Lots of people in uproar about this...your thoughts?

[SilentStalkr]

I mean they already have everything on me but I find this interesting.

Airport facial recognition technology is here and expanding: What are your rights, can you opt out?

While facial recognition technology will soon be rolled out on a large scale, laws and regulations have yet to catch up.

www.newsweek.com

 

[ArmyJerry]

been going on a while now.. violation of the 4th fir sure.

 

[Loonhunter]

I don’t have a problem with it. If it works....
It’s non-invasive. Non-confrontational. It’s quick.
As for the 4th, it’s by no means an ‘unreasonable search’.
That’s my 3 cents worth

 

[ArmyJerry]

whats the suspected crime to justify search?

 

[kthomas]

I'm with AJ. It's an erosion of our freedoms and liberty.

If you don't think this is scary, have a look at what they are doing in China with similar technology.

 

[Maser]

I've seen how shitty face recognition works on iPhones. I'm not worried in the least.

 

[ArmyJerry]

its getting better quickly,,, look up how to trick it,,, some very good articles out there

 

[Loonhunter]

In the context of airport security, there doesn’t need to be one. It’s voluntary. If someone doesn’t want their face scanned that’s ok. They just don’t get to fly. Or they agree to another form of security check.

 

[Mwalex]

Those that are okay with this have no idea of what is actually happening. This is another intrusion into our everyday lives where we are all under surveillance.

 

[ArmyJerry]

thats not true its a public venue so there is no special reason you need to be there... even if there was its still a violation of the 4th

 

[SilentStalkr]

been going on a while now.. violation of the 4th fir sure.

Indeed it has been sir and it’s only getting worse. If I could afford to move the fam to Alaska, but up 2000 acres and live off the land, I’d already be gone. The wife and kids would never go for it tho.

It also goes to show just how far we have gone. The gov is just a leviathan that continually feeds itself more and more power.

 

[ArmyJerry]

stay here and wait for war

 

[Blue Sky Country]

The hard fact is.........We live in a society where this sort of thing will only become more and more widespread as the years proceed. There are a million ways to track people already, and this is just one form. And like kthomas mentioned above, this system has been fully integrated into daily life in a lot of other countries such as China.

The powers that be already knows who I am through a myriad of ways. And from the 4473 paper trail I've got behind me, they are also aware that I possess 'a certain set of skills', just like everybody else here does. Now, if things change for the worst and they begin to seriously contemplate if we are worth the trouble, and possibly the price in the lives of their cannon fodder, to silence, that is when things become.........interesting.

 

[Loonhunter]

It’s a public venue up until the secure area. Then it isn’t. It’s for paying customers at that point.
And when you buy your ticket you agree to these measures. And like driving a car, it’s a privilege, not a right.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not for public cameras everywhere scanning our faces. But in this context I’m ok with it.

 

[SilentStalkr]

In the context of airport security, there doesn’t need to be one. It’s voluntary. If someone doesn’t want their face scanned that’s ok. They just don’t get to fly. Or they agree to another form of security check.

I for one don’t want to live in a nanny state. This is all more control under the guise of security. I for one would rather have freedom.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I am not, there is no need for a "secure" area.

 

[Loonhunter]

I am not, there is no need for a "secure" area.

Then buy an airport. I would fly from/to there!

 

[SilentStalkr]

The hard fact is.........We live in a society where this sort of thing will only become more and more widespread as the years proceed. There are a million ways to track people already, and this is just one form. And like kthomas mentioned above, this system has been fully integrated into daily life in a lot of other countries such as China.

The powers that be already knows who I am through a myriad of ways. And from the 4473 paper trail I've got behind me, they are also aware that I possess 'a certain set of skills', just like everybody else here does. Now, if things change for the worst and they begin to seriously contemplate if we are worth the trouble, and possibly the price in the lives of their cannon fodder, to silence, that is when things become.........interesting.

And they already are. Look at how the common gun owners are portrayed in society today. You are grouped with the worst scum of the earth, even moreso than child molesters, rapists and so on. It’s quite sad. The plans for going after the law abiding gun owner is already in play sir. It just depends on how slow they want to roll it. There is strategy to all of this. Make no mistake, gun owners are quickly becoming public enemy number 1!

Think about it, there won’t be any door to door confiscations. This is how they do it. They make you submit. Soon enough you will outright be publicly shamed, always be public enemy number 1, wont be able to use any form media because they own all of those companies, you will be flagged as a gun owner by financial institutions so you won’t be able to have accounts or bank or buy crap because they won’t process the payments, Hell by the time they are done setting up you won’t even be able to buy a car let alone check out a book at the library until you submit to their ways, AKA turn in your guns. Watch and see. It’s slowly all forming now. They didn’t just come up with red flag laws or any of this shit overnight. This is planned. They will make you lower than the child molester in the public eye and make living so difficult that you will willingly give in.

 

[ArmyJerry]

I already own the airports, so do you

 

[Redmanss]

In the context of airport security, there doesn’t need to be one. It’s voluntary. If someone doesn’t want their face scanned that’s ok. They just don’t get to fly. Or they agree to another form of security check.

That's how we got the Patriot Act and secret FISA courts.

 

[Loonhunter]

Well you do what you want in yours. But in mine you’re on camera. Everywhere. Bathrooms too.
Just cause you irritated me.

 

[ArmyJerry]

thats why I dont fly anymore.

 

[SilentStalkr]

That's how we got the Patriot Act and secret FISA courts.

Ding ding ding!

 

[Blue Sky Country]

And they already are. Look at how the common gun owners are portrayed in society today. You are grouped with the worst scum of the earth, even moreso than child molesters, rapists and so on. It’s quite sad. The plans for going after the law abiding gun owner is already in play sir. It just depends on how slow they want to roll it. There is strategy to all of this. Make no mistake, gun owners are quickly becoming public enemy number 1!

Think about it, there won’t be any door to door confiscations. This is how they do it. They make you submit. Soon enough you will outright be publicly shamed, always be public enemy number 1, wont be able to use any form media because they own all of those companies, you will be flagged as a gun owner by financial institutions so you won’t be able to have accounts or bank or buy crap because they won’t process the payments, Hell by the time they are done setting up you won’t even be able to buy a car let alone check out a book at the library until you submit to their ways, AKA turn in your guns. Watch and see. It’s slowly all forming now. They didn’t just come up with red flag laws or any of this shit overnight. This is planned. They will make you lower than the child molester in the public eye and make living so difficult that you will willingly give in.

And that will lead to unintended consequences for the statists.

People who refuse to be disarmed will simply go into the down low. What is the point of compliance with the law when the law becomes predatory? It will be just like the homies in the hood approach. The big urban housing projects probably contains and trafficks more guns and ammo than the military forces of small countries, and the gun grabbers have not been able to, and most likely does not want to run the risks of trying to control that traffic.

In condensed terms: Outlaw (insert any item), and I will become an outlaw...

 

[SilentStalkr]

And that will lead to unintended consequences for the statists.

People who refuse to be disarmed will simply go into the down low. What is the point of compliance with the law when the law becomes predatory? It will be just the the homies in the hood approach. The big urban housing projects probanly contains and trafficks more guns and ammo than the military forces of small countries, and the gun grabbers have not been able to, and most likely does not want to run the risks of trying to control that traffic.

In condensed terms: Outlaw (insert any item), and I will become an outlaw...

One can only hope that most of us share your fortitude!

 

[Blue Sky Country]

One can only hope that most of us share your fortitude!

I am sure almost all of us here will possess this will to stand if and when it comes to that.

I, for one, will rather face ostracizing and much worse, than lead a pathetic and cowardly existence.

 

[Blutroop]

It’s a public venue up until the secure area. Then it isn’t. It’s for paying customers at that point.
And when you buy your ticket you agree to these measures. And like driving a car, it’s a privilege, not a right.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not for public cameras everywhere scanning our faces. But in this context I’m ok with it.

Traveling is a right not a privilege. Just because it’s not specifically written doesn’t mean it’s not a right..

 

[Mwalex]

It’s a public venue up until the secure area. Then it isn’t. It’s for paying customers at that point.
And when you buy your ticket you agree to these measures. And like driving a car, it’s a privilege, not a right.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not for public cameras everywhere scanning our faces. But in this context I’m ok with it.

Your comments are a contradiction. You cannot be against something and okay with it in some context. That latitude is what allows for more and more erosion of privacy. You are either against something or not if you have any convictions of belief.

 

[Blutroop]

And all this supposedly for “international travelers” and yet their is so much resistance to a wall??

 

[Loonhunter]

Traveling is a right not a privilege. Just because it’s not specifically written doesn’t mean it’s not a right..

Traveling is a privilege . The mode of travel isn’t. Those planes are owned by a business. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a single plane. And they do so in order to make a profit. So there is a trade off. If you want the convenience of traveling at 500mph then you’ll have to endure the inconvenience of security measures. Or buy your own plane.
It sucks. I remember the days when anyone could go anywhere in an airport. You could even help grandma get settled in her seat and then de-plane. Of course that all changed.
So what is the answer?
Absolute freedom for anyone to board with zero restrictions or security?
Complete submission to whatever authority no matter how intrusive?
Or strike a balance somewhere in between?
As I said originally, I’m ok with cameras in the context of airport security. Not with widespread use.
And I just can’t make the argument that comparing my image against a database of known terrorists rises to the level of an unreasonable search.
If these measures were to be abused in the future, then we end that abuse. We don’t end the measures.

 

[Loonhunter]

Your comments are a contradiction. You cannot be against something and okay with it in some context. That latitude is what allows for more and more erosion of privacy. You are either against something or not if you have any convictions of belief.

Not true at all.
I’m against violence against the just. I’m for violence against the unjust.
I’m for reasonable search and seizure. Against unreasonable search and seizure.
And context means everything.
And if/when something that is lawful begins to erode our rights it’s up to us to stop the erosion.
Take the 4th amendment for example. It protects against unreasonable search and seizure. That must mean it condones reasonable search and seizure. What does reasonable mean? When these questions get asked, who decides? Lawyers. So what if at some point lawyers decide reasonable means ‘convenient to law enforcement’? Not good but people let that slide because there’s no way LE would abuse that. Then later ‘convenient’ is determined to mean ‘anytime’. In this scenario do way throw out the 4th? No, we fix the erosion and abuses.
All this to say don’t be afraid of what something “might” become. Be watchful instead.

 

[MtnCreek]

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[FS1]

I'll bet they put it everywhere except the polling place.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

People allowed this, people can stop this.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

That's how we got the Patriot Act and secret FISA courts.

SOP with oppressors, create a problem, to justify a solution to further the end game you want.

 

[pmclaine]

What's a little Freedom traded for security?

Why does anyone need an assault rifle to hunt?

Not like we are living in a government under coup or anything......

 

[sirhrmechanic]

thats why I dont fly anymore.

Except that they are putting FR cameras on highways now. Every car that goes by... occupants/driver are photographed.

London's "Steel Ring" I think it is called has been around a couple of decades at least. Made life untenable for the IRA. And yet never seems to catch a single muzzie knifing someone?

Some of this stuff has no use except to nail someone they want to nail. DC is supposely one of the most surveiled places in the USA... yet they couldn't come up with squat on Seth Rich.

Thanks that make you go "hummmmmmm...."

Sirhr

 

[Sled]

I personally don't like it, but I do not see it as a violation of any rights, especially search and seizure. Anytime you venture into a public place, someone can take your picture. In fact, I would be willing to bet there are facial recognition cameras on streets in certain places that we just never hear about. And while travelling may be a right, getting on an airplane is not. All they have to say is, don't like it, don't fly.

 

[ArmyJerry]

They are id ing you not just taking a picture,,, and its not someone doing it it’s a corrupt and increasingly tyrannical armed apparatus of a corrupt and threatening state.... that is restricted by the 4th amendment,,,,

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Riding down the road, or just walking along it's easy to pass unnoticed, if you don't have herd mentality.

 

[Sled]

They are id ing you not just taking a picture,,, and its not someone doing it it’s a corrupt and increasingly tyrannical armed apparatus of a corrupt and threatening state.... that is restricted by the 4th amendment,,,,

And if you stop in the airport bar, have a drink, get up and leave and they come take the glass and fingerprint it to ID you, or collect your DNA, do you find that a violation of the 4th as well? What about them going through your trash on the curb? Because I wouldn't like either of those either, but they are not violations. Just because we don't like something, and again I note I do not like this, does not mean it's unconstitutional.

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Many people who you think are on your side are getting paid by those who are not. Blood banks, labs, Dr's offices, an many other places will sell your DNA in the blink of an eye. That said tech works both ways,...

 

[pmclaine]

I personally don't like it, but I do not see it as a violation of any rights, especially search and seizure. Anytime you venture into a public place, someone can take your picture. In fact, I would be willing to bet there are facial recognition cameras on streets in certain places that we just never hear about. And while travelling may be a right, getting on an airplane is not. All they have to say is, don't like it, don't fly.

If a private business decides to put up cameras, and many do, than I am okay with that.

I do not want the govt doing it though.

4th Amend pretty much prohibits gov from doing so.

The problem is the abuse of power.

Do we not recognize this in current events?

Trumps campaign was illegally surveilled despite all the protections we were told would prevent such abuses happening.

If they can get away with those abuses against a candidate rolling a citizen is easy.

 

[Sled]

If a private business decides to put up cameras, and many do, than I am okay with that.

I do not want the govt doing it though.

4th Amend pretty much prohibits gov from doing so.

The problem is the abuse of power.

Do we not recognize this in current events?

Trumps campaign was illegally surveilled despite all the protections we were told would prevent such abuses happening.

If they can get away with those abuses against a candidate rolling a citizen is easy.

I agree, it's ripe for abuse... and like I said, I don't like it. I just don't see it rising to a 4th amendment violation. The TSA is a governmental agency, but airlines are private companies.

 

[Maggot]

Well, Im looking forward to a 'Brave New World' coming shortly after '1984'. Oh, wait.

 

[Loonhunter]

Lots to think/discuss/debate.
But not today.
Happy Easter gents.

 

[deersniper]

Goes right along with having mobile and fixed position gov and "private" plate scanners all over the place. Goes along with the cameras at every traffic intersection.

The founding fathers would have banned this crap from .gov too if they had thought of it.

We are done.


Only an idiot mindless statist would be ok with all this crap. People like the "if you have nothing to hide" crowd

 

[PinesAndProjectiles]

Traveling is a privilege . The mode of travel isn’t. Those planes are owned by a business. They spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a single plane. And they do so in order to make a profit. So there is a trade off. If you want the convenience of traveling at 500mph then you’ll have to endure the inconvenience of security measures. Or buy your own plane.
It sucks. I remember the days when anyone could go anywhere in an airport. You could even help grandma get settled in her seat and then de-plane. Of course that all changed.
So what is the answer?
Absolute freedom for anyone to board with zero restrictions or security?
Complete submission to whatever authority no matter how intrusive?
Or strike a balance somewhere in between?
As I said originally, I’m ok with cameras in the context of airport security. Not with widespread use.
And I just can’t make the argument that comparing my image against a database of known terrorists rises to the level of an unreasonable search.
If these measures were to be abused in the future, then we end that abuse. We don’t end the measures.

I’ll disagree. The planes are owned by private business. The security is run by a government alphabet agency.

I understand that government takes a portion of your plane ticket to pay for the security, but it’s not like the airlines have a choice.

Absolute freedom is the only answer. Let me and my like minded friends take it upon ourselves to provide our own security. I will even volunteer to help provide security for others on the plane.

It may start with pictures, but will evolve to fingerprints, DNA, urine samples, etc. Government takes an inch knowing damn well they will slowly take a mile. It’s never enough.

 

[Rthur]

That's how we got the Patriot Act and secret FISA courts.

Fear has been used to sell all sorts of overreach.

R

 

[Gunfighter14e2]

Fear has been used to sell all sorts of overreach.

R

Sheep being sheep are dragging true Americans down,.... Maybe it's just time to allow the sheep to be killed off, to save America for Americans?