for improper and socially unacceptable behaviour. At what age do you believe children should learn that bad behaviour has negative consequences?
Do I agree with a lawsuit? Not necessarily. But a four year old should know that hurting others is NOT acceptable. If I hit someone when I was that age, I got an ass whuppin', and I knew I deserved it. But since the mamby pamby libs have made it nearly impossible to physically discipline kids, that puts it squarely in the purview of the law to punish the kid. [/quote]
+1 on changing times. Just the fact you can SUE a 4 year old is enough proof of the mamby-pampy path we're on.
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I have two children the first one is 4 1/2 and the second 2 1/2. Children are learning all the time. They know what is right and wrong when they have been taught. However, if they have not been taught that something is wrong they just don't know it's wrong. It was an accident and the children have learned a lesson. They may have even been traumatized by the event.
Also, when they say the Estate is suing they 4 year old they should just come out and tell they truth, it's they money grubbing children of the old lady who want a pay day. They probably see this as a way of recouping some of the money that was used to pay for their mother's injuries. I bet that old lady had no animosity towards those children and knew it was just an accident. She is probably rolling over in her grave right now at the actions of her adult children.
Jamie
I have two children the first one is 4 1/2 and the second 2 1/2. Children are learning all the time. They know what is right and wrong when they have been taught. However, if they have not been taught that something is wrong they just don't know it's wrong. It was an accident and the children have learned a lesson. They may have even been traumatized by the event.
Also, when they say the Estate is suing they 4 year old they should just come out and tell they truth, it's they money grubbing children of the old lady who want a pay day. They probably see this as a way of recouping some of the money that was used to pay for their mother's injuries. I bet that old lady had no animosity towards those children and knew it was just an accident. She is probably rolling over in her grave right now at the actions of her adult children.
Jamie
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No where in that entire article does it mention the child was responsible for killing her......
So just like your spelling and grammar, your thread title fails.
No where in that entire article does it mention the child was responsible for killing her......
So just like your spelling and grammar, your thread title fails.
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