No master code for dials. Either you know the combination, you have it manipulated or drilled
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Honestly they were fucked either way, the FBI came and demanded the codes, they said come back with a warrant. FBI came back with a warrant so if they turn them down now they have the FBI, IRS and possibly the ATF watching them for any chance at retribution for being denied with the possibility of going after them criminally for protecting a “suspected domestic terrorist”.
Now they have the government after them civilly or criminally providing a huge financial drain on the company to defend itself and possibly putting them out of business. With the current economic environment how many of their customers would help to donate the millions of dollars it would take to fight off the government and in the end the FBI still cuts the safe open and gets what’s inside anyway.
If they did turn over the codes the FBI goes on its merry way and they are left with the wrath of their customers for caving to the Feds which would cause a loss of sales, how much? well that will effect their business is yet to be determined.
Their options were deal with the loss of sales from pissed off customers or get raped by the government. Either way they are losing a bunch of money but one option has a far greater risk to the livelihood of your company and your employees. It’s a shitty position to be in no doubt.
Honestly the FBI could have just cut the safe open, it’s not like it’s hard it just takes a little while. I wouldn’t put it past them to have done it just to fuck with a pro gun company knowing the shitstorm it would create for them in the current political climate. Either way it was a win/win for the FBI.
They just posted up that they are offering their customers the option to delete their master code from their system, added deleting it as an option when registering your safe and in the future they will specifically require a subpoena that legally requires them to provide the codes only if they are still in their system.
I’d be just as upset with the locksmith (second phone call) who would have opened the safe for them.
Here in Iowa, the way around getting a search warrant it to have a DNR officer do a “game check” and notify their friends of any other items they happen to come across…
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Liberty wasn’t a part of the warrant… the warrant was to search through the customer’s stuff and Liberty was asked for an access code. There would’ve been no downside to declining the request. A warrant wouldn’t be issued since all they did was make the product. No subpoena either since the safe would just get cut at that point.
Every single layer of them absolutely love civil asset forfeiture, too.
This is the same logic every dope dealer, kiddie trafficker, casino, politician, gang banger, smut peddler, and every other ilk uses to defend themselves. “If I didn’t do it someone else would have.” The morals and practices of society as a whole are irrelevant to the topic of discussion, which is your (liberty) conduct.
Accountability starts with the individual. Liberty betrayed their customers’ trust and clearly, they know it. Their actions did change something, it changed their guilt. The evil would have been on the FBI, but the cowards at Liberty chose to aid and abet and thereby rightly share in the contempt and condemnation.
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I’m so tired of 2A-related companies tripping over themselves to suck government dick and then turning around to tell me, with cum still in their mouths, that they’re on my side.
Yep, should have been their policy from the start, not an after thought.
I have a Browning residential security container with an electric lock.
I have a question in how it works.
Doesn't the electric keypad just send some DC voltage to a small DC motor in the door that unblocks the pins so the handle can be turned?
If so, then couldn't you just take the keypad off disconnect the wire going into it hook up your own keypad with a known combo or even just use a battery to "mimic" the voltage to tell the small DC motor in the door to operate?
Or is it some kind of coded signal that tells the motor to operate?
Ok I checked on a replacement looks like the keypad is just part of the system seems to be a circuit board in the door that the keypad tells then it tells the motor so not as simple as I thought.
I have a question in how it works.
Doesn't the electric keypad just send some DC voltage to a small DC motor in the door that unblocks the pins so the handle can be turned?
If so, then couldn't you just take the keypad off disconnect the wire going into it hook up your own keypad with a known combo or even just use a battery to "mimic" the voltage to tell the small DC motor in the door to operate?
Or is it some kind of coded signal that tells the motor to operate?
Ok I checked on a replacement looks like the keypad is just part of the system seems to be a circuit board in the door that the keypad tells then it tells the motor so not as simple as I thought.
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No. All the “electronics are inside, the key pad is just that, a keypad. And there’s no motor, it’s a small solenoid that retracts a small bolt.
Funny that I have been thinking about this lately and learning about EMP, faraday cages and all that jazz. As I understand things I am glad that people here worked with this stuff so they can correct me if my thinking is out in left field on this.
A faraday cage works by being grounded, then not allowing a specific frequency in. As I understand things there are two parts to a "radio wave". an "electric" part and a magnetic part. If you stop one of those the other will go away quickly. If you have holes in your faraday cage they will stop any wave length that is larger then the hole. As the freq goes up the size of the wave goes down. Things like FM radio are in the feet range in size. Then going down to the Ghz they are now in the inch size.
We have likely all seen those photos and videos of the guy in a cage standing next to a Tesla coil, and bolts of electricity hitting the cage. That cage is a faraday cage of sorts. The electricity hits the cage, it goes to ground and you are fine inside. Same with a microwave oven, the little mesh on the glass is there to keep the waves from getting out.
Again as I understand things, the world wants to be neutral, so when a "charge" hits it it will try to shed the electrons to ground to keep that neutral charge, metal is good at shedding wood is not. This is why things like trees explode when hit by lightning.
Assuming that is all correct, and to cut to the chase.
To stop an EMP or really anything else is the faraday cage going to need to be grounded, and if your safe is basically a big faraday cage, should you not ground it....really ground it like with a ground rod or something.
I actually watched this last night trying to learn more about this.
A faraday cage works by being grounded, then not allowing a specific frequency in. As I understand things there are two parts to a "radio wave". an "electric" part and a magnetic part. If you stop one of those the other will go away quickly. If you have holes in your faraday cage they will stop any wave length that is larger then the hole. As the freq goes up the size of the wave goes down. Things like FM radio are in the feet range in size. Then going down to the Ghz they are now in the inch size.
We have likely all seen those photos and videos of the guy in a cage standing next to a Tesla coil, and bolts of electricity hitting the cage. That cage is a faraday cage of sorts. The electricity hits the cage, it goes to ground and you are fine inside. Same with a microwave oven, the little mesh on the glass is there to keep the waves from getting out.
Again as I understand things, the world wants to be neutral, so when a "charge" hits it it will try to shed the electrons to ground to keep that neutral charge, metal is good at shedding wood is not. This is why things like trees explode when hit by lightning.
Assuming that is all correct, and to cut to the chase.
To stop an EMP or really anything else is the faraday cage going to need to be grounded, and if your safe is basically a big faraday cage, should you not ground it....really ground it like with a ground rod or something.
I actually watched this last night trying to learn more about this.
An emp is basically a giant electro magnetic wave generator ( a radio transmitter) and it affects things that have antennas the most. Now when I mean has antennas I mean actual antennas or electronic equipment with long wires like a cord plugged into your house wiring that is in return connected to the power lines. Anything without this antenna is less susceptible because it can’t “gather” enough energy from the radio waves. Your car would not be susceptible to this because it doesn’t have long exposed wires “an antenna” and it’s shielded by the body. Yes grounding is necessary to creat a path to the negative side through your shield and not your electronic equipment. It’s way more complicated than that and I think electronic equipment not connected to the power system would see hardly no effect at all, unless your really close to the source. Your biggest problem will be the power system itself.
Here’s my thoughts about safes and emp’s. I recommend going manual dial over electronic and here’s why, I’ve seen keypads fail and wiring break going from the keypad to the electronics. In normal life that’s not a problem but if your in an emp or any other shtf situation you can not just go to the locksmith and get replacement stuff not to mention keeping batteries.
Here’s my thoughts about safes and emp’s. I recommend going manual dial over electronic and here’s why, I’ve seen keypads fail and wiring break going from the keypad to the electronics. In normal life that’s not a problem but if your in an emp or any other shtf situation you can not just go to the locksmith and get replacement stuff not to mention keeping batteries.
The form to have liberty remove your safe from master unlock:
www.libertysafe.com
Combination Removal Request Form
Combination Removal Request Form I authorize Liberty Safe to remove any combination or reset code associated with my safe from their records. I understand by submitting this form, Liberty Safe will be unable to support service requests for my lock. Before filling out the form below, depending on...
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I watched the video of the goons raiding his house. This is nothing but a government sponsored terror campaign against Trump supporters. If you are rich you better not support Trump otherwise some 3rd world ghetto DA will haul you into court on bullshit charges, if you are poor you better not support Trump because the FBI will raid your house etc.
Meanwhile BLM burns down whole cities, Abortion protesters busted into Congress and were banging on those giant doors, that was all OK no arrests lol.
The form to have liberty remove your safe from master unlock:
Combination Removal Request Form
Combination Removal Request Form I authorize Liberty Safe to remove any combination or reset code associated with my safe from their records. I understand by submitting this form, Liberty Safe will be unable to support service requests for my lock. Before filling out the form below, depending on...
Well it's a nice band aid, but why not just make this the standard practice and then people can opt in to having their info saved? I know these are all glorified lockboxes anyways and not bank vaults but the principle of respecting Constitutional rights still matters. Will remember to not buy anything from them down the line.
Welp, I reached out the Old Glory Gun Safe , where I bought mine, they do not keep a record of the master code, the paper work that comes with the safe has the details , it's up to me to change it.
whole thing is a non issue. ATF,FBI,CIA,IRS,DHS all have a heavy presence here and on every "gun" site. they know about the safe,warrant,liberty issue now if they didn't before. you can bet if they even bother to get a warrant on such a 2A or trump supporter raid,it will include any safes on site. kinda surprised they didn't just trash the safe or take it somewhere else and trash it and everything in it. usual warranted search process is to cause as much damage as possible and take everything they want and shoot the dog.
Most of you have never stood up to government and it shows. I had 2 seperate friends refuse to "donate" to local funds and both were shut down by inspectors in days and also audited. It sucks but eating our own isnt going to help this. Any business that wished to stay in business is in a impossible situation.
Anything that has a "master control" at the manufacturer is just opening a doorway to a nightmare of predatory potential. From paid subscription to continue using your own purchased product, to far more nefarious deeds like this.
BMWs with heated seats that are activated by paying a monthly fee.
Any and all EVs, which usually require an Internet connection to receive "software upgrades".
Power tools that require a smartphone with a QR code to unlock and use, in the name of "theft protection" by big box stores.
None of these things are done with your interests in mind. They are all "you will own nothing and be happy" manifesting in one form or another.
BMWs with heated seats that are activated by paying a monthly fee.
Any and all EVs, which usually require an Internet connection to receive "software upgrades".
Power tools that require a smartphone with a QR code to unlock and use, in the name of "theft protection" by big box stores.
None of these things are done with your interests in mind. They are all "you will own nothing and be happy" manifesting in one form or another.
Damn. That’s some clean green energy saving agents right there if I ever seen any. 
carpool much? 10 vehicles to go to the same place to do the same thing. Great use if taxpayer money right there on many levels.
carpool much? 10 vehicles to go to the same place to do the same thing. Great use if taxpayer money right there on many levels. 
3 dang pages and no one has talked about how Liberty are fucking communists? This alone should be enough to bury them forever.
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Well, well, well. What have we here...Of course!
What?… proctor and gamble is very easy to avoid I do it
This was unnecessarily detailed yet poignant.
Ironman Safe Company in Dalton Gardens, Idaho.
The owner is a personal friend of mine and I trust him with my lock work on my safes. You can bet that he keeps no master codes and everything is made in America.
Gun guy, hunter, and all around small town business man.
The owner is a personal friend of mine and I trust him with my lock work on my safes. You can bet that he keeps no master codes and everything is made in America.
Gun guy, hunter, and all around small town business man.
If I owned a Liberty Safe, I would be changing out the lock ASAP they can take their little "do you not want us to keep your master code form" and fuck themselves with it. I trust they would actually delete it from their system as far as I can throw one of their safes.
To tell the truth I have no idea who made two of my safes. One is branded Winchester, the other Cabelas. I highly doubt those companies made them, someone else did and they slapped their name on them. One is electronic lock.
Serious question, is there a way to tell who made these things. To tell the truth even if it is made by them it is not going anywhere. I don't think it can leave the house now without tearing down walls.
Serious question, is there a way to tell who made these things. To tell the truth even if it is made by them it is not going anywhere. I don't think it can leave the house now without tearing down walls.
This was about the best video I have seen on it, and as far as I know the most accurate. It covers a common question I have seen on a few other "gun" forums, does the warrant grant entry. He goes into that.
We just keep speeding up to the bottom of that hill, I think there is a real good chance to hit rock bottom around Nov next year if not sooner.
We just keep speeding up to the bottom of that hill, I think there is a real good chance to hit rock bottom around Nov next year if not sooner.
Most of those safes are made in China with the lock pack usually being a budget Sargent and Greenleaf lockpack.
S&G could have master codes for your lock listed somewhere so I would swap out electronic to dial. There is no possible way for the dial to have a master code.
4-D chess... here in Michigan a law was passed where all guns must be locked up if a minor is living at the residence. As a safe company, are you going to give financial donations to Candidates who promote Freedom, or those who will pass superficial laws increasing the sale of your product. We are being played by both sides. The best thing you can do is teach your children not to grow into a bunch of Cunts. Choose your wife wisely and be strong at work, home and in your personal life. How you act and the children you raise will make more of an impact than what safe you buy.
So much wrong with this thread.
First of all, a warrant to search your house for a specific object extends to anywhere that object may be found, including inside a locked safe. If you have a contrary opinion, consider whether, just maybe, you have no clue what you are talking about.
Liberty Safes absolutely could be made to turn over the information, and a court could make it very painful on the company to refuse. Individuals have been thrown in jail until they would provide access to, for example, a smart phone.
Apple - it is not that Apple simply refused. Apple was taken to court. Apple designed a system that, they claimed, they cannot access. A court cannot order somebody to do something impossible or punish someone for not being able to do something, rather than refusing to do something.
Liberty Safes offers the same option to you, if you are a customer. It means, however, that if you forget your combo, you are on your own, as they will not be able to help you - they will be in the same situation as Apple. Sorry, we can't do that. We are not refusing. We just do not have the ability.
Liberty Safes does not make that the default for everybody because many customers want the option to call Liberty Safes when they forget their combination.
First of all, a warrant to search your house for a specific object extends to anywhere that object may be found, including inside a locked safe. If you have a contrary opinion, consider whether, just maybe, you have no clue what you are talking about.
Liberty Safes absolutely could be made to turn over the information, and a court could make it very painful on the company to refuse. Individuals have been thrown in jail until they would provide access to, for example, a smart phone.
Apple - it is not that Apple simply refused. Apple was taken to court. Apple designed a system that, they claimed, they cannot access. A court cannot order somebody to do something impossible or punish someone for not being able to do something, rather than refusing to do something.
Liberty Safes offers the same option to you, if you are a customer. It means, however, that if you forget your combo, you are on your own, as they will not be able to help you - they will be in the same situation as Apple. Sorry, we can't do that. We are not refusing. We just do not have the ability.
Liberty Safes does not make that the default for everybody because many customers want the option to call Liberty Safes when they forget their combination.
What sucks is, I bought my Liberty Franklin back in 2018.
Watch the video @fpgt72 posted it‘s informative. If the search warrant allows the FBI to collect media devices including USB flash drives for example, feds can claim they might be located in the safe so access is needed that’s correct.
It’s not that the feds would never have ultimately gained access to the safe they would have but sucks that Liberty complied so easily and Should have requested a court ordered subpoena.
We have legal protections just use them to the fullest when dealing with .gov that’s what they are there for.
So your problem is that the evidence so obtained might be more difficult to admit at trial against Mr. Hughes?
As to the rest of your post, yes, Liberty Safes could have said "Fuck you" to the FBI and incurred attorneys fees to end up in the exact same place, turning over the combination.
Is not going through all of that for a foregone conclusion really worth of a boycott?
After all, you can buy a Liberty Safe and not have them retain any way of getting into the safe, if that is what you want.
My problem with Liberty is that in the manner in which they rolled so easily they are hedge fund pussies.
Don’t care if they had to pick up the phone with attorney‘s most likely already on retainer to discuss the warrant or subpoena just show some balls and use the law to it ‘s maximum benefit thats all.
Sigh.
A company cannot represent itself in court. That is unauthorized practice of law.
Corporate legal departments typically do not include litigators. They hire outside counsel.
With respect to marketing, this is perhaps the course that would have been best.
Chalking up the legal expense to a marketing cost might have been a decent use of resources even if the outcome is already known.
It may have already been mentioned above/previously, but has anyone given any thought or consideration to just exactly how the fib knew that he had a "Liberty" brand safe in his house ? 
Paid informant ? Disgruntled friend/neighbor ?
Seems like there's still a lot to be known about this story.
Paid informant ? Disgruntled friend/neighbor ?
Seems like there's still a lot to be known about this story.
It may have already been mentioned above/previously, but has anyone given any thought or consideration to just exactly how the fib knew that he had a "Liberty" brand safe in his house ?
Paid informant ? Disgruntled friend/neighbor ?
Seems like there's still a lot to be known about this story.
From the video @fpgt72 posted above the attorney William Kirk stated when .gov got to the home and began searching the residence they discovered the safe and called Liberty for the access codes.
Sounds as if they didn’t know about the safe until after they searched the property.
So, all it took was an unvetted, last minute/spur of the moment phone call to Liberty and Liberty rolled over like a horny female dog in heat. If it was a phone call, Liberty wouldn't have even seen a warrant.
Wonderful
This just gets better and better.............
edit; So, at the time of the execution of the search warrant against the defendant, there was no legal documentation/charges that compelled Liberty to even say shit. But, they rolled over anyway. Fuck liberty.
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I agree they may have gotten into the safe anyway, but damn don’t make it easy for them. If people would actually exercise their constitutional rights this government may not be out of control as it is.
I have requested a jury trial for a speeding ticket. Guest what they dropped it because they weren’t going through the effort of a jury trial for a $150 speeding ticket.
I have requested a jury trial for a speeding ticket. Guest what they dropped it because they weren’t going through the effort of a jury trial for a $150 speeding ticket.
True but another big huge issue with Liberty is the big dollars they donate to liberals candidates to shit on our gun rights!
Watch the video it’s only 6-7 minutes and informative but Liberty stated they did request a copy of the ”property” search warrant which .gov provided a copy but again it was general in nature and the “property” search warrant did not cover the safe specifically.So, all it took was an unvetted, last minute/spur of the moment phone call to Liberty and Liberty rolled over like a horny female dog in heat. If it was a phone call, Liberty wouldn't have even seen a warrant.
Wonderful
This just gets better and better.............
edit; So, at the time of the execution of the search warrant against the defendant, there was no legal documentation/charges that compelled Liberty to even say shit. But, they rolled over anyway. Fuck liberty.
Liberty had no legal obligation to provide the access code at that point without a court ordered subpoena.
Most “property” search warrants can be general in nature so .gov can go on fishing expeditions.
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