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Legality of Suppressors

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimsson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya I really don't need internet peoples telling me what to be doing with my college time.

I am essentially done with this thread, going to talk with the Feds/Locals.

Thanks for all the useful PMers. </div></div>

Haha you're the one that asked us kid.... grow some thick skin if you're going to hang around here.
 
Re: Legality of Suppressors

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338$</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimsson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya I really don't need internet peoples telling me what to be doing with my college time.

I am essentially done with this thread, going to talk with the Feds/Locals.

Thanks for all the useful PMers. </div></div>

Haha you're the one that asked us kid.... grow some thick skin if you're going to hang around here. </div></div>

I guess he had something to say and he said it-- on this opinion based forum...
 
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haha

I find it hilarious that people can so easily judge complete strangers. If you can predict somebody's entire future based on a few posts maybe you should look into being a judge.

And why even listen to somebody's defense, just throw 'em in the can, you obviously know what is best.
 
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Grimsson,

With your attitude you are going to have a great time in the military. You are obviously a go-getter and well ahead of your peers in maturity.

The first thing to remember about success in the military as an officer, is to grind the enlisted ranks in the grist mill and never let up. Start with the CSM and work your way down, it will make it so much easier for you not having to deal with the low level enlisted personnel. Just let the COC work for you, as you force your will down from the top.

Don't listen to all these other guys.

HTH
 
Re: Legality of Suppressors

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Photon</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimsson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well I will be an 0-1...let the officer jokes begin...</div></div>

Kind of hard to own a silencer when you're at college.... ??? </div></div>

Actually not for me. Can't really take one onto school property, but I am not living on them.

Unless there is something you are trying to imply that I am just not catching.
 
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1. You cannot "own" the suppressor. Only an adult, 21 years of age or older can own a suppressor. You are not an adult 21 years of age or older.

2. You cannot have the suppressor in your possession without the actual owner of the suppressor (Daddy, in this case) being with you at all times and having the suppressor in his custody or immediate control.

3. You cannot transport, hold, store, or do jack without your Daddy accompanying you as he would be the actual owner, otherwise known to the BATFE as the registered transferee.

The "Feds/Locals" you mentioned earlier will probably not know jack about NFA items unless they are themselves collectors. So good luck with that.
 
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Ya the ATF just said ask the locals and the locals said ask ATF...

But the weird thing is the locals thought suppressors were outright illegal - felt kind of weird telling a sheriff's office they were wrong.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fighthard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
1. You cannot "own" the suppressor. Only an adult, 21 years of age or older can own a suppressor. You are not an adult 21 years of age or older.</div></div>

You got a link to the law that says a person has to be 21 to own a silencer? While I agree with the rest of what you are saying, I think you are just making up the age requirement.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—
(1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age; </div></div>

The law prohibits dealers from transferring anything but long guns to those between 18 and 21. It does not prohibit the ATF from approving any tax stamp application submitted by someone who is 18 years old.

A search of the NFA of 1934 at http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf reveals no reference to any age requirement as far as I can tell. What do you have?

Ranb
 
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Re: Youth and HANDGUNS:

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO & FIREARMS
YOUTH HANDGUN SAFETY ACT NOTICE
ATF 1 5300.2 (7-2004)

(1) The misuse of handguns is a leading contributor to juvenile violence and fatalities.
(2) Safely storing and securing firearms away from children will help prevent the unlawful possession of handguns by juveniles, stop accidents, and save lives.


(3) Federal law prohibits, except in certain limited circumstances, anyone under 18 years of age from knowingly possessing a handgun, or any person from selling, delivering, or otherwise transferring a handgun to a person under 18.


(4) A knowing violation of the prohibition against selling, delivering, or otherwise transferring a handgun to a person under the age of 18 is, under certain circumstances, punishable by up to 10 years in prison.


FEDERAL LAW


The Gun Control Act of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, provides in pertinent part as follows:



18 U.S.C. 922(x)


(x)
(1) It shall be unlawful for a person to sell, deliver, or otherwise transfer to a person who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe is a juvenile-

(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.


(2) It shall be unlawful for any person who is a juvenile to knowingly possess-


(A) a handgun; or
(B) ammunition that is suitable for use only in a handgun.


(3) This subsection does not apply to-

(A) a temporary transfer of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile or to the possession or use of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile if the handgun and ammunition are possessed and used by the juvenile-


(i) in the course of employment, in the course of ranching or farming related to activities at the residence of the juvenile (or on property used for ranching or farming at which the juvenile, with the permission of the property owner or lessee, is performing activities related to the operation of the farm or ranch), target practice, hunting, or a course of instruction in the safe and lawful use of a handgun;

(ii) with the prior written consent of the juvenile's parent or guardian who is not prohibited by Federal, State, or local law from possessing a firearm, except-

(I) during transportation by the juvenile of an unloaded handgun in a locked container directly from the place of transfer to a place at which an activity described in clause (i) is to take place and transportation by the juvenile of that handgun, unloaded and in a locked container, directly from the place at which such an activity took place to the transferor; or
(II) with respect to ranching or arming activities as described in clause


(i), a juvenile may possess and use a handgun or ammunition with the prior written approval of the juvenile's parent or legal guardian and at the direction of an adult who is not prohibited by Federal, State or local law from possessing a firearm;

(iii) the juvenile has the prior written consent in the juvenile's possession at all times when a handgun is in the possession of the juvenile; and

(iv) in accordance with State and local law;

(B) a juvenile who is a member of the Armed Forces of the United States or the National Guard who possesses or is armed with a handgun in the line of duty;

(C) a transfer by inheritance of title (but not possession) of a handgun or ammunition to a juvenile; or

(D) the possession of a handgun or ammunition by a juvenile taken in defense of the juvenile or other persons against an intruder into the residence of the juvenile or a residence in which he juvenile is an invited guest.


(4) A handgun or ammunition, the possession of which is transferred to a juvenile in circumstances in which the transferor is not in violation of this subsection shall not be subject to permanent confiscation by the Government if its possession by the juvenile subsequently becomes unlawful because of the conduct of the juvenile, but shall be returned to the lawful owner when such handgun or ammunition is no longer required by the Government for the purposes of investigation or prosecution.
(5) For purposes of this subsection, the term "juvenile" means a person who is less than 18 years of age.
(6)


(A) In a prosecution of a violation of this subsection, the court shall require the presence of a juvenile defendant's parent or legal guardian at all proceedings.

(B) The court may use the contempt power to enforce subparagraph (A).

(C) The court may excuse attendance of a parent or legal guardian of a juvenile defendant at a proceeding in a prosecution of a violation of this subsection for good cause shown.


18 U.S.C. 924(a)(6)
 
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More on Handguns and Long Guns:
Most federal laws regulating firearms are included in Title 18 of the U.S. Code -- the Gun Control Act (GCA, 1968) as amended by various subsequent laws, including the Firearms Owners` Protection Act (1986), the Youth Handgun Safety Act (1994), the Gun-Free School Zones Act (1996) and other laws. Details on federal firearm laws are available from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. (www.atf.treas.gov)

Federal law imposes the following restrictions aimed at younger persons:

A person must be 21 years of age to purchase a handgun or handgun ammunition, and 18 years of age to buy a rifle or shotgun or ammunition, from a retail firearm dealer. (GCA, 1968)

A person under age 18 may not possess a handgun or handgun ammunition, and it is illegal for a person to provide a handgun or handgun ammunition to a person under age 18, except for target shooting, hunting, or certain other exempted purposes. (Youth Handgun Safety Act, 1994)

It is a federal felony to provide false information (such as lying about one`s age) to a firearm dealer, to deceive the dealer into selling a firearm to a person not entitled to make the purchase. (GCA, 1968)

Regardless of age it is illegal to possess a firearm on or within 1,000 feet of school property, with limited exceptions. (Gun-Free School Zones Act, 1996)



State Laws


The following is a list of additional restrictions imposed by individual states. Please note that cities and localities may have their own firearms ordinances in addition to federal and state laws. Some information on some of these laws is published in the BATF`s State Laws and Published Ordinances -- Firearms, available from the U.S. Government Printing Office, Washington, D.C. 20402 and on the web at www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/statelaws/. However, laws change, so you should always confirm the law with the appropriate federal state and local law enforcement agencies.

Alabama - It is unlawful to deliver a handgun to any person under 18.

Alaska - An unemancipated minor under 16 years of age may not possess a firearm without the consent of parent or guardian.

Arkansas - It is unlawful to sell, give, rent, or otherwise furnish a firearm to a person under 18 without the consent of a parent, guardian or other person responsible for the general supervision of the minors welfare.

Arizona - An unemancipated person under 18 not accompanied by a parent, grandparent, guardian or a certified hunter safety instructor or certified firearms safety instructor acting with consent of the minor`s parent, grandparent or guardian shall not carry or possess on his person, within his immediate control, or in or on a means of transportation a firearm in any place open to the public or on any street, highway, or on private property, except private property owned or leased by the minor or the minor`s parent, grandparent or guardian. This prohibition does not apply to a person between 14 and 17 engaged in lawful hunting, marksmanship practice, transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of hunting or, between 5:00 AM and 10:00 PM, transportation of an unloaded firearm for the purpose of marksmanship at a range or other area where the discharge of firearms is not prohibited. This law applies in counties with a population exceeding 500,000. However, counties with a lesser population, or cities and towns within such counties, may adopt an ordinance identical to this law.

California - A minor may not possess a handgun except with written permission or under the supervision of a parent or guardian.

Colorado - It is unlawful for any person under 18 to possess a handgun, and it is unlawful to provide or permit a juvenile to possess a handgun. Exceptions to this prohibition are:
1. Attendance at a hunters safety course or firearms safety course.
2. Engaging in lawful target shooting.
3. Participating in or practice for a performance by a group organized under IRA code 501(c)(3) which uses firearms as part of such performance.
4. Hunting or trapping with a valid license.
5. Traveling with an unloaded handgun to or from any activity described in subparagraphs 1 through 4 above.
6. While on real property under the control of the juveniles parent, legal guardian or grandparent and who has the permission of the parent or legal guardian to possess a handgun.
7. While at the juveniles residence and with permission of parent or legal guardian to possess a handgun for self -defense.

Connecticut - It is unlawful to sell a firearm to any person convicted of a felony, any illegal alien or any minor under the age of 18. It is unlawful to sell or transfer a handgun to any person who is forbidden to possess a handgun, or to a person under 21. However, a handgun may be temporarily transferred to a person under 21 for target shooting under the immediate supervision of a person eligible to possess a handgun and such use is otherwise permitted by law.

Washington D.C. - All rifles and shotguns must be registered with the Metropolitan Police. To obtain a registration certificate, the applicant must be 21(or be over 18 and have a liability statement signed by a guardian).

Delaware - It is unlawful for a parent to permit a child under 16 years of age to possess a firearm or air or BB gun except under the direct supervision of an adult.

Florida - It is unlawful to sell, give, lend or transfer a pistol or other arm or weapon "other than an ordinary pocketknife" to a minor under the age of 18 without a parent`s permission, or to any person of unsound mind.
It is unlawful for any dealer to sell any "pistol, Springfield rifle or other repeating rifle" to a minor.
A minor under 18 may not possess a firearm, other than an unloaded firearm at home, unless engaged in lawful activities.

Georgia - It is unlawful for any person to sell or furnish a handgun to a person under 21 years of age.

Hawaii - It is unlawful for a minor under 18 to possess a rifle or shotgun. However, a person 16 or over, and any person under 16 while accompanied by an adult, may carry and use any lawfully acquired rifle or shotgun, and suitable ammunition therefore, while engaged in hunting, or while going to and from the place of hunting, or while engaged in target shooting at a range.

Iowa - It is unlawful to sell, loan, give, or make available a rifle or shotgun or ammunition therefor to a person under 18. Caliber .22 rimfire ammunition is deemed to be rifle ammunition. However, a parent, guardian, spouse who is 18 or older, or another with the express consent of the minor`s parent or guardian or spouse who is 18 or older, may allow a minor to possess a rifle or shotgun or ammunition therefor which may be lawfully used.
It is unlawful to sell, loan, give, or make available a handgun or ammunition therefor to a person under 21. Exceptions to this prohibition are:
1. A parent, guardian, or spouse who is 21 or older, of a person less than 21 but at least 14 may allow the person to possess a handgun or ammunition therefor for any lawful purpose while under the direct supervision of the parent or guardian or spouse who is 21 or older, or while the person receives instruction in the proper use of handguns from an instructor 21 or older, with the consent of such parent, guardian or spouse.
2. A person under 21 but at least 18 may possess a handgun and ammunition therefor while on military duty, while a peace officer, security guard, or correctional officer, when such duty requires the possession of such a weapon or while the person receives instruction in the proper use of a handgun from an instructor who is 21 or older.

Idaho - It is unlawful for a child under 12 to possess any shotgun, rifle, or other firearm while in the fields or forests or in any tent, camp, auto, or any other vehicle.

Illinois - It is unlawful for any person under the age of 18 to possess a handgun or concealable firearm. A person under the age of 21 is not required to have an Firearms Owner`s Identification Card (FOI) in order to possess a firearm or ammunition while under the immediate control of a parent, guardian or other adult who has a valid FOI.

Indiana - It is unlawful for any person except a parent or guardian to sell or give a handgun to any person under 18.

Kansas - "It is unlawful for persons under 18 to possess a firearm with a barrel less than 12 inches unless such persons are: (1) in attendance at a hunter`s or firearms safety course, (2) target shooting at an established range, (3) engaging in an organized competition involving the use of such firearm or participating in or practicing for a performance by an organization exempt from federal income tax pursuant to section 501(c)(3) of the internal revenue code of 1986 which uses firearms as a part of such performance, (4) hunting or trapping with a valid license, (5) traveling to or from any activity described in (1) through (4) above with the firearm being unloaded, secured and outside immediate access, (6) on real property under control of their parents, legal guardian or grandparent, with permission to possess such firearm, or (7) at their parents` or legal guardian`s residence with permission to possess such firearm for self-defense."

Kentucky - None.

Louisiana - It is unlawful to sell firearms to minors. "Unlawful sales to minors is the selling or otherwise delivery for value by anyone over the age of seventeen of any firearm or other instrumentality customarily used as a dangerous weapon, to any person under the age of eighteen. Lack of knowledge of the minor`s age shall not be a defense."

Maine - None.

Maryland - No firearm or ammunition may be sold to any minor under the age of 18 without express parental consent.

Massachusetts - An Firearm Identification Card (FID) shall not be issued if the applicant is under 15 or is more than 15 and less than 18 and does not have parental or guardian permission.
Michigan - No rifle, shotgun or handgun may be sold to a minor under 18, a convicted felon or a person under indictment. To purchase a handgun from either a dealer or private individual, the buyer be 18, a U.S. citizen, a resident of Michigan, have no felony conviction, have never been adjudged insane (unless later restored by court order) and score 70% on a basic pistol safety review questionnaire.

Minnesota - No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun. The following may not possess a handgun or semi-automatic military style assault weapon:
1. A person under 18. But a person under 18 may carry or possess a handgun or semiautomatic military-style assault weapon in the actual presence or under the direct supervision of parent or guardian; for purpose of a military drill; for purpose of a supervised instruction, competition or target practice on a police approved firing range; or if the person has completed a course on handgun or semi-automatic military-style assault weapon marksmanship and safety approved by the Commissioner of Natural Resources.

Missouri - To obtain a handgun the buyer must produce a permit to purchase which is issued by the sheriff of the county where the applicant resides. A permit to purchase shall be issued by the sheriff if all the statements in the application are true, and the applicant:
1. is at least 21, a citizen of the U.S. and has resided in the state for at least 6 months.
2. has not been convicted of or currently charged with or indicted for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
3. is not a fugitive from justice;
4. has not been dishonorably discharged from the U.S. armed forces;
5. is not habitually in an intoxicated or drugged condition; and
6. is not currently adjudged mentally incompetent and has not been committed to a mental health facility.

Mississippi - It is unlawful for any person to sell, give or lend any firearm or pistol cartridge to any person whom he knows to be a minor or under the influence of alcohol.

Montana - It is unlawful for a parent or a guardian to permit a minor under 14 to carry or use a loaded firearm unless the minor is accompanied by the parent or guardian or under supervision of a qualified firearms safety instructor.

North Carolina - It is unlawful for any parent or guardian to permit his child under the age of 12 to possess or use "any gun," except when the child is under their direct supervision. It is unlawful for any other person to furnish any firearm to a child.

North Dakota - A person under 18 may possess a handgun only under direct adult supervision for purposes of firearm safety training, target shooting or hunting.

Nebraska - It is unlawful for any person under 18 to possess a handgun "or any other form of short-barreled hand firearm." Exempt from this prohibition are persons temporarily loaned such firearms "for instruction under the immediate supervision of a parent or guardian or adult instructor."

New Hampshire - None.

New Jersey - No person under 18 shall possess, carry, fire, or use a firearm except under the following circumstances:
1. In the actual presence or under the direct supervision of a parent or guardian, or some other person who holds a Permit to Carry or Firearm Identification Card (FID); or
2. For the purpose of military drill under the auspices of a legally recognized military organization and under competent supervision; or
3. For the purpose of competition or target practice on a firing range approved by the governing body of the municipality in which the range is located or the National Rifle Association and which is under competent supervision at the time of such supervision or target practice; or
4. For the purpose of hunting during the regularly designated hunting season, provided he possesses a valid hunting license and has successfully completed a hunter`s safety course.

New Mexico - It is unlawful for a person under 19 to possess or transport a handgun, except when the person is: (1) attending a hunter`s or handgun safety course; (2) engaged in target shooting or in organized competition; (3) legal hunting or trapping; (4) participating in or practicing for a performance by a nonprofit organization formed under I.R.S. Code § 501(c)(3); (5) traveling with an unloaded handgun to or from legalized activities; (6) on real property under the control of the under 19 person`s parent, grandparent or guardian and while under their supervision.

Nevada - A minor under 14 may not possess a firearm unless accompanied by or under the immediate charge of an adult. It is unlawful to sell to a person under 18 a firearm capable of being concealed on the person.

New York State - Generally, it is unlawful for anyone under the age of 16 to possess any firearm; however, a rifle or shotgun may be possessed by a person between the ages of 12 and 16 who is engaged in supervised target shooting on a range. A minor at least 14 years of age may hunt with any rifle or shotgun, provided he or she has a valid hunting license and is accompanied by a parent, guardian or other parentally-designated adult who also holds a valid hunting license.

New York City - Persons under 18 may not obtain a permit to possess a rifle or shotgun.

Ohio - It is unlawful to sell a handgun to a person under 21, or any firearm to a person under 18. A firearm may be furnished to a person under 18 for lawful hunting (persons 16 or over may hunt alone), instruction in firearms safety, care and handling or marksmanship under the supervision or control of a responsible adult.

Oklahoma - It is unlawful for any person under 18 to possess any weapon, except rifles or shotguns used in hunting, target shooting, or other recognized sporting event. It is unlawful to sell or give any firearm to any person under 18 years of age. Exempt from this prohibition is a parent giving his or her child a rifle or shotgun for participation in hunting, target shooting, or other recognized sporting events. It is unlawful for any parent or guardian to permit his or her child to possess any firearm if aware of a substantial risk that the child will use the weapon in a crime or if the child has been adjudicated a delinquent or convicted as an adult of any criminal offense.

Oregon - It is unlawful to sell, deliver or transfer any firearm to a minor under 18.

Pennsylvania - No seller may deliver a handgun to any person under 18.

Rhode Island - It is unlawful for a minor under 15 to possess and use any firearm or ammunition, unless he or she has a firearm permit and is at an approved rifle range or camp and is in the presence of a qualified adult. It is unlawful to sell any firearm or ammunition to a minor under 18 without the prior consent of his or her parent or guardian.

South Carolina - It is unlawful for the following persons to possess a handgun, any person under 21, but this does not apply to the temporary loan of a handgun for instruction purposes when the minor is under the immediate supervision of a parent or adult instructor, or members of the armed forces.

South Dakota - A person under 18 may not possess a pistol. This prohibition does not apply when a minor has the consent of parent or guardian and was in the presence of parent or guardian and was on premises owned or leased by the minor or a parent, guardian or immediate family member; the minor was in the presence of a licensed or accredited gun safety instructor, or was using the pistol for farming, ranching, trapping, target shooting or gun safety instruction.

Tennessee - It is unlawful to possess a handgun for persons under 18. It is unlawful to sell or transfer a handgun to any person under 18.

Texas - It is unlawful to knowingly sell, rent, give or offer to sell, rent or give any firearm to a person under 18, without the written consent of a parent or guardian.

Utah - It is unlawful for a person under 18 to possess a firearm without permission from a parent or guardian, or is accompanied by the parent or guardian. A minor under 14 must be accompanied by an adult.

Virginia - It is a crime for any person to sell, give or otherwise furnish a handgun to a minor if he has reason to believe that the buyer or recipient is under 18, unless such transfer is made between family members or for the purpose of engaging in a sporting event or activity. A person under 18 shall not possess or transport a handgun or assault firearm. This prohibition does not apply to a minor in his own home or on his property or on the property of another with prior permission, while accompanied by an adult while hunting, at a range or firearm educational class, and while transporting an unloaded firearm to and from such activities. It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to authorize a child under the age of twelve to use a firearm except when the child is under the supervision of an adult.

Vermont - It is unlawful for a child under 16, without consent of a parent or guardian, to possess or control a handgun.

Washington - A commercial firearms dealer may not deliver a pistol to a purchaser who is prevented from possessing a pistol, or who is under 21 or to one who he or she has reasonable cause to believe is a drug addict, habitual drunkard, or of unsound mind. No person shall deliver a pistol to any person under 18 or to one who he or she has reasonable cause to believe has been convicted of a felony, or who is a drug addict, an habitual drunkard or of unsound mind.

Wisconsin - lt is unlawful for a person under 18 to go armed with a handgun or for any person to sell, lend, or give a handgun to a minor. This does not apply to target shooting when the minor is under the supervision of an adult. It is unlawful for any person under 16, unless accompanied by a parent or guardian, to have in his or her possession or control any firearm. Persons between the ages of 14 and 16 who have a firearms safety certificate are exempt and may possess a firearm while alone. Those with a safety certificate who are between 12 and 14 may possess while accompanied by a parent or guardian.

West Virginia - None.

Wyoming - It is unlawful to sell a handgun to anyone under 21. It is unlawful to sell, barter, or give cartridges designed for use in a handgun to anyone under 16.
 
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My opinion? Wait til AFTER you are in the Army for a bit or until you get out (assuming 4 years and out) and then take that money you have saved up and buy yourself that nice toy you've been wanting. Think of it as a gift to yourself. You will have the money to pay for it and the money to buy a nice toy to put it on. If I had half the money I spent during my first 2 years in, I'd have a DIAS or 2 right now. Stupid strippers. With your boobs and alcohol.
 
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26 USC Sec. 5845 02/01/2010

-EXPCITE-
TITLE 26 - INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
Subtitle E - Alcohol, Tobacco, and Certain Other Excise Taxes
CHAPTER 53 - MACHINE GUNS, DESTRUCTIVE DEVICES, AND CERTAIN OTHER
FIREARMS
Subchapter B - General Provisions and Exemptions
PART I - GENERAL PROVISIONS

-HEAD-
Sec. 5845. Definitions

-STATUTE-
For the purpose of this chapter -
(a) Firearm
The term "firearm" means (1) a shotgun having a barrel or barrels
of less than 18 inches in length; (2) a weapon made from a shotgun
if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26
inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length; (3)
a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in
length; (4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified
has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels
of less than 16 inches in length; (5) any other weapon, as defined
in subsection (e); (6) a machinegun; (7) any silencer (as defined
in section 921 of title 18, United States Code); and (8) a
destructive device. The term "firearm" shall not include an antique
firearm or any device (other than a machinegun or destructive
device) which, although designed as a weapon, the Secretary finds
by reason of the date of its manufacture, value, design, and other
characteristics is primarily a collector's item and is not likely
to be used as a weapon.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As a suppressor owner: if you and your father are willing to go to federal, "pound me in the ass" prison, go for it. It is illegal as hell for a suppressor he owns to be out of his direct control, and his name and picture will be on the Form 4. Not only can you not own it, you can't possess it or transport it without him very, very close by.


When I was in college, suppressors were the last thing on my mind.

Wait till you are 21, enjoy the stupidity of youth, and try not to die from the stupidity of youth. </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimsson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya I really don't need internet peoples telling me what to be doing with my college time.

I am essentially done with this thread, going to talk with the Feds/Locals.

Thanks for all the useful PMers.

EDIT: Was not trying to be a dick to Rancid, didn't mean to come off that way at all. </div></div>

For the reading-impaired:

1. I did not "tell" you what to do with your college time, I told you I wasn't thinking about suppressors in college.

2. I told you to wait till you were 21, which is the law, so technically it weren't me "telling" you, I was informing you of the law.

3. I told you to enjoy the stupidity of youth, and you documented the stupidity of youth; and for that, I thank you.

In general, this site isn't designed for teens who want to be like Chuck Norris (or "favorite hero name here", if that makes you happier.) You asked a question of people who know MUCH more than you, and you got responses. If you don't like answers, don't ask questions.

Admittedly, I am a Marine, and the Corps ain't known for making diplomats. Since you seem to feel lots and think little, might I suggest the Peace Corps, that might be more your speed. And they use ass-tons of suppressors in the Peace Corps.
 
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Ouch do you Amermicans have alot of 'laws' in the land of the free... Living in a communist dictatorship I could own full auto, posses (legally) a .22 from age 12 and a centrefire rifle or handgun from 16....

In most of the rest of the world, you just walk into the shop and buy a silencer...In many places you would not be welcome to come hunting WITHOUT a silencer.

However...even where the laws are 'stupid' or one can 'get away' with things it is often not worth it- why attract attention with pushing the boundaries? Where I live now 'tactical' shotguns are legal- but if a policeman sees one he his going to check everything...the car, the ammo storage the number of primers the...why bother? The best shotgun shooters in the world never use a pistol grip on their guns...the magazine extention gets screwed on just before a competition and taken off again immediately after... for normal hunting, clays and social events I can live happily with 6 rounds without making myself a target.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338$</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The person that has the suppressor is registered to must remain in control of it at all times. If you took the suppressor out without your father, you and him are going to be in serious trouble. 10 years in federal prison probably wont be to fun.

A parent can buy their child, 18 and over, a pistol but they can only go from point A to B with it. There is no carrying it in the car and all that. Otherwise you must be supervised with it.

Wait till you turn 21 for C3 items. Unless you like the federal booty house! </div></div>

<span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"> It's different for each state. Here in South Dakota, you can get a concealed weapons permit at 18. My daughter has hers and she owns an XD 9mm that I gave her on her 18th birthday.

Bob</span>
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2. I told you to wait till you were 21, which is the law, so technically it weren't me "telling" you, I was informing you of the law.</div></div>

Just for the record, and to summarize the truckload of text above on this page:

Federal law only recognizes 21 as being the minimum age for <span style="font-weight: bold">purchase</span> of certain firearms from <span style="font-weight: bold">dealers</span>. Federal law does not prohibit possession of <span style="font-weight: bold">ANY</span> firearm at the age of 18, provided all other applicable federal and state laws are obeyed.

It is incorrect to say that one must be 21 to own X, Y, or Z, rather, it's the case that one <span style="font-weight: bold">may</span> purchase a "rifle" or "shotgun" from a dealer at the age of 18 (This is also the reason why an individual must be 21 to purchase stripped lower receivers or pistol-grip-only shotguns from a dealer: because they don't qualify as being either pistols or rifles according to federal law).

Reading the biographies of major names in the NFA community within the past fifty years, one tends to notice that many of them began tinkering with full auto and other NFA items well before the age of 18, let alone 21. Half a century ago, the thought of letting a 12 year old go play with beltfeds after school wasn't unreasonable in parts of the country.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dr Don Heath D.Sc.</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ouch do you Amermicans have alot of 'laws' in the land of the free... Living in a communist dictatorship I could own full auto, posses (legally) a .22 from age 12 and a centrefire rifle or handgun from 16....

In most of the rest of the world, you just walk into the shop and buy a silencer...In many places you would not be welcome to come hunting WITHOUT a silencer.

However...even where the laws are 'stupid' or one can 'get away' with things it is often not worth it- why attract attention with pushing the boundaries? Where I live now 'tactical' shotguns are legal- but if a policeman sees one he his going to check everything...the car, the ammo storage the number of primers the...why bother? The best shotgun shooters in the world never use a pistol grip on their guns...the magazine extention gets screwed on just before a competition and taken off again immediately after... for normal hunting, clays and social events I can live happily with 6 rounds without making myself a target. </div></div>

You think you can get the nephew of the King of Zimbabwe to quit sending me emails requesting that I cash checks for them with my bank account?
 
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Has gun...
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they are Nigerians...get at least 10 a week myself....even got one about myself...how I had been kicked off my farm but had 7 million in gold that needed clearing
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SRT Supply</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


Federal law only recognizes 21 as being the minimum age for <span style="font-weight: bold">purchase</span> of certain firearms from <span style="font-weight: bold">dealers</span>. Federal law does not prohibit possession of <span style="font-weight: bold">ANY</span> firearm at the age of 18, provided all other applicable federal and state laws are obeyed.

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The question was regarding suppressors. Sure, states have laws, but - and I am certain someone will correct me if I am wrong - the BATFE requires 21 or older to be the registered owner of a suppressor.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SRT Supply</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2. I told you to wait till you were 21, which is the law, so technically it weren't me "telling" you, I was informing you of the law.</div></div>

Just for the record, and to summarize the truckload of text above on this page:

Federal law only recognizes 21 as being the minimum age for <span style="font-weight: bold">purchase</span> of certain firearms from <span style="font-weight: bold">dealers</span>. Federal law does not prohibit possession of <span style="font-weight: bold">ANY</span> firearm at the age of 18, provided all other applicable federal and state laws are obeyed.

It is incorrect to say that one must be 21 to own X, Y, or Z, rather, it's the case that one <span style="font-weight: bold">may</span> purchase a "rifle" or "shotgun" from a dealer at the age of 18 (This is also the reason why an individual must be 21 to purchase stripped lower receivers or pistol-grip-only shotguns from a dealer: because they don't qualify as being either pistols or rifles according to federal law).

Reading the biographies of major names in the NFA community within the past fifty years, one tends to notice that many of them began tinkering with full auto and other NFA items well before the age of 18, let alone 21. Half a century ago, the thought of letting a 12 year old go play with beltfeds after school wasn't unreasonable in parts of the country. </div></div>

Maybe you should re read this thread. We are talking about NFA items. In which you do have to be 21 and over. I called and spoke with Mr. Howard at the BATFE/NFA branch just yesterday and he said to take possession of the item and to have the legal tax stamp you must be 21 years of age. How many 18 year olds do you know running around with suppressors and MG's?

Assuming your state allows suppressors you still have to comply with Federal Laws. NFA items are still always controlled by the Feds. Your state simply says wether or not you can have them and so on.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Grimsson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ya the ATF just said ask the locals and the locals said ask ATF...

But the weird thing is the locals thought suppressors were outright illegal - felt kind of weird telling a sheriff's office they were wrong.</div></div>

Exactly, see how useful these laws are? They really do a great job in this free country, the ATF that is. They don't even know the laws that they jam down our throats. Bunch of useless stormtroopers that bust people for not using black ink on paperwork. Keep up the good work busting balls and robbing american citizens guys. A++
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYshooter338$</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I called and spoke with Mr. Howard at the BATFE/NFA branch just yesterday and he said to take possession of the item and to have the legal tax stamp you must be 21 years of age.</div></div>

If your Mr. Howard was claiming that a person has to be 21 for approval of any tax stamp, then I do not believe him. What I do believe is that any restrictions placed on who can own a gun are codified in law. Show us the law. I am completely unimpressed with this "they said" stuff.

Ranb