I am looking at buying myself a new pistol. I am going to use it for both concealed carry and also a gun to take to the range and shoot, It will be carried IWB, U also want it to be chambered in .357 sig. I have looked at the sig 226 and 229 along with the glock 32..... I'm not a big glock fan but then again haven't shot them much in their defence. Any ideas on a quality pistol chambered in this caliber that will meet my purposes?
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Contact Outsy here on the Hide. He has an unfired Glock 22 (can be converted with a barrel to .357) and has a great price on it.
Contact Outsy here on the Hide. He has an unfired Glock 22 (can be converted with a barrel to .357) and has a great price on it.
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Thanks, I'm not sold on the glock yet but i will look into it
Thanks, I'm not sold on the glock yet but i will look into it
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I love the round and have a few thousand rounds I have a browning high power with a custom .357 barrel along with a 229 sas I just wanted to know if anyone else had any knowledge on other models that shot this caliber.
I love the round and have a few thousand rounds I have a browning high power with a custom .357 barrel along with a 229 sas I just wanted to know if anyone else had any knowledge on other models that shot this caliber.
Re: looking at buying a new pistol!
A SIG P229 in .357 SIG has been my main carry for years. It's a bit chunky, but you can make it hide well enough to even run it during the summer with a good (and I mean <span style="font-style: italic">good,</span> don't be leather-cheap) holster like a VM2 from Sparks. Two things that you want to do with it is to replace the grip screws with stainless steel/hard-chromed ones (I think TJ's and Hogue sell them) to avoid rust creep, and to get something other than the OEM grip panels. I have Hogue rubber on mine that isn't the least bit catchy under shirts. Don't forget that you can also easily get a 9mm barrel from Bar-Sto (or two or three other mfgs.) and some 9mm magazines and shoot from the same slide with dead-nuts accuracy. It makes for cheap practice and a very comfortable alternative if you find that .357 SIG is a bit of a jumpy ride.
No good advice on the BHP alternative, although I've shot .40 S&W BHPs and the recoil is manageable, if a bit unpleasant.
A SIG P229 in .357 SIG has been my main carry for years. It's a bit chunky, but you can make it hide well enough to even run it during the summer with a good (and I mean <span style="font-style: italic">good,</span> don't be leather-cheap) holster like a VM2 from Sparks. Two things that you want to do with it is to replace the grip screws with stainless steel/hard-chromed ones (I think TJ's and Hogue sell them) to avoid rust creep, and to get something other than the OEM grip panels. I have Hogue rubber on mine that isn't the least bit catchy under shirts. Don't forget that you can also easily get a 9mm barrel from Bar-Sto (or two or three other mfgs.) and some 9mm magazines and shoot from the same slide with dead-nuts accuracy. It makes for cheap practice and a very comfortable alternative if you find that .357 SIG is a bit of a jumpy ride.
No good advice on the BHP alternative, although I've shot .40 S&W BHPs and the recoil is manageable, if a bit unpleasant.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A SIG P229 in .357 SIG has been my main carry for years... Don't forget that you can also easily get a 9mm barrel from Bar-Sto (or two or three other mfgs.) and some 9mm magazines and shoot from the same slide with dead-nuts accuracy. It makes for cheap practice and a very comfortable alternative if you find that .357 SIG is a bit of a jumpy ride.
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Or a .40 cal barrel and use the same .357 magazines!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A SIG P229 in .357 SIG has been my main carry for years... Don't forget that you can also easily get a 9mm barrel from Bar-Sto (or two or three other mfgs.) and some 9mm magazines and shoot from the same slide with dead-nuts accuracy. It makes for cheap practice and a very comfortable alternative if you find that .357 SIG is a bit of a jumpy ride.
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Or a .40 cal barrel and use the same .357 magazines!
Re: looking at buying a new pistol!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am looking at buying myself a new pistol. I am going to use it for both concealed carry and also a gun to take to the range and shoot, It will be carried IWB, U also want it to be chambered in .357 sig. I have looked at the sig 226 and 229 along with the glock 32..... I'm not a big glock fan but then again haven't shot them much in their defence. Any ideas on a quality pistol chambered in this caliber that will meet my purposes? </div></div>
The Glock 32 or the Sig will be a good choice. Also the S&W M&P in 357 might be a choice. I personally carry a glock 23 40S&W and have an extra barrel for 357sig. 100 dollar investment for 2 calibres, but usually carry 40. Pick them up, shoot some if possible, and go with the one you shoot best, or one that feels more comfortable.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am looking at buying myself a new pistol. I am going to use it for both concealed carry and also a gun to take to the range and shoot, It will be carried IWB, U also want it to be chambered in .357 sig. I have looked at the sig 226 and 229 along with the glock 32..... I'm not a big glock fan but then again haven't shot them much in their defence. Any ideas on a quality pistol chambered in this caliber that will meet my purposes? </div></div>
The Glock 32 or the Sig will be a good choice. Also the S&W M&P in 357 might be a choice. I personally carry a glock 23 40S&W and have an extra barrel for 357sig. 100 dollar investment for 2 calibres, but usually carry 40. Pick them up, shoot some if possible, and go with the one you shoot best, or one that feels more comfortable.
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229 is a great gun but I would hate to have one stuffed in my pants all day. Then again, to each their own.
229 is a great gun but I would hate to have one stuffed in my pants all day. Then again, to each their own.
Re: looking at buying a new pistol!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A SIG P229 in .357 SIG has been my main carry for years... Don't forget that you can also easily get a 9mm barrel from Bar-Sto (or two or three other mfgs.) and some 9mm magazines and shoot from the same slide with dead-nuts accuracy. It makes for cheap practice and a very comfortable alternative if you find that .357 SIG is a bit of a jumpy ride.
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Or a .40 cal barrel and use the same .357 magazines! </div></div>
I'd agree with you, but (a) .40 S&W is either an acquired or an enforced-by-regulations taste, and (b) you really need to go to an extra slide as the sights don't regulate properly, IME, going from one caliber to the other.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A SIG P229 in .357 SIG has been my main carry for years... Don't forget that you can also easily get a 9mm barrel from Bar-Sto (or two or three other mfgs.) and some 9mm magazines and shoot from the same slide with dead-nuts accuracy. It makes for cheap practice and a very comfortable alternative if you find that .357 SIG is a bit of a jumpy ride.
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Or a .40 cal barrel and use the same .357 magazines! </div></div>
I'd agree with you, but (a) .40 S&W is either an acquired or an enforced-by-regulations taste, and (b) you really need to go to an extra slide as the sights don't regulate properly, IME, going from one caliber to the other.
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all this is great info and greatly appreciated! I think im going to go with the glock 32...... for the same price as the 229 i could get the 32 with night sights and a .40 barrel.
all this is great info and greatly appreciated! I think im going to go with the glock 32...... for the same price as the 229 i could get the 32 with night sights and a .40 barrel.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all this is great info and greatly appreciated! I think im going to go with the glock 32...... for the same price as the 229 i could get the 32 with night sights and a .40 barrel. </div></div>
There's a reason that you get night sights and an extra barrel with a Glock for the price of an unadorned P229. I've got Walthers, HKs, and SIGs, but no Glocks and no Steyrs, either.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all this is great info and greatly appreciated! I think im going to go with the glock 32...... for the same price as the 229 i could get the 32 with night sights and a .40 barrel. </div></div>
There's a reason that you get night sights and an extra barrel with a Glock for the price of an unadorned P229. I've got Walthers, HKs, and SIGs, but no Glocks and no Steyrs, either.
Re: looking at buying a new pistol!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all this is great info and greatly appreciated! I think im going to go with the glock 32...... for the same price as the 229 i could get the 32 with night sights and a .40 barrel. </div></div>
There's a reason that you get night sights and an extra barrel with a Glock for the price of an unadorned P229. I've got Walthers, HKs, and SIGs, but no Glocks and no Steyrs, either. </div></div>
Hater!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all this is great info and greatly appreciated! I think im going to go with the glock 32...... for the same price as the 229 i could get the 32 with night sights and a .40 barrel. </div></div>
There's a reason that you get night sights and an extra barrel with a Glock for the price of an unadorned P229. I've got Walthers, HKs, and SIGs, but no Glocks and no Steyrs, either. </div></div>
Hater!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all this is great info and greatly appreciated! I think im going to go with the glock 32...... for the same price as the 229 i could get the 32 with night sights and a .40 barrel. </div></div>
There's a reason that you get night sights and an extra barrel with a Glock for the price of an unadorned P229. I've got Walthers, HKs, and SIGs, but no Glocks and no Steyrs, either. </div></div>
Hater!
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[thread_drift] I <span style="font-style: italic">do</span> own a CZ83. I'm not completely above things that are somewhat insubstantial, just picky. [/thread_drift]
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: queequeg</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all this is great info and greatly appreciated! I think im going to go with the glock 32...... for the same price as the 229 i could get the 32 with night sights and a .40 barrel. </div></div>
There's a reason that you get night sights and an extra barrel with a Glock for the price of an unadorned P229. I've got Walthers, HKs, and SIGs, but no Glocks and no Steyrs, either. </div></div>
Hater!
[thread_drift] I <span style="font-style: italic">do</span> own a CZ83. I'm not completely above things that are somewhat insubstantial, just picky. [/thread_drift]
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Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229
Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229
Re: looking at buying a new pistol!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229 </div></div>
I had a Glock 17 way, way back when, in the mid-80s, and I might have kept it if I could have gotten it to stop stove-piping. I couldn't, so it got replaced. I'm a bit distrustful of the rabid fanaticism of some of the people who own them, and I've come to dislike the trigger-pull-first take-down procedure of the Glock, which is coincidentally (same designer, Bubits) the same for Steyrs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229 </div></div>
I had a Glock 17 way, way back when, in the mid-80s, and I might have kept it if I could have gotten it to stop stove-piping. I couldn't, so it got replaced. I'm a bit distrustful of the rabid fanaticism of some of the people who own them, and I've come to dislike the trigger-pull-first take-down procedure of the Glock, which is coincidentally (same designer, Bubits) the same for Steyrs.
Re: looking at buying a new pistol!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229 </div></div>
I like a glock, never had one jam! But I also like a sig, never had one jam! Dont worry about what people said about the 80's first gen, the 3rd generation glock is a nice pistol if it fits you. Get the one that you feel better with, dont buy into the fanboy stuff. Take down on the glock is easy and simple, you can work on a glock without ever needing a gunsmith ( changing triggers, connectors, springs ect). 40 is a fine round, 357sig is also a fine round ( its just more expensive and harder to find) The sights on the glock will not be off when changing calibers. 357 and 40 will use the same mags, and you can use a plane aftermarket or factory barrel to switch between 357 and 40. For 9mm you need a conversion barrel and 9mm mags only. 40 is the most commonly used law enforcement round in America. Used by the Coastguard also.
now.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229 </div></div>
I like a glock, never had one jam! But I also like a sig, never had one jam! Dont worry about what people said about the 80's first gen, the 3rd generation glock is a nice pistol if it fits you. Get the one that you feel better with, dont buy into the fanboy stuff. Take down on the glock is easy and simple, you can work on a glock without ever needing a gunsmith ( changing triggers, connectors, springs ect). 40 is a fine round, 357sig is also a fine round ( its just more expensive and harder to find) The sights on the glock will not be off when changing calibers. 357 and 40 will use the same mags, and you can use a plane aftermarket or factory barrel to switch between 357 and 40. For 9mm you need a conversion barrel and 9mm mags only. 40 is the most commonly used law enforcement round in America. Used by the Coastguard also.
now.
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Great info silver bullet! Thank you, now im back to deciding again haha
Great info silver bullet! Thank you, now im back to deciding again haha
Re: looking at buying a new pistol!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Silver_Bullet_00</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229 </div></div>
Take down on the glock is easy and simple, you can work on a glock without ever needing a gunsmith ( changing triggers, connectors, springs ect).</div></div>
Yeah. Real simple take-down, but not idiot proof.
From three years ago:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Deptford boy recovering from gunshot wound</span>
By Troy Graham
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
A 2-year-old boy accidentally shot in the face outside his Deptford home Thursday afternoon was recovering at Cooper University Hospital in critical but stable condition today, authorities said.
The boy's father is a Deptford Police officer, Gloucester County authorities said.
Neither the boy nor his father has been identified, but property records for the home, on Trowbridge Avenue, identify the owner as Wayne Mulbaier, until recently a sergeant in the Wenonah Police Department.
Bernie Weisenfeld, a spokesman for the Gloucester County Prosecutor's Office, said two Deptford police officers were on the patio behind the home, in a small cul-de-sac in the Woodbury Gardens section, cleaning their service weapons around 4 p.m. One of the firearms discharged accidentally around 4:07 p.m., when a 911 call was made, Weisenfeld said.
Both officers were off-duty. Earlier in the day, they had been firing at a range as part of their annual firearms qualifications.
Weisenfeld did not identify the second officer or say which officers' gun discharged. The boy also was on the patio, a short distance away, when the gun fired.
A news release Thursday night gave an incorrect age for the boy, who is 2-years-old. He underwent surgery Thursday night at Cooper and his wounds are not considered life-threatening.
An investigation into the incident is continuing, including taking statements from the officers.
The guns the officers were cleaning were .40-caliber Glock pistols.
Paul Raynolds, an NRA certified firearms instructor, said the Glock does not have an external hammer, but an "internal striker."
<span style="font-weight: bold">Before the gun can be "field stripped" for cleaning, the trigger must be depressed to uncock the striker, a feature that Raynolds called "inherently unsafe."</span>
"The only problem is that if you left a round in the chamber, it's going to fire," he said. "I don't know if it's fairly common, but we've definitely seen other instances of this."
The procedure, he said, would be to take out the magazine and "rack the slide" to eject any rounds in the chamber, and visually inspect the chamber to make sure it's empty before pressing the trigger.
"Even if you check the gun 15 times, you would still point the gun in a safe direction," Raynolds said.
http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article42638.htm</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Silver_Bullet_00</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229 </div></div>
Take down on the glock is easy and simple, you can work on a glock without ever needing a gunsmith ( changing triggers, connectors, springs ect).</div></div>
Yeah. Real simple take-down, but not idiot proof.
From three years ago:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Deptford boy recovering from gunshot wound</span>
By Troy Graham
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
A 2-year-old boy accidentally shot in the face outside his Deptford home Thursday afternoon was recovering at Cooper University Hospital in critical but stable condition today, authorities said.
The boy's father is a Deptford Police officer, Gloucester County authorities said.
Neither the boy nor his father has been identified, but property records for the home, on Trowbridge Avenue, identify the owner as Wayne Mulbaier, until recently a sergeant in the Wenonah Police Department.
Bernie Weisenfeld, a spokesman for the Gloucester County Prosecutor's Office, said two Deptford police officers were on the patio behind the home, in a small cul-de-sac in the Woodbury Gardens section, cleaning their service weapons around 4 p.m. One of the firearms discharged accidentally around 4:07 p.m., when a 911 call was made, Weisenfeld said.
Both officers were off-duty. Earlier in the day, they had been firing at a range as part of their annual firearms qualifications.
Weisenfeld did not identify the second officer or say which officers' gun discharged. The boy also was on the patio, a short distance away, when the gun fired.
A news release Thursday night gave an incorrect age for the boy, who is 2-years-old. He underwent surgery Thursday night at Cooper and his wounds are not considered life-threatening.
An investigation into the incident is continuing, including taking statements from the officers.
The guns the officers were cleaning were .40-caliber Glock pistols.
Paul Raynolds, an NRA certified firearms instructor, said the Glock does not have an external hammer, but an "internal striker."
<span style="font-weight: bold">Before the gun can be "field stripped" for cleaning, the trigger must be depressed to uncock the striker, a feature that Raynolds called "inherently unsafe."</span>
"The only problem is that if you left a round in the chamber, it's going to fire," he said. "I don't know if it's fairly common, but we've definitely seen other instances of this."
The procedure, he said, would be to take out the magazine and "rack the slide" to eject any rounds in the chamber, and visually inspect the chamber to make sure it's empty before pressing the trigger.
"Even if you check the gun 15 times, you would still point the gun in a safe direction," Raynolds said.
http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article42638.htm</div></div>
Re: looking at buying a new pistol!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paul Raynolds, an NRA certified firearms instructor, said the Glock does not have an external hammer, but an "internal striker."
Before the gun can be "field stripped" for cleaning, the trigger must be depressed to uncock the striker, a feature that Raynolds called "inherently unsafe."
"The only problem is that if you left a round in the chamber, it's going to fire," he said. "I don't know if it's fairly common, but we've definitely seen other instances of this."
The procedure, he said, would be to take out the magazine and "rack the slide" to eject any rounds in the chamber, and visually inspect the chamber to make sure it's empty before pressing the trigger.
"Even if you check the gun 15 times, you would still point the gun in a safe direction," Raynolds said.</div></div>
This is your unequivocal certification of the inherent unsuitability of the Glock system?
Idiot Proof is your benchmark? Please...
Personally, I'll be calling anyone, including myself, an idiot if when field stripping any pistol, they find there is still a round in the chamber.
Anyone pulling the trigger of any firearm without being certain of its loaded/unloaded status is going to have the same result eventually, regardless of weapon type. The mere necessity of pulling the trigger on the Glock prior to removing the slide is no more likely to be a danger than pulling the trigger on any other weapon if it has been competently cleared.
The features of other pistol designs, obviating the need to pull the trigger prior to disassembly, are worthy but not a deal breaker for me, as well as millions of others.
This example is tantamount to blaming the gun industry for the toddler being injured by the father's pistol.
A better example please?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Paul Raynolds, an NRA certified firearms instructor, said the Glock does not have an external hammer, but an "internal striker."
Before the gun can be "field stripped" for cleaning, the trigger must be depressed to uncock the striker, a feature that Raynolds called "inherently unsafe."
"The only problem is that if you left a round in the chamber, it's going to fire," he said. "I don't know if it's fairly common, but we've definitely seen other instances of this."
The procedure, he said, would be to take out the magazine and "rack the slide" to eject any rounds in the chamber, and visually inspect the chamber to make sure it's empty before pressing the trigger.
"Even if you check the gun 15 times, you would still point the gun in a safe direction," Raynolds said.</div></div>
This is your unequivocal certification of the inherent unsuitability of the Glock system?
Idiot Proof is your benchmark? Please...
Personally, I'll be calling anyone, including myself, an idiot if when field stripping any pistol, they find there is still a round in the chamber.
Anyone pulling the trigger of any firearm without being certain of its loaded/unloaded status is going to have the same result eventually, regardless of weapon type. The mere necessity of pulling the trigger on the Glock prior to removing the slide is no more likely to be a danger than pulling the trigger on any other weapon if it has been competently cleared.
The features of other pistol designs, obviating the need to pull the trigger prior to disassembly, are worthy but not a deal breaker for me, as well as millions of others.
This example is tantamount to blaming the gun industry for the toddler being injured by the father's pistol.
A better example please?
Re: looking at buying a new pistol!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Silver_Bullet_00</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229 </div></div>
Take down on the glock is easy and simple, you can work on a glock without ever needing a gunsmith ( changing triggers, connectors, springs ect).</div></div>
Yeah. Real simple take-down, but not idiot proof.
From three years ago:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Deptford boy recovering from gunshot wound</span>
By Troy Graham
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
A 2-year-old boy accidentally shot in the face outside his Deptford home Thursday afternoon was recovering at Cooper University Hospital in critical but stable condition today, authorities said.
The boy's father is a Deptford Police officer, Gloucester County authorities said.
Neither the boy nor his father has been identified, but property records for the home, on Trowbridge Avenue, identify the owner as Wayne Mulbaier, until recently a sergeant in the Wenonah Police Department.
Bernie Weisenfeld, a spokesman for the Gloucester County Prosecutor's Office, said two Deptford police officers were on the patio behind the home, in a small cul-de-sac in the Woodbury Gardens section, cleaning their service weapons around 4 p.m. One of the firearms discharged accidentally around 4:07 p.m., when a 911 call was made, Weisenfeld said.
Both officers were off-duty. Earlier in the day, they had been firing at a range as part of their annual firearms qualifications.
Weisenfeld did not identify the second officer or say which officers' gun discharged. The boy also was on the patio, a short distance away, when the gun fired.
A news release Thursday night gave an incorrect age for the boy, who is 2-years-old. He underwent surgery Thursday night at Cooper and his wounds are not considered life-threatening.
An investigation into the incident is continuing, including taking statements from the officers.
The guns the officers were cleaning were .40-caliber Glock pistols.
Paul Raynolds, an NRA certified firearms instructor, said the Glock does not have an external hammer, but an "internal striker."
<span style="font-weight: bold">Before the gun can be "field stripped" for cleaning, the trigger must be depressed to uncock the striker, a feature that Raynolds called "inherently unsafe."</span>
"The only problem is that if you left a round in the chamber, it's going to fire," he said. "I don't know if it's fairly common, but we've definitely seen other instances of this."
The procedure, he said, would be to take out the magazine and "rack the slide" to eject any rounds in the chamber, and visually inspect the chamber to make sure it's empty before pressing the trigger.
"Even if you check the gun 15 times, you would still point the gun in a safe direction," Raynolds said.
http://www.newjerseyhunter.com/article42638.htm</div></div> </div></div>
No Gun is idiot proof regardless of the brand!! You should always check a chamber when picking up a GUN! An accident can happen with any firearm regardless of the brand. Pulling the trigger is no big deal for takedown, its simple, just make sure its unloaded!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Veer_G</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Silver_Bullet_00</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TJB</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Veer very good point, i have never been a glock fan just thought i might take the plunge.... i think im going to go with the 229 </div></div>
Take down on the glock is easy and simple, you can work on a glock without ever needing a gunsmith ( changing triggers, connectors, springs ect).</div></div>
Yeah. Real simple take-down, but not idiot proof.
From three years ago:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Deptford boy recovering from gunshot wound</span>
By Troy Graham
INQUIRER STAFF WRITER
A 2-year-old boy accidentally shot in the face outside his Deptford home Thursday afternoon was recovering at Cooper University Hospital in critical but stable condition today, authorities said.
The boy's father is a Deptford Police officer, Gloucester County authorities said.
Neither the boy nor his father has been identified, but property records for the home, on Trowbridge Avenue, identify the owner as Wayne Mulbaier, until recently a sergeant in the Wenonah Police Department.
Bernie Weisenfeld, a spokesman for the Gloucester County Prosecutor's Office, said two Deptford police officers were on the patio behind the home, in a small cul-de-sac in the Woodbury Gardens section, cleaning their service weapons around 4 p.m. One of the firearms discharged accidentally around 4:07 p.m., when a 911 call was made, Weisenfeld said.
Both officers were off-duty. Earlier in the day, they had been firing at a range as part of their annual firearms qualifications.
Weisenfeld did not identify the second officer or say which officers' gun discharged. The boy also was on the patio, a short distance away, when the gun fired.
A news release Thursday night gave an incorrect age for the boy, who is 2-years-old. He underwent surgery Thursday night at Cooper and his wounds are not considered life-threatening.
An investigation into the incident is continuing, including taking statements from the officers.
The guns the officers were cleaning were .40-caliber Glock pistols.
Paul Raynolds, an NRA certified firearms instructor, said the Glock does not have an external hammer, but an "internal striker."
<span style="font-weight: bold">Before the gun can be "field stripped" for cleaning, the trigger must be depressed to uncock the striker, a feature that Raynolds called "inherently unsafe."</span>
"The only problem is that if you left a round in the chamber, it's going to fire," he said. "I don't know if it's fairly common, but we've definitely seen other instances of this."
The procedure, he said, would be to take out the magazine and "rack the slide" to eject any rounds in the chamber, and visually inspect the chamber to make sure it's empty before pressing the trigger.
"Even if you check the gun 15 times, you would still point the gun in a safe direction," Raynolds said.
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No Gun is idiot proof regardless of the brand!! You should always check a chamber when picking up a GUN! An accident can happen with any firearm regardless of the brand. Pulling the trigger is no big deal for takedown, its simple, just make sure its unloaded!
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