M1A troy or SAGE stocks??
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone here have the TROY stock on there M1A? I want to get either a TROY or the SAGE stock. Just trying to get actual owners experiences before i spend the money. Thanks </div></div>
I have used both stocks and I worked with Steve Troy on a prototype of the TROY stock.
The TROY is best suited to the SOCOM 16. The SAGE is best suited to M14/M1A rifles with 18.0" and 22.0" barrels.
The US military uses the SAGE EBR stock, they are used to build the M14EBR-RI, MK14 Mod 0 & Mod 1 and the MK14 SEI.
I don't own a SOCOM 16 ... I have two MK14s and a M21A5 Crazy Horse EBR, all three are in SAGE EBR stocks.
One is a Mod 0 stock, two are Mod 1 stocks.
Also, the TROY is heavy - almost as heavy as the SAGE Mod 0 stock. The SAGE Mod 1 stock with a CTR butt stock is about 2.5 lbs. lighter than the TROY and SAGE Mod 0.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone here have the TROY stock on there M1A? I want to get either a TROY or the SAGE stock. Just trying to get actual owners experiences before i spend the money. Thanks </div></div>
I have used both stocks and I worked with Steve Troy on a prototype of the TROY stock.
The TROY is best suited to the SOCOM 16. The SAGE is best suited to M14/M1A rifles with 18.0" and 22.0" barrels.
The US military uses the SAGE EBR stock, they are used to build the M14EBR-RI, MK14 Mod 0 & Mod 1 and the MK14 SEI.
I don't own a SOCOM 16 ... I have two MK14s and a M21A5 Crazy Horse EBR, all three are in SAGE EBR stocks.
One is a Mod 0 stock, two are Mod 1 stocks.
Also, the TROY is heavy - almost as heavy as the SAGE Mod 0 stock. The SAGE Mod 1 stock with a CTR butt stock is about 2.5 lbs. lighter than the TROY and SAGE Mod 0.
Visit The M14HDW Forum for additional information.
Re: M1A troy or SAGE stocks??
I had 2 of the troy stocks, sold one here on the hide just recently. Like H2O said, they are heavy, but they have plenty of rail space to add whatever you want. I still have one and I plan on keeping it, but I will be buying an EBR for my next M1A.
I had 2 of the troy stocks, sold one here on the hide just recently. Like H2O said, they are heavy, but they have plenty of rail space to add whatever you want. I still have one and I plan on keeping it, but I will be buying an EBR for my next M1A.
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Thanks for the info H20 man, i have the 18" scout and my receiver is out of spec, which is making me like the troy. As far as the SAGE ive seen people taking the Larue mount and flipping it. Has anyone heard of that being effective, or getting good eye relief?
-jaw921, nice rifle! was thinking of getting am acog 4x, how do you like the aimpoint with the mag?
Thanks for the info H20 man, i have the 18" scout and my receiver is out of spec, which is making me like the troy. As far as the SAGE ive seen people taking the Larue mount and flipping it. Has anyone heard of that being effective, or getting good eye relief?
-jaw921, nice rifle! was thinking of getting am acog 4x, how do you like the aimpoint with the mag?
Re: M1A troy or SAGE stocks??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info H20 man, i have the 18" scout and my receiver is out of spec, which is making me like the troy. As far as the SAGE ive seen people taking the Larue mount and flipping it. Has anyone heard of that being effective, or getting good eye relief?
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I prefer the LaRue LT-608 that's made for the SAGE EBR.
You should also look at the SAGE Detachable Cantilevered Sight Base.
The rings are low SEI wire EDM. BTW, what is out of spec on your receiver?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks for the info H20 man, i have the 18" scout and my receiver is out of spec, which is making me like the troy. As far as the SAGE ive seen people taking the Larue mount and flipping it. Has anyone heard of that being effective, or getting good eye relief?
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I prefer the LaRue LT-608 that's made for the SAGE EBR.
You should also look at the SAGE Detachable Cantilevered Sight Base.
The rings are low SEI wire EDM. BTW, what is out of spec on your receiver?
Re: M1A troy or SAGE stocks??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
-jaw921, nice rifle! was thinking of getting am acog 4x, how do you like the aimpoint with the mag?</div></div>
I like the aimpoint a lot, but not the magnifier. I purchased the aimpoint for close range shooting so I have no purpose for the magnifier. Having a flip to side mag. just isn't my thing I geuss. I will be replacing that aimpoint setup with a fixed scope.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
-jaw921, nice rifle! was thinking of getting am acog 4x, how do you like the aimpoint with the mag?</div></div>
I like the aimpoint a lot, but not the magnifier. I purchased the aimpoint for close range shooting so I have no purpose for the magnifier. Having a flip to side mag. just isn't my thing I geuss. I will be replacing that aimpoint setup with a fixed scope.
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I prefer the LaRue LT-608 that's made for the SAGE EBR.
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H2O MAN, where can you purchase these mounts? They don't have them on their website.
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I prefer the LaRue LT-608 that's made for the SAGE EBR.
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H2O MAN, where can you purchase these mounts? They don't have them on their website.
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Again H20 man thanks for all your info. I never knew that larue or sage made a mount for the that stock. Its perfect. The slot below the screw hole on the left side of the receiver where the mount sits is out of "spec". the top edge has more of an edge and it narrows from right to left... Springfield Armory did'nt care to much when my rifle was built.
Again H20 man thanks for all your info. I never knew that larue or sage made a mount for the that stock. Its perfect. The slot below the screw hole on the left side of the receiver where the mount sits is out of "spec". the top edge has more of an edge and it narrows from right to left... Springfield Armory did'nt care to much when my rifle was built.
Re: M1A troy or SAGE stocks??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again H20 man thanks for all your info. I never knew that larue made a mount for the sage stock. Its perfect. </div></div>
No problem. I have 3 of the LT-608 mounts, they are solid.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The slot below the screw hole on the left side of the receiver where the mount sits is out of "spec". the top edge has more of an edge and it narrows from right to left... Springfield Armory did'nt care to much when my rifle was built.</div></div>
Understood - it happens.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again H20 man thanks for all your info. I never knew that larue made a mount for the sage stock. Its perfect. </div></div>
No problem. I have 3 of the LT-608 mounts, they are solid.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The slot below the screw hole on the left side of the receiver where the mount sits is out of "spec". the top edge has more of an edge and it narrows from right to left... Springfield Armory did'nt care to much when my rifle was built.</div></div>
Understood - it happens.
Re: M1A troy or SAGE stocks??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again H20 man thanks for all your info. I never knew that larue made a mount for the sage stock. Its perfect. </div></div>
No problem. I have 3 of the LT-608 mounts, they are solid.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The slot below the screw hole on the left side of the receiver where the mount sits is out of "spec". the top edge has more of an edge and it narrows from right to left... Springfield Armory did'nt care to much when my rifle was built.</div></div>
Understood - it happens.</div></div>
1stlDvet is right H2O MAN, all civilian M1A receivers made today are out of spec. The groove on the side of the receiver is usually not wide nor deep enough, and there is variance in the stripper clip guide. To make matters even more difficult, there is variance between the out of spec civilian receivers. So you can get a mount that is built to spec such as a shitty arms#18 and have it not fit right on your M1A, but pass it to a buddy and it will fit better on his. I had this happen to me; I got an arms#18, and the side bolt dictated the fit, so any attempt to straighten the mount caused the bolt to cross thread and strip. When the bolt was tightened flush, the mount wasn't flush with the side of the receiver, and it pointed way off center. To zero the rifle, I had to crank the windage so much that it ate up most of the available windage. I gave the mount to my dad, and it fit better on his M1A. Screw that, I went with a Sadlak mount and had Mike custom fit the mount to my receiver. It fits flush and points straight with the barrel like a mount should. It is pretty gay that SA does not have any sort of quality control for civilian M1As.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: H2O MAN</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Again H20 man thanks for all your info. I never knew that larue made a mount for the sage stock. Its perfect. </div></div>
No problem. I have 3 of the LT-608 mounts, they are solid.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The slot below the screw hole on the left side of the receiver where the mount sits is out of "spec". the top edge has more of an edge and it narrows from right to left... Springfield Armory did'nt care to much when my rifle was built.</div></div>
Understood - it happens.</div></div>
1stlDvet is right H2O MAN, all civilian M1A receivers made today are out of spec. The groove on the side of the receiver is usually not wide nor deep enough, and there is variance in the stripper clip guide. To make matters even more difficult, there is variance between the out of spec civilian receivers. So you can get a mount that is built to spec such as a shitty arms#18 and have it not fit right on your M1A, but pass it to a buddy and it will fit better on his. I had this happen to me; I got an arms#18, and the side bolt dictated the fit, so any attempt to straighten the mount caused the bolt to cross thread and strip. When the bolt was tightened flush, the mount wasn't flush with the side of the receiver, and it pointed way off center. To zero the rifle, I had to crank the windage so much that it ate up most of the available windage. I gave the mount to my dad, and it fit better on his M1A. Screw that, I went with a Sadlak mount and had Mike custom fit the mount to my receiver. It fits flush and points straight with the barrel like a mount should. It is pretty gay that SA does not have any sort of quality control for civilian M1As.
Re: M1A troy or SAGE stocks??
Not a problem with the Mod 0 stock, the cheek riser has plenty of vertical adjustment. There is a 3/4 inch riser available from Magpul for the Mod 1 and I am working on a small quantity of 1.25" risers that will snap onto the CTR butt stock.
Not a problem with the Mod 0 stock, the cheek riser has plenty of vertical adjustment. There is a 3/4 inch riser available from Magpul for the Mod 1 and I am working on a small quantity of 1.25" risers that will snap onto the CTR butt stock.
Re: M1A troy or SAGE stocks??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">H2O man, where would be the best place to order the SAGE mod 1 or mod 0 stock? </div></div>
Clyde Armory
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">H2O man, where would be the best place to order the SAGE mod 1 or mod 0 stock? </div></div>
Clyde Armory
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone have any pictures of an M1A in a SAGE stock with a ACOG mounted? I haven't seen one. yet. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stIDvet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">does anyone have any pictures of an M1A in a SAGE stock with a ACOG mounted? I haven't seen one. yet. </div></div>
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Hi, new here...I don't mean to hijack the thread but h2o man would you mind pm'ing me info on the 1.25" risers? I would be very interested in one or two of them in fde as I am using a mod 1 chassis and may need some more height for the cheek riser(larue lt-608, maybe high rings and an sn-3)
Hi, new here...I don't mean to hijack the thread but h2o man would you mind pm'ing me info on the 1.25" risers? I would be very interested in one or two of them in fde as I am using a mod 1 chassis and may need some more height for the cheek riser(larue lt-608, maybe high rings and an sn-3)
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Hi, I've got myself a Springfield Armory Standard 22" M1A. I have the EBR stock that is adjustable for length of pull and for cheek weld. I am absolutely in love with my set up. I have never used the Troy MCS so I can't give you advice with that.
As far as my M1A goes it has the Gen 3 (not the best optic platform, go with a Sadlak) and Leupold Mark2 3-9x40. With optics and my Harris Bipod on it tips the scales at just over 16 lbs. Suprisingly though it balances perfect for me. I love it, every time I throw it up I'm right on target due to the stock adjustments.
Packing around it gets to be a little heavy but if you get a 2point sling (mine is the SpecOps Master Blaster) carrying it isn't bad.
Assembling it can be time consuming as with mine, but I got it all thrown together on my dining room table at my old apartment. Took an hour or so but I had a glass or two of whiskey and was enjoying the time with my wife.
All in all I highly suggest the Sage.
PM if you have any questions.
Hi, I've got myself a Springfield Armory Standard 22" M1A. I have the EBR stock that is adjustable for length of pull and for cheek weld. I am absolutely in love with my set up. I have never used the Troy MCS so I can't give you advice with that.
As far as my M1A goes it has the Gen 3 (not the best optic platform, go with a Sadlak) and Leupold Mark2 3-9x40. With optics and my Harris Bipod on it tips the scales at just over 16 lbs. Suprisingly though it balances perfect for me. I love it, every time I throw it up I'm right on target due to the stock adjustments.
Packing around it gets to be a little heavy but if you get a 2point sling (mine is the SpecOps Master Blaster) carrying it isn't bad.
Assembling it can be time consuming as with mine, but I got it all thrown together on my dining room table at my old apartment. Took an hour or so but I had a glass or two of whiskey and was enjoying the time with my wife.
All in all I highly suggest the Sage.
PM if you have any questions.
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I know rak187 is just dying to chime in on this thread. He carried an M14 all over the sandbox....he will give you good, real use input.
I know rak187 is just dying to chime in on this thread. He carried an M14 all over the sandbox....he will give you good, real use input.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheDuc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi, new here...I don't mean to hijack the thread but h2o man would you mind pm'ing me info on the 1.25" risers?
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I will pm you as soon as I have deatils to share.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HasgunWilltravel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know rak187 is just dying to chime in on this thread. He carried an M14 all over the sandbox....he will give you good, real use input. </div></div>
Was the M14 rak187 carried bolted into a SAGE EBR stock?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TheDuc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi, new here...I don't mean to hijack the thread but h2o man would you mind pm'ing me info on the 1.25" risers?
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I will pm you as soon as I have deatils to share.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HasgunWilltravel</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know rak187 is just dying to chime in on this thread. He carried an M14 all over the sandbox....he will give you good, real use input. </div></div>
Was the M14 rak187 carried bolted into a SAGE EBR stock?
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I have no experience with the troy so I won’t comment on that setup; however I do have quite a bit of experience with the Sage EBR. My M14 was a basic Springfield 22” that was given to me just prior to my second deployment in 2005, we received them about 2 month before leaving, brand new out of the crates mine was built in 1971. Crazy when you get issued a weapon that is considered new but yet it’s still older than you. That rifle still had the old wood stock and about 200ibs of packing grease on it. Took about 3 days of cleaning to get that dam gun ready for its new stock and a few other upgrades the armors thought we needed. The first stock we bolted on was the Sage EBR
First off the Sage EBR is pretty dam heavy; unless you’re shooting in the prone 90% of the time I would pass on the Sage. Offhand shooting is possible but takes a lot out of a guy in 100+ degrees and no sleep; I also felt the fore grip was too wide and there are a lot of places on that stock to get things snagged on. Sucks when you need to get out of the truck quickly and you have to fight getting your weapon out. We added the Surefire M4 Rail Covers to help combat that problem but still you will get that weapon snagged on something. I understand the concept of the design but if you’re going to carry something into combat sometimes a simple design is far superior. Really why do you need a shit ton of rails as a Designated Marksmen or Sniper? The only thing you really need to have on your weapon is AN/PEQ 2. Needless to say about 4 months in theater I went back to an original USGI fiberglass stock.
I will say the Sage is a very well built stock, all the adjustments were rock sold, and eye relief was right on the money. If you plan on just using this stock for messing around at the range or at home then yeah why not, but if I were deployed again and told I had a choice between and Sage or the original wood stock, I’d take the wood stock.
Now I know people are going to probably start flaming me now, please take into consideration this was my experience with this stock, I don’t care what you spend your money on, or what you decide to carry. Do not let what I say change your mind.
I have no experience with the troy so I won’t comment on that setup; however I do have quite a bit of experience with the Sage EBR. My M14 was a basic Springfield 22” that was given to me just prior to my second deployment in 2005, we received them about 2 month before leaving, brand new out of the crates mine was built in 1971. Crazy when you get issued a weapon that is considered new but yet it’s still older than you. That rifle still had the old wood stock and about 200ibs of packing grease on it. Took about 3 days of cleaning to get that dam gun ready for its new stock and a few other upgrades the armors thought we needed. The first stock we bolted on was the Sage EBR
First off the Sage EBR is pretty dam heavy; unless you’re shooting in the prone 90% of the time I would pass on the Sage. Offhand shooting is possible but takes a lot out of a guy in 100+ degrees and no sleep; I also felt the fore grip was too wide and there are a lot of places on that stock to get things snagged on. Sucks when you need to get out of the truck quickly and you have to fight getting your weapon out. We added the Surefire M4 Rail Covers to help combat that problem but still you will get that weapon snagged on something. I understand the concept of the design but if you’re going to carry something into combat sometimes a simple design is far superior. Really why do you need a shit ton of rails as a Designated Marksmen or Sniper? The only thing you really need to have on your weapon is AN/PEQ 2. Needless to say about 4 months in theater I went back to an original USGI fiberglass stock.
I will say the Sage is a very well built stock, all the adjustments were rock sold, and eye relief was right on the money. If you plan on just using this stock for messing around at the range or at home then yeah why not, but if I were deployed again and told I had a choice between and Sage or the original wood stock, I’d take the wood stock.
Now I know people are going to probably start flaming me now, please take into consideration this was my experience with this stock, I don’t care what you spend your money on, or what you decide to carry. Do not let what I say change your mind.
Re: M1A troy or SAGE stocks??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rak187</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My M14 was a basic Springfield 22” that was given to me just prior to my second deployment in 2005 ... The first stock we bolted on was the Sage EBR
First off the Sage EBR is pretty dam heavy; unless you’re shooting in the prone 90% of the time I would pass on the Sage.
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OK.
The stock you had would have been one of the original, heavy as a boat anchor, full length SAGE EBR stocks like the one pictured below.
These vintage EBR stocks lacked the weight reducing cuts and holes found on the shorter "Chop Mod" that replaced it.
I have a rare 1 of 25 made full length EBRs that has the weight reducing holes and it's still heavy.
The current crop of SAGE EBR chassis are shorter and lighter than the two pictured above and the Mod 1 version with the AR style receiver extension tube is about 2.50 lbs lighter than the same chassis with the fully adjustable butt stock assembly used on all early EBR stocks.
The Mod 1 style EBR stock with a Magpul CTR butt stock can be light and manageable. The 18.0" barrel makes it even more manageable.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rak187</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My M14 was a basic Springfield 22” that was given to me just prior to my second deployment in 2005 ... The first stock we bolted on was the Sage EBR
First off the Sage EBR is pretty dam heavy; unless you’re shooting in the prone 90% of the time I would pass on the Sage.
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OK.
The stock you had would have been one of the original, heavy as a boat anchor, full length SAGE EBR stocks like the one pictured below.
These vintage EBR stocks lacked the weight reducing cuts and holes found on the shorter "Chop Mod" that replaced it.
I have a rare 1 of 25 made full length EBRs that has the weight reducing holes and it's still heavy.
The current crop of SAGE EBR chassis are shorter and lighter than the two pictured above and the Mod 1 version with the AR style receiver extension tube is about 2.50 lbs lighter than the same chassis with the fully adjustable butt stock assembly used on all early EBR stocks.
The Mod 1 style EBR stock with a Magpul CTR butt stock can be light and manageable. The 18.0" barrel makes it even more manageable.
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Wow this thread got bigger than I thought. Im leaning towards SAGE MOD 1 now. The SAGE Detachable Cantilevered Sight Base and the LaRue LT-608 really make mounting optics easy. Wish I could handle both stocks and get a good feeling with them. If anyone else chimes in on this thread and has questions on these stocks also I recommend visiting the M14HDW Forum. Great people with a ton of information and first hand experience. H20MAN really knows what hes talking about and is always willing to help. Thanks everyone for the advice and info.
Wow this thread got bigger than I thought. Im leaning towards SAGE MOD 1 now. The SAGE Detachable Cantilevered Sight Base and the LaRue LT-608 really make mounting optics easy. Wish I could handle both stocks and get a good feeling with them. If anyone else chimes in on this thread and has questions on these stocks also I recommend visiting the M14HDW Forum. Great people with a ton of information and first hand experience. H20MAN really knows what hes talking about and is always willing to help. Thanks everyone for the advice and info.
