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    Thought this might be a good topic for discussion. His rules were interesting....

    If you cant shoot, RUN.

    The vidieo was instructional as well.

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    The Rules for Knife Attack Defense

    by George Wehby•October 4, 2011• 7 comments


    Over many years of martial arts training, I have seen some horrible techniques in knife attack defense. I’ve spotted well respected instructors teaching and advocating techniques that looked good against a compliant partner, but in no way would work against a knife-wielding maniac. Just the other day, I heard two guys discussing how to take on an assailant with a knife. One was talking discussing how he could kick the knife out of the bad guy’s hand, and the other said he could block the strike and then knock the attacker out. Similar conversations can be heard in and out of the self-defense community. There’s more to these situations than meets the eye quite often, and it’s good to listen to different perspectives on the subject.

    In this video, self-defense instructor Paul Vunak provides his expert opinion on knife wounds.



    Vuncak makes a great point with his beef slash demonstration. He says that simply trying to take a knife on shouldn’t be your first instinct. Matter of fact, you’ll be cut and, most likely, very badly. All techniques must take this into account. In my opinion, there is only one way to train against knife attacks (it is understood in this scenario that I do not have a firearm).

    Rule No. 1: RUN. Get as far away from the individual as possible. The good thing about knives is they have limited reach.

    Rule No. 2: If you cannot run, put a stationary object between you and the attacker. Find a car, wall, large piece of furniture….something.

    Rule No. 3: If you cannot run and there is nothing to put in between, pick something up and start swinging. Try to even up the odds, find a stick, chair or a blunt object of some kind to make him think twice about getting close.

    Rule No. 4: If the previous rules are not applicable, then follow the principles of Clear, Close, Control and Capture. Clear all your vitals from the path of the blade. Close the distance by jamming yourself super tight against them, so the attacker cannot swing or stab with the blade again. Control the arm holding the knife as close to the hand as possible. Capture the weapon by any means necessary. That means biting, clawing , striking , spitting, hitting, smashing; whatever it takes to extract it away from the attacker.

    As a good experiment, give a person a marker and tell them they can mark you up as much as possible before you take it away. See what happens. It’s often a real eye opener. Have you considered how you would handle a knife attack without a gun? What are some crazy techniques you have seen?
     
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    Ohhh boy. you had to mention the marker. gawd why do i have a feeling my friends are going to read this post and want to try this... I feel soap and a loofah coming on...
     
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    If my attacker is close enough to stab me before I can draw and shoot him, I'm probably a goner anyways. If I can draw and shoot him, I'm going to shoot him. Why would I run and take a chance that he's faster than me and might just stab me in the back?
     
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    <span style="font-weight: bold">I fear knife attacks as well. That's why I wear one of these now:</span>

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    Friend of mine I grew up with has been doing knife defense for 30+ years.

    His basic strategy is both hands on the knife arm, go to ground and hold - NOBODY can hold 180lbs very long.

    Only then can you get a good defense-offense going.

    Of course I'm sure his first defense would say "Don't stand there".

    Knives are nothing to mess around with, despite training in Martial Arts, I would NEVER want to take on a knife weilding maniac running high on meth - he's got the advantage over me...
     
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    if you go against a knife first thing to realize is you are goin to get cut, that sounds common sense but people get cut and stop fighting just go into it knowing you are goin to get cut.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NF1986</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If my attacker is close enough to stab me before I can draw and shoot him, I'm probably a goner anyways. If I can draw and shoot him, I'm going to shoot him. Why would I run and take a chance that he's faster than me and might just stab me in the back? </div></div>

    This is a simple fix... Get a friend and and airsoft gun. Have your friend stand at varied distances and holster your airsoft gun. See if he can tag you before you can draw and shoot him.

    It's harder then you think and the distance will surprise you!

    I teach Jeet Kune Do, Filipino Martial Arts, and Brazilian Jiujitsu. We teach knife offense and defense on a daily basis. MOST of your traditional defenses are great when the attacker doesn't have any idea how to use a knife but when they do... you end up dead.

    Plan on getting cut that way you are less likely to be phased by any superficial cuts.

    Sifu Paul is correct in all of his "steps". Run first and fast... if you can't run, find barrier to put between you and the attacker.... Car, Table, Broom Handle, Your Belt, ANYTHING!

    Dealing with a knife wielding attacker takes training, live training and lots of it.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Onemoretime</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
    Dealing with a knife wielding attacker takes training, live training and lots of it. </div></div>

    Well said.

    Even in training, it's still very hard and everyone, myself included, always gets hit with the marker that is painted on teh wooden blade.

    Miyomoto Musashi had some words about this:

    All things entail rising and falling timing. You must be able to discern this.

    You win battles by knowing the enemy's timing, and using a timing which the enemy does not expect.

    But first and foremost:

    Generally speaking, the Way of the warrior is resolute acceptance of death.
     
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    <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But first and foremost:

    Generally speaking, the Way of the warrior is resolute acceptance of death. </div></div>

    Great words......but I'll still avoid death every chance I get
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    Look at the armour of those who fought blade wealding opponents on a regular basis, I'm talking about samuri. Unless you plan on wearing the same amount of armour I wouldn't advise fighting a blade wielding opponent. If put in knife fight scenario, I would put as much distance between myself and the attacker while simultaneuosly drawing a weapon to finish the fight. I consider knife fighting no less dangerous than gun fighting!
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    The only rational defense to a knife wielding adversary is distance and a gun.

    Some nut took off after a Madison,WI foot beat Police Officer a couple years ago with a Samuri sword after killing a guy walking down the street and injuring another at a bus stop... he thought it was all fun and games when the Officer ran until he paused chasing him to try some slick new moves. The copper got some distance and time, stopped, and put a couple 180 grainers in his chest killing him.
     
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    I just got back from teaching a Kali class.

    We were doing some knife drills and I taught a disarm that involved placing your forearm on the flat/side of the blade.

    One of the students said, "It seems as though I might get cut doing this..." I replied, "YES, you could! You should expect to get cut, but by having edge awareness and making sure you are placing your forearm on the side of the blade EVERYTIME you will limit your exposure to being cut."

    I had one of Jeet Kune Do students tell me one day, that he hated knife training and that if he was ever confronted by a guy with a knife he would either give him whatever he wanted or he would run... I replied by saying, "Hopefully he doesn't want your wife or children or they can run as fast as you can..." He was silent for the rest of class.
     
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    Knife Crime scares me, alot.
    It's big down here in Victoria, first-gen kids of Migrants who live in the northern suburbs almost always carry blades, and law-abiding citizens like myself who just wanna go out and have a good time are left with very little defence with an under-manned police force and a justice system that never punishes these individuals.

    I've had one pulled on me before. More than once, and the only time i decided to face the attacker was because it was a brawl, and the guy was maybe 15, and half my size, and was clearly so buzzed he couldn't see straight. I also had a few mates behind me so that reduced the risk exponetially.

    The conversation came up before a night out in the city once, what we would do if we got jumped. We came to the conclusion that as we cannot carry any weapons, so our best bet would be to run, or if forced to fight, be as aggressive as possible and all jump one of our attackers, and at least incapacitate them so if the police arrived, they'd have someone to arrest and question and maybe even the odds a bit.