local brush picker shot by hunters

[ArcticLight]

This happens every year and I cannot for the life of me figure out HOW someone can mistake an illegal alien, or brush picker, or legal alien brush picker for a bear.
But the scary part is that my daughter likes to climb this one hill down in this area, with her dog - think that's goign to stop until hunting season ends.

Keep in mind Mason county in this article has a lot of back woods rednecks and one HELL of a lot of illegal aliens. 3/4 of my daughters bilingual school is of Guatamalan descent...

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SHELTON —

Carlos Pablo Carrillo, 25, of Shelton man died after being shot in the chest and neck while picking brush near Skokomish on Wednesday, the Mason County Coroner’s Office determined Thursday.

Two bear hunters turned themselves in Wednesday after seeing news coverage of the man’s death. One told investigators that he had fired at what he believed was a bear and thought he had missed, then left the area. After watching the news reports, they came to believe they may have accidentally shot Carrillo.

The incident took place off California Road between Shelton and Skokomish.

The case remains under investigation and will be reviewed by the Mason County Prosecutor’s Office for possible charges.

In a news release, the Mason County Sheriff’s Office reminded hunters to properly identify a target and what is behind it before pulling the trigger. Anyone working or hiking in the woods is also encouraged to wear bright clothing during hunting season.



Read more: http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2010/sep/3.../#ixzz117iZqCWK
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[USMCj]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

Well shit, the guy should have been wearing a orange vest! At least the guys had enough courage to turn themselves in. I would call it a hunting accident!

 

[ARCOREY]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Two bear hunters turned themselves in Wednesday after seeing news coverage of the man’s death. One told investigators that <span style="color: #FF0000">he had fired at what he believed was a bear and thought he had missed, then left the area</span>. After watching the news reports, they came to believe they may have accidentally shot Carrillo.

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I don't care if the victim was wearing a bear suit, there's a lot wrong with that statement. They are shooters not hunters. I hunt, I know exactly what I'm shooting and usually try to watch my animals before even thinking about taking the shot. I usually can see their eyes before I shoot them and know exactly what I'm after. If I shoot, I walk to the direction of the shot and follow up. You should be able to account for that bullet, anything else is wreckless. It is a hunters responsibility to know if he needs to track wounded game or call it a clean miss after examining the scene. Not wearing orange didn't earn the victim a right to die, just like owning a gun won't keep these guys right to hunt if justice prevails.

 

[USMCj]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

In that case, Shotgun Dick should have been charged with attempted murder in the 1st.

 

[BugSniper]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This happens every year and I cannot for the life of me figure out HOW someone can mistake an illegal alien, or brush picker, or legal alien brush picker for a bear.
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Victim:
Carlos Pablo Carrillo, 25

if it was instead
Victim:
Carla Paula Carrillo, 35

I could see it, and have been confused many times myself over the years, but yeah Carlos should be different in size, shape, fur density, etc. for sure.

Seriously though, I worry about stuff like this with my son even though it's a few years until he is going in the woods alone. It's very irresponsible and should be treated as such.

 

[ARCOREY]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In that case, Shotgun Dick should have been charged with attempted murder in the 1st. </div></div>

Can't say I disagree with you there either. Wreckless is wreckless, regardless if it is a redneck spotlighting and shooting a house, a couple of bear "hunters" shooting an immigrant or the VP of the USA shooting his bird hunting buddy. There are no accidents with firearms and hunting in general, only preventable mistakes. It all goes back to the simple rule, always know your target and what lies beyond.

 

[AK10mm]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well shit, the guy should have been wearing a orange vest! At least the guys had enough courage to turn themselves in. I would call it a hunting accident! </div></div>

You are Kidding,Right?Any Real Hunter would not pull the trigger until they were absolutely sure of what they are firing at.In the not too distant past,we had another high profile "Hunting Accident" up here,a 14yo boy shot and killed a Woman wearing a Bright Blue Jacket while Bear Hunting.As a side note,she was not an Illegal Brushpicker.

People should not have to fear for their lives just because Hunting Season is open,this kind of shit gives the "Antis" more ammunition.I hunted an Island in the Sound one year,the first thing you saw when you went ashore was a big sign "DANGER-Hunting Season is Open".Nice,Huh ??

As far as having the "Courage" to turn themselves in because they "Might Have Shot Him".I'll leave that one to your imagination.

 

[jcwarrior87]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

You know it is just sad to hear this stuff, I swear gun safety is darn near gone in this state I had to give up hunting deer and elk just for that reason. I got way to tired of walking out of a canyon or a following a deer trail only to walk into a clearing and have some stupid person pointing a gun at me. I hope they charge them to the full.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well shit, the guy should have been wearing a orange vest! At least the guys had enough courage to turn themselves in. I would call it a hunting accident!</div></div>

This statement is wrong, on about eleventeen different dimensions.

Any person has the right to be practically anywhere, correct?
---as much as I hate the feather-sniffers who attempt to hassle hunters, they DO have a right to be there. Now what they are doing when they are there, can have a statute against it, or whatever.

It is the HUNTER who needs to wear orange, in certain area's where it is mandated.
---this whole province is so BENT on the orange that it has gotten to the point of ridiculous. My uncle, has absolutely every visible piece of clothing and cartage in Hunter Orange, and wears it all at once out there. He damn near glows. That to me, is overkill.

It is the HUNTER who needs to be aware of his target, AS WELL AS this backstop.
---not only is one RESPONSIBLE for verifying that his target is valid, but also where is the bullet going to go (generally) after it exits the target?

For these (hunters?) to 'think' that they'd missed their target, not look, and just leave? A) I would never have anything to do with them again. B) They should both be brought up on murder charges. (they were both involved with the shooting, and that's the way it is with bank-robbers and get-a-way drivers, right?)

And these individuals should be chastised in every venue, as the negative influence. NOT the fact that they were (hunters?) or even the fact that they were (or weren't) Firearms owners.

This is because that REAL hunters, and REAL firearms owners SHOULD NOT BE painted with these ID-10-T club lifetime-membership cardholders.

And that's just for starters. What say you all?

 

[Guest]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

Guatemalans can be quite hairy.
I'm ruling it as a case of mistaken identity.

And it doesn't hurt that the hunters waited until they'd sobered up before making the call.

 

[ARCOREY]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
And it doesn't hurt that the hunters waited until they'd sobered up before making the call. </div></div>

Not to mention it was probably done from a vehicle while intoxicated.

"The incident took place off California Road between Shelton and Skokomish."

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sean the Nailer</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USMCj</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well shit, the guy should have been wearing a orange vest! At least the guys had enough courage to turn themselves in. I would call it a hunting accident!</div></div>

This statement is wrong, on about eleventeen different dimensions.

Any person has the right to be practically anywhere, correct?
---as much as I hate the feather-sniffers who attempt to hassle hunters, they DO have a right to be there. Now what they are doing when they are there, can have a statute against it, or whatever.

It is the HUNTER who needs to wear orange, in certain area's where it is mandated.
---this whole province is so BENT on the orange that it has gotten to the point of ridiculous. My uncle, has absolutely every visible piece of clothing and cartage in Hunter Orange, and wears it all at once out there. He damn near glows. That to me, is overkill.

It is the HUNTER who needs to be aware of his target, AS WELL AS this backstop.
---not only is one RESPONSIBLE for verifying that his target is valid, but also where is the bullet going to go (generally) after it exits the target?

For these (hunters?) to 'think' that they'd missed their target, not look, and just leave? A) I would never have anything to do with them again. B) They should both be brought up on murder charges. (they were both involved with the shooting, and that's the way it is with bank-robbers and get-a-way drivers, right?)

And these individuals should be chastised in every venue, as the negative influence. NOT the fact that they were (hunters?) or even the fact that they were (or weren't) Firearms owners.

This is because that REAL hunters, and REAL firearms owners SHOULD NOT BE painted with these ID-10-T club lifetime-membership cardholders.

And that's just for starters. What say you all?
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Hear hear. Very well put.

 

[50calibercruiser]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

Not taking sides, but you guys would be surprised at the number of misidentified targets shot every year in Oklahoma alone by well informed, unintoxicated, responsible hunters. I won't pretend to know what happened in this incident but I do know that shit happens. Hopefully, these two practiced due diligence before firing.

 

[Guest]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

50cal,
That entire statement contradicts itself.
You can call them well-informed and unintoxicated, but if they were responsible they wouldn't have shot the wrong thing.

Ditto for due diligence.


I did shoot a little brown wiener dog that popped out of a groundhog hole at 200 yards one time, but he was asking for it.

 

[KClark]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

Man, there's a whole lot wrong with most of this.

BTW....wtf is a brushpicker or brushpicking??

 

[Spazz.]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

Our conservation officer (when those still came around to schools) told us about a guy who got shot one time by some turkey hunters. He was drinking a Pepsi out of a can - back when they were red, blue, and white. He said they saw the color through a bush and shot him. In middle school, we were learning about how important it was to a)be sure of your target and b)not to sit in bushes and drink Pepsi during turkey season.

I'm always sure of my target and what lies beyond it. I've given up many shots because I was unsure of my backstop. If you don't know where it's going and what it's passing through on the way, don't pull the trigger.

Great post, Sean.

 

[50calibercruiser]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

Just saying I know of good hunters that this sort of thing has happen to. Though, I don't know anyone who has "accidentally" killed anyone. That's a different thread.

 

[AK10mm]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 50calcruiser</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just saying I know of good hunters that this sort of thing has happen to. Though, I don't know anyone who has "accidentally" killed anyone. That's a different thread. </div></div>

The guys you knew got shot?Or they shot someone?If this has commonly happened to "Hunters" that you know,I'd take up a different hobby.

"Good Hunters" don't make these mistakes.

 

[ArcticLight]

Re: local brush picker shot by hunters

Guys - every year I am out hunting the brushpickers are out - a HUGE econoline van drops them off because the logging roads are open to the public for hunting so the illegals usually take advantage of that to get in the the slough or whatever flowerly brush they pick.

They sell it to florists.

But I've glassed an area, safety on, hand OFF trigger, only to have one of these guys come out screaming "No shoot, no shoot".

But I cannot see how they SHOT..

It happens, people shoot into brush, not this kid...I want a TARGET that I am aiming at.