Night Vision Looking to purchase first thermal clip on

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Evolution 9​

I have followed your posts for years and you make excellent points and out of experience.

One of the problems when we talk about the OASYS UTM specifically is that it was marketed as a "military style (real) clip on that has collimation", but it was not really true, but most people do not know this. Unfortunately, this is where so many including myself got had and I was probably the second person to ever own one. As you mentioned you are not going to get repeatable results if the thermal device is not collimated to begin with.

People like Waddles0931 and another over on AR have reported their UTM's are collimated and some read these reports and roll the dice only to discover something other.

As far as the Wilcox FTS Mount I guess you would agree that since most UTM's and Skeet IR's are not collimated aka not real military clip on's you are not going to see repeatable results when in the FTS mount. So, I think this is where much of the shade stems from.

 

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Evolution 9​

I have followed your posts for years and you make excellent points and out of experience.

One of the problems when we talk about the OASYS UTM specifically is that it was marketed as a "military style (real) clip on that has collimation", but it was not really true, but most people do not know this. Unfortunately, this is where so many including myself got had and I was probably the second person to ever own one. As you mentioned you are not going to get repeatable results if the thermal device is not collimated to begin with.

People like Waddles0931 and another over on AR have reported their UTM's are collimated and some read these reports and roll the dice only to discover something other.

As far as the Wilcox FTS Mount I guess you would agree that since most UTM's and Skeet IR's are not collimated aka not real military clip on's you are not going to see repeatable results when in the FTS mount. So, I think this is where much of the shade stems from.

You’re probably correct about where much of the misunderstanding comes from. I’ve seen UTMs and Skeetir-Ls that were well collimated across a few rifles that they were tested on, but you mostly need UTM-X or Skeetir-X to get that result… perhaps a more significant name change would have been wise when reliable collimation came into the picture.

I wouldn’t stand behind the abilities of any non-collimated thermal (civilian or military) in any mount whatsoever when used in a clip on capacity. They usually have to be mounted to the hand guard, and most of us don’t trust hand guards for mounting scopes, due to flex among other reasons. I know some people have had acceptable results, but it’s not an avenue that I’m interested in messing with.

 

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Went down the clip on rabbit hole years ago.
Friends don't let Friends use clip on's.
SJC

 

[Evolution 9]

Went down the clip on rabbit hole years ago.
Friends don't let Friends use clip on's.
SJC

For most civilian users, they are the wrong tool.

Those who need them tend to know they need them.

I have both and intend to keep it that way.