Anybody know much about the Match rifle Sights?
Looked at the Centra. Also a good place to buy them? Thanks
Looked at the Centra. Also a good place to buy them? Thanks
Rifle Scopes Match Rifle SIghts
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Re: Match Rifle SIghts
I've to buy them too, for my tube gun.
I'm still undecided between Phoenix Precision, Warner Tool Company and Centra, for the rear sight.
Once you add up front and rear sight and irises, they are NOT cheap!
I've to buy them too, for my tube gun.
I'm still undecided between Phoenix Precision, Warner Tool Company and Centra, for the rear sight.
Once you add up front and rear sight and irises, they are NOT cheap!
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I am using the TUBB sites in a t2k and there working out fine these are compatable with the iris system from centra I beleive
Bill
I am using the TUBB sites in a t2k and there working out fine these are compatable with the iris system from centra I beleive
Bill
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Tubb quit making his rear site and his front is made by Ken Porter plus he has not adopted the 30mms.
Warner and Riles or Warner and Stallings Machine.
Tubb quit making his rear site and his front is made by Ken Porter plus he has not adopted the 30mms.
Warner and Riles or Warner and Stallings Machine.
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Alan Warner makes the best rear sight available.For front sights Centra or RPA.
Warner sights are made one at a time as they are orderd, so check Warner's web sight. Champions choise and Sinclair's also have a good selection of sights.
Alan Warner makes the best rear sight available.For front sights Centra or RPA.
Warner sights are made one at a time as they are orderd, so check Warner's web sight. Champions choise and Sinclair's also have a good selection of sights.
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If you add all the parts up for the match sights. They are expensive. This is more complex than putting the rifle together. I went to buy the sights and realized I was over my head on that.
If you add all the parts up for the match sights. They are expensive. This is more complex than putting the rifle together. I went to buy the sights and realized I was over my head on that.
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Oh and Gehmann 510 rear aperture. It is the anvil of rear apertures. More range and less money than the similar Anschutz similar model, very durable.
Oh and Gehmann 510 rear aperture. It is the anvil of rear apertures. More range and less money than the similar Anschutz similar model, very durable.
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Warner #2 rear with Gehmann aperture and 22mm Sinclair front ladder with Centra iris for me. If had to do front over, would go with 30mm.
AG in NC
Warner #2 rear with Gehmann aperture and 22mm Sinclair front ladder with Centra iris for me. If had to do front over, would go with 30mm.
AG in NC
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I have been looking at the Gehmann aperture. I think that is what I want to do on the rear. Is a 22 better than 30?
I have been looking at the Gehmann aperture. I think that is what I want to do on the rear. Is a 22 better than 30?
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I've got a Centra receiver sight, and I do not like it as much as the RPA which it replaced. I've got a Gehm. 510 and 520 aperture set with an 18mm Anschutz globe.
I've got a Centra receiver sight, and I do not like it as much as the RPA which it replaced. I've got a Gehm. 510 and 520 aperture set with an 18mm Anschutz globe.
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I have great things about the Phoniex. I might go that route with a Gehm rear iris. Don't know about the front.
I have great things about the Phoniex. I might go that route with a Gehm rear iris. Don't know about the front.
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Get a Warner rear, no#1 for High-Power, #2 for 1000/Palma, Stallings Machine "Right Sight", or Scott Riles 30mm. If your a serious competitor you'll end up with these. I have six of each................
Get a Warner rear, no#1 for High-Power, #2 for 1000/Palma, Stallings Machine "Right Sight", or Scott Riles 30mm. If your a serious competitor you'll end up with these. I have six of each................
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Warner is as good as it gets for your rear sight, with Phoenix being a very close second. I have both - got the Warner first, then bought a Phoenix for another rifle. If I had bought the Phoenix first I probably would have 2 phoenix sights right now instead of one of each, the reason being the cost. $500 for the Warner and $355 for the Phoenix and to me, the Warner is a bit better but just not $155 better. I like the knobs of the Warner a little bit better and I like that each click is numbered for easy visual reference vs every 4th click numbered on the phoenix. Both sights have 12 clicks per revolution(3 MOA, depending on sight radius). Both are top-notch as far as quality of materials and workmanship and both track absolutely dead-on.
For front sights I have 2 RightSights from Stallings Machine. One is set up for XTC shooting and the other for long range with front and rear sunshades.
I haven't found anything better.
Good luck,
Erik
Warner is as good as it gets for your rear sight, with Phoenix being a very close second. I have both - got the Warner first, then bought a Phoenix for another rifle. If I had bought the Phoenix first I probably would have 2 phoenix sights right now instead of one of each, the reason being the cost. $500 for the Warner and $355 for the Phoenix and to me, the Warner is a bit better but just not $155 better. I like the knobs of the Warner a little bit better and I like that each click is numbered for easy visual reference vs every 4th click numbered on the phoenix. Both sights have 12 clicks per revolution(3 MOA, depending on sight radius). Both are top-notch as far as quality of materials and workmanship and both track absolutely dead-on.
For front sights I have 2 RightSights from Stallings Machine. One is set up for XTC shooting and the other for long range with front and rear sunshades.
I haven't found anything better.
Good luck,
Erik
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I order the Phoenix rear sight. Nothing else yet still reading on the suggestions.
I order the Phoenix rear sight. Nothing else yet still reading on the suggestions.
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I looked at the Warners. They look nice but almost double the money. I think the Phoenix will be good for me. I have to buy 2 sets. If I went with the Warners it would be 1300 instead of 760 or so.
I looked at the Warners. They look nice but almost double the money. I think the Phoenix will be good for me. I have to buy 2 sets. If I went with the Warners it would be 1300 instead of 760 or so.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HotIce</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've to buy them too, for my tube gun.
I'm still undecided between Phoenix Precision, Warner Tool Company and Centra, for the rear sight.
Once you add up front and rear sight and irises, they are NOT cheap!
</div></div>
Exact same situation here...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: criver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Warner rear, no#1 for High-Power, #2 for 1000/Palma...</div></div>
Can you help me understand the differences, and why they're important?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Erud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For front sights I have 2 RightSights from Stallings Machine. One is set up for XTC shooting and the other for long range with front and rear sunshades.
</div></div>
Here also, can you help by explaining the difference in setup/config, and why it's important?
Hoping to use my MAK for both XTC and longrange...
OP: Hope you don't feel I'm not hijacking your thread -- seems relevant?
Thanks in advance,
-Slice
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HotIce</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've to buy them too, for my tube gun.
I'm still undecided between Phoenix Precision, Warner Tool Company and Centra, for the rear sight.
Once you add up front and rear sight and irises, they are NOT cheap!
Exact same situation here...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: criver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Warner rear, no#1 for High-Power, #2 for 1000/Palma...</div></div>
Can you help me understand the differences, and why they're important?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Erud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For front sights I have 2 RightSights from Stallings Machine. One is set up for XTC shooting and the other for long range with front and rear sunshades.
</div></div>
Here also, can you help by explaining the difference in setup/config, and why it's important?
Hoping to use my MAK for both XTC and longrange...
OP: Hope you don't feel I'm not hijacking your thread -- seems relevant?
Thanks in advance,
-Slice
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HomeSlice</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HotIce</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've to buy them too, for my tube gun.
I'm still undecided between Phoenix Precision, Warner Tool Company and Centra, for the rear sight.
Once you add up front and rear sight and irises, they are NOT cheap!
</div></div>
Exact same situation here...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: criver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Warner rear, no#1 for High-Power, #2 for 1000/Palma...</div></div>
Can you help me understand the differences, and why they're important?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Erud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For front sights I have 2 RightSights from Stallings Machine. One is set up for XTC shooting and the other for long range with front and rear sunshades.
</div></div>
Here also, can you help by explaining the difference in setup/config, and why it's important?
Hoping to use my MAK for both XTC and longrange...
OP: Hope you don't feel I'm not hijacking your thread -- seems relevant?
Thanks in advance,
-Slice
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As far as the RightSights go, the sight by itself is around 2 inches long but with the front and rear shades it is probably 5 or 6 inches long. The shades are great for prone shooting but they catch a lot of wind in the offhand position, especially at the end of a 28" long barrel. For that reason I just use the sight with no shades for my XTC gun. Also, you can buy extra bases and move the sight between different rifles in about 5 seconds. It's totally repeatable - just remember your "0" stem settings on each rifle. Check out the pics on stallings web page if you haven't already - top pic shows the sight with and without shades:
http://www.stallingsmachine.com/
Good luck,
Erik
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HomeSlice</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HotIce</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've to buy them too, for my tube gun.
I'm still undecided between Phoenix Precision, Warner Tool Company and Centra, for the rear sight.
Once you add up front and rear sight and irises, they are NOT cheap!
Exact same situation here...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: criver</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get a Warner rear, no#1 for High-Power, #2 for 1000/Palma...</div></div>
Can you help me understand the differences, and why they're important?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Erud</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
For front sights I have 2 RightSights from Stallings Machine. One is set up for XTC shooting and the other for long range with front and rear sunshades.
</div></div>
Here also, can you help by explaining the difference in setup/config, and why it's important?
Hoping to use my MAK for both XTC and longrange...
OP: Hope you don't feel I'm not hijacking your thread -- seems relevant?
Thanks in advance,
-Slice
</div></div>
As far as the RightSights go, the sight by itself is around 2 inches long but with the front and rear shades it is probably 5 or 6 inches long. The shades are great for prone shooting but they catch a lot of wind in the offhand position, especially at the end of a 28" long barrel. For that reason I just use the sight with no shades for my XTC gun. Also, you can buy extra bases and move the sight between different rifles in about 5 seconds. It's totally repeatable - just remember your "0" stem settings on each rifle. Check out the pics on stallings web page if you haven't already - top pic shows the sight with and without shades:
http://www.stallingsmachine.com/
Good luck,
Erik
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Stallings is another big name. I will look at them. Right now mostly shooting in the prone.
Stallings is another big name. I will look at them. Right now mostly shooting in the prone.
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I read on the Stallings. It looks like it comes with pretty much everything. I tried to call them but they wasn't open yet. The 30mm seems to be the way to go on the front sight. Is there a big advantage to the 30mm?
I read on the Stallings. It looks like it comes with pretty much everything. I tried to call them but they wasn't open yet. The 30mm seems to be the way to go on the front sight. Is there a big advantage to the 30mm?
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Talked with the guy who builds the Phoenix Rear sights. Great guy. I'am going to order the Stallings on Monday. I did the Gehm 510. Thanks for the help. A lot good advice.
Talked with the guy who builds the Phoenix Rear sights. Great guy. I'am going to order the Stallings on Monday. I did the Gehm 510. Thanks for the help. A lot good advice.
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dar,
I'm a service rifle guy (trying to get into match rifle XTC and longrange/palma next year), so take this w/ a grain of salt. Hopefully some of the others will chime in.
I'm pretty sure the rules say you can't have an iris on both front and back at the sametime. If you have that Gehmann on the front, what are you going to do on the phoenix on the rear?
Just curious what you and others are doing...
-Slice
dar,
I'm a service rifle guy (trying to get into match rifle XTC and longrange/palma next year), so take this w/ a grain of salt. Hopefully some of the others will chime in.
I'm pretty sure the rules say you can't have an iris on both front and back at the sametime. If you have that Gehmann on the front, what are you going to do on the phoenix on the rear?
Just curious what you and others are doing...
-Slice
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I think you are right about the iris in you can't have both front and rear. I could be wrong also. I thought I would purchase both to see which one I like more.
On the rear iris I might try the color one. I have the 510 ordered right now but will experiment this winter with this.
I think you are right about the iris in you can't have both front and rear. I could be wrong also. I thought I would purchase both to see which one I like more.
On the rear iris I might try the color one. I have the 510 ordered right now but will experiment this winter with this.
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Wrong. You cannot have a lens on front & rear.......... one or the other. Adjustable Iris is no problem.
Wrong. You cannot have a lens on front & rear.......... one or the other. Adjustable Iris is no problem.
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I would think the rear sight would be the one I would want more. Is this that correct?
I would think the rear sight would be the one I would want more. Is this that correct?
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If you are gonna spend $3k on a rifle and sights I suggest you spend another $7.00 on a rulebook. We would not be recommending front and rear adjustable apertures along with a front lens if they were not legal for the sport.
If you are gonna spend $3k on a rifle and sights I suggest you spend another $7.00 on a rulebook. We would not be recommending front and rear adjustable apertures along with a front lens if they were not legal for the sport.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LoL. You may be right. </div></div>As NineHotel implied, you can have an iris rear and adjustable front aperture sight. You cannot have magnifying optics on both sights, e.g. a front sight with .5 lens and rear sight with the diopter option.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LoL. You may be right. </div></div>As NineHotel implied, you can have an iris rear and adjustable front aperture sight. You cannot have magnifying optics on both sights, e.g. a front sight with .5 lens and rear sight with the diopter option.
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If you get the Stallings Machine Right Sight it will have a very good .5 lens.... A lens in the rear will keep you shooting marksmans scores for a long time. Crap for long range. I tried them about 15 years ago, cheap and have horrible parallax.
If you get the Stallings Machine Right Sight it will have a very good .5 lens.... A lens in the rear will keep you shooting marksmans scores for a long time. Crap for long range. I tried them about 15 years ago, cheap and have horrible parallax.
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I'am going to get the Stallings 30mm. I think Ninehotel is right. Who would have thought that there would be this much to think about in match rifle. When I started to plan to shoot this. I figured it would be easy to setup. Kinda figured that one wrong. Another lesson learned.
I'am going to get the Stallings 30mm. I think Ninehotel is right. Who would have thought that there would be this much to think about in match rifle. When I started to plan to shoot this. I figured it would be easy to setup. Kinda figured that one wrong. Another lesson learned.
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It is actually very easy. We already told you all you need to know.
I built my Palma rifle with these brands strung together and equipment has not been an issue. I wanted my Palma rifle to be like my Service Rifle - good stuff that works so I can get on with the shooting. Here is the list -
Barnard/Mastin/Krieger/Warner/Gehmann 510/Riles/Sierra/Lapua/Varget
30mm US made sight is a no brainer decision. The imported stuff Sinclair has - forget it.
It is actually very easy. We already told you all you need to know.
I built my Palma rifle with these brands strung together and equipment has not been an issue. I wanted my Palma rifle to be like my Service Rifle - good stuff that works so I can get on with the shooting. Here is the list -
Barnard/Mastin/Krieger/Warner/Gehmann 510/Riles/Sierra/Lapua/Varget
30mm US made sight is a no brainer decision. The imported stuff Sinclair has - forget it.
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