Mossin Nagant
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800 yards? on a mosin nagant? i would be looking at lower power scopes like a 4x or 6x fixed or a variable with 2-7x ir 3-9
800 yards? on a mosin nagant? i would be looking at lower power scopes like a 4x or 6x fixed or a variable with 2-7x ir 3-9
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an unmodified "regular" version? no, it will reach out im sure but not with any accuracy. if your shooting minute of pie plate at 100 yards what can you expect at 800?
an unmodified "regular" version? no, it will reach out im sure but not with any accuracy. if your shooting minute of pie plate at 100 yards what can you expect at 800?
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Unless you picket up a valmet reworked m-39 and got your hands on some 7N1 match ammo, I question the accuracy of your rig.
It can reach out, but with a surplus 91/30 and some bulgy 147 grainers, 800 yards is a exercise in futility.
Unless you picket up a valmet reworked m-39 and got your hands on some 7N1 match ammo, I question the accuracy of your rig.
It can reach out, but with a surplus 91/30 and some bulgy 147 grainers, 800 yards is a exercise in futility.
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While having decent accuracy for their time, a Mosin Nagant isn't a precision rifle by any means. Though some are more accurate than others, I don't think you could consistantly hit a man sized target past 400 meters, much less make an ethical kill on an animal. DeepEastKilla is right I would go with a lower magnification such as 4x or 6x, or variable 3x9.
Interesting fact: During WW2 the Russians used fixed 3.5x and 4x.
While having decent accuracy for their time, a Mosin Nagant isn't a precision rifle by any means. Though some are more accurate than others, I don't think you could consistantly hit a man sized target past 400 meters, much less make an ethical kill on an animal. DeepEastKilla is right I would go with a lower magnification such as 4x or 6x, or variable 3x9.
Interesting fact: During WW2 the Russians used fixed 3.5x and 4x.
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Save some dough up and build asniper clone. Don't expect spectacular results, but they shoot decent with modern bullets scoped.
Save some dough up and build asniper clone. Don't expect spectacular results, but they shoot decent with modern bullets scoped.
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it all depends on your idea of accuracy at 800 yds. if you are wanting to hit a 8 inch steel plate its probably not going to happen with any consistance. if you are rying to hit a barn at 800 yds i bet you can do it every time
it all depends on your idea of accuracy at 800 yds. if you are wanting to hit a 8 inch steel plate its probably not going to happen with any consistance. if you are rying to hit a barn at 800 yds i bet you can do it every time
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I have a coupe nice shooting 91's (and Finn 39's) that would surprise you accuracy wise. The 91's I picked up based on condition #1. All matching with mint barrels and nice crowns. I fired then for accuracy with irons and liked what I saw so I scoped them. A PU scope on one and a PE on the other. The PU has very weak magnification and was more difficult to get a mechanical zero because the scope mount needed machined. The PU once zeroed will shoot Czech silvertip ammo into an honest 2" group. The PE is slightly better with most groups around 1 3/4" @ 100'.
For an antique rifle with crude optics by today standards with old ammo that is very impressive to me. Most guys at the range dont believe it until they tried it themselves. My rifle have the Accumount's PE scope and hex base. The PU was an old century arm rifle from Classic Arms. The scope was mounted crooked but I drilled and re-pinned it.
I lost the damn PU scope cover......
The 39's are on the left end.
I have a coupe nice shooting 91's (and Finn 39's) that would surprise you accuracy wise. The 91's I picked up based on condition #1. All matching with mint barrels and nice crowns. I fired then for accuracy with irons and liked what I saw so I scoped them. A PU scope on one and a PE on the other. The PU has very weak magnification and was more difficult to get a mechanical zero because the scope mount needed machined. The PU once zeroed will shoot Czech silvertip ammo into an honest 2" group. The PE is slightly better with most groups around 1 3/4" @ 100'.
For an antique rifle with crude optics by today standards with old ammo that is very impressive to me. Most guys at the range dont believe it until they tried it themselves. My rifle have the Accumount's PE scope and hex base. The PU was an old century arm rifle from Classic Arms. The scope was mounted crooked but I drilled and re-pinned it.
I lost the damn PU scope cover......
The 39's are on the left end.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man!!! There must be 3 or 400 dollars in rifles on that wall !!!!
I kid I kid. Looks like a wall of fun </div></div>
pshhhhh. lol. im considering getting a mosin from aimsurplus.com im not aware of any place locally that sells them but ive heard good things about aim and im in the market for something i can shoot with irons and has some power.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man!!! There must be 3 or 400 dollars in rifles on that wall !!!!
I kid I kid. Looks like a wall of fun </div></div>
pshhhhh. lol. im considering getting a mosin from aimsurplus.com im not aware of any place locally that sells them but ive heard good things about aim and im in the market for something i can shoot with irons and has some power.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man!!! There must be 3 or 400 dollars in rifles on that wall !!!!
I kid I kid. Looks like a wall of fun </div></div>
I like SKS's for some unknown reason!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rrflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Man!!! There must be 3 or 400 dollars in rifles on that wall !!!!
I kid I kid. Looks like a wall of fun </div></div>
I like SKS's for some unknown reason!
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I have re-built a M39 a few years ago that shoots great, here is the thread
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=29075
I have re-built a M39 a few years ago that shoots great, here is the thread
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=29075
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I'm gonna disagree with many here. If you have a 91/30 with a dicent barrel it will make a good shooter, more then capable of hitting a "mansize target" at 400 yards.
I got my Mossin from Cabelas and was lucky to be able to pick through them to find one with a near perfect barrel and it's a shooter. I will admit I don't use surplus ammo. I use winchester brass and sierra bullets, taking care in reloading as I would any other rifle I want to shoot.
I've kept mine stock, irons and all with the intention of using it in Vintage Military Rifle Matches. The problem, (and its with me, not the gun) is reloading for rapid fire. Now I've used stripper clips in Across the Course guns, and other (US) military guns without too much of a problem, but these stripper clips for the Mossin are kicking my butt.
Guess it just takes a bit of practice.
Anyway I'm a firm supporter of the CMP/NRA Vintage Military Rifle Matches. I think these old rifles deserve the chance to show us they still have it in them.
I'm old but don't feel I'm ready to be put out to pature, I think these old rifles, if they could think, would think the same way.
I've got my Dist Badge, I no longer HAVE to compete, be it to keep my coaching spot for the NG or even stay on the rifle team. I shoot for fun, I dont have anything to prove, and I think that the Vintage Rifle Matches were designed for someone like me who shoots for fun, and not because they have to prove and keep proving themselves.
I'm gonna disagree with many here. If you have a 91/30 with a dicent barrel it will make a good shooter, more then capable of hitting a "mansize target" at 400 yards.
I got my Mossin from Cabelas and was lucky to be able to pick through them to find one with a near perfect barrel and it's a shooter. I will admit I don't use surplus ammo. I use winchester brass and sierra bullets, taking care in reloading as I would any other rifle I want to shoot.
I've kept mine stock, irons and all with the intention of using it in Vintage Military Rifle Matches. The problem, (and its with me, not the gun) is reloading for rapid fire. Now I've used stripper clips in Across the Course guns, and other (US) military guns without too much of a problem, but these stripper clips for the Mossin are kicking my butt.
Guess it just takes a bit of practice.
Anyway I'm a firm supporter of the CMP/NRA Vintage Military Rifle Matches. I think these old rifles deserve the chance to show us they still have it in them.
I'm old but don't feel I'm ready to be put out to pature, I think these old rifles, if they could think, would think the same way.
I've got my Dist Badge, I no longer HAVE to compete, be it to keep my coaching spot for the NG or even stay on the rifle team. I shoot for fun, I dont have anything to prove, and I think that the Vintage Rifle Matches were designed for someone like me who shoots for fun, and not because they have to prove and keep proving themselves.
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These rifels are just fun to shoot, my buddy has one and yeah it might not be a M24 or M40 but it has great history and is an awesome weapon, think Lyudmila Pavlichenko, Vassili Zaitsev, Simo Hayha great snipers with an average weapon this rifle is great because of it's history
These rifels are just fun to shoot, my buddy has one and yeah it might not be a M24 or M40 but it has great history and is an awesome weapon, think Lyudmila Pavlichenko, Vassili Zaitsev, Simo Hayha great snipers with an average weapon this rifle is great because of it's history
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I have a great shooting 43 PU sniper. With SMK loads it will easily shoot 1 moa at 100m. The sharp vertical post in the PU scope is also pretty good for getting a consistant aimpoint, much better than the equivalent NO32 or various German scopes like the Ajac and Dialytans. BUT you have to load for them dont make the mistake that all the americans seem to make and use .308 heads, these are too small, try .303 (.311) SMK's and see how you go.
I have a great shooting 43 PU sniper. With SMK loads it will easily shoot 1 moa at 100m. The sharp vertical post in the PU scope is also pretty good for getting a consistant aimpoint, much better than the equivalent NO32 or various German scopes like the Ajac and Dialytans. BUT you have to load for them dont make the mistake that all the americans seem to make and use .308 heads, these are too small, try .303 (.311) SMK's and see how you go.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stmardiv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you don't think the nagant can reach out to 800 reliably? </div></div>
Funny
sure it'll get there, you might get an angry letter from someone after it does though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1stmardiv</div><div class="ubbcode-body">you don't think the nagant can reach out to 800 reliably? </div></div>
Funny
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For those that laugh at the 91/30 Family my guess is, you were never targeted by one. The 91/30's took many a Western life thru V/N, and many other places.
Just in case some of you may have forgot, Carlos was almost tagged by one as well. Fieldcraft saved Hathcock an Burke, as the 91/30 will never be a match for a 1960's Western built 30-06. The drivers ability to get within said weapons effective range undetected, out weights the best shooter on a two way.
Unless you have the fieldcraft to back you up, I'd not dismiss anything the other person was using. You may very well be good to a grand and farther with your stick, but if your target detection sucks, a 22lr might be something to worry about.
For those that laugh at the 91/30 Family my guess is, you were never targeted by one. The 91/30's took many a Western life thru V/N, and many other places.
Just in case some of you may have forgot, Carlos was almost tagged by one as well. Fieldcraft saved Hathcock an Burke, as the 91/30 will never be a match for a 1960's Western built 30-06. The drivers ability to get within said weapons effective range undetected, out weights the best shooter on a two way.
Unless you have the fieldcraft to back you up, I'd not dismiss anything the other person was using. You may very well be good to a grand and farther with your stick, but if your target detection sucks, a 22lr might be something to worry about.
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No no, dont get me wrong, I wouldn't discount ANY weapon, much less one aimed at me. It is the OP that I and others are questioning; using a nagant as an entry level LR rifle.
No no, dont get me wrong, I wouldn't discount ANY weapon, much less one aimed at me. It is the OP that I and others are questioning; using a nagant as an entry level LR rifle.
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Not aimed at you or any one person.
For a first time shooter to 600yds that weapon will teach you far more about shooting than most will ever admit to. Surplus Ammo is still cheap, and with the right Sierra .311 pill it will do very well with hand loads, depending crown an bore.
A cheaper teaching tool is hard to find. Mine was $69.95 from Coles some time back. After being on the recieving end of one back when, I just had to know for myself if it was the stick or driver.
Fed correct ammo it runs with my pencil barrel Rem 700, 30-06 but I have to drive it a little harder.
Not aimed at you or any one person.
For a first time shooter to 600yds that weapon will teach you far more about shooting than most will ever admit to. Surplus Ammo is still cheap, and with the right Sierra .311 pill it will do very well with hand loads, depending crown an bore.
A cheaper teaching tool is hard to find. Mine was $69.95 from Coles some time back. After being on the recieving end of one back when, I just had to know for myself if it was the stick or driver.
Fed correct ammo it runs with my pencil barrel Rem 700, 30-06 but I have to drive it a little harder.
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Holy cowi just finished reading the 15 pg thread fo fmsnipers mosin. Lots of great info!
Holy cowi just finished reading the 15 pg thread fo fmsnipers mosin. Lots of great info!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fmsniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have re-built a M39 a few years ago that shoots great, here is the thread
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=29075
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Very cool looking stick.
Despite what some others are saying, I have seen more than 1 Nagant shoot consistent MOA.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: fmsniper</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have re-built a M39 a few years ago that shoots great, here is the thread
http://www.surplusrifleforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=29075
Very cool looking stick.
Despite what some others are saying, I have seen more than 1 Nagant shoot consistent MOA.
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Id say scope depends about rifle, and what You are going to do with it. Repro PU -scope is one possibility.
If You have mint one with good barrel, and you are going to feed it with proper ammunition, install rail on top of reciever for modern scope rings and install some 3-12 scope on it.
What!!?! Not any Finn SKY M28-30 in your wall?
Just kiddin- nice collection You have there.
M28-30, M39:s predecessor is the very best Mosin in my opinion. It has all the M39 features already- but tighter .308 competition grade Tikka barrels.
As it was in practice civil guards competition rife before winterwar against soviets. And yes, I have one.
Lapua 185grain D46 was M28-30:s original bullet, sights are spot on with it. M39 was made for Lapua 200grain D166. Both bullets are still in production.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(and Finn 39's) that would surprise you accuracy wise.
The 39's are on the left end.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J3RICHO941</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While having decent accuracy for their time, a Mosin Nagant isn't a precision rifle by any means. Though some are more accurate than others, I don't think you could consistantly hit a man sized target past 400 meters, </div></div>
It depends...not all Mosins are same...
Try good condition original M39 with D166 bullet.
They are typically solid 0.75-1.25MOA rifles. And yes, I have tried several.
Id say scope depends about rifle, and what You are going to do with it. Repro PU -scope is one possibility.
If You have mint one with good barrel, and you are going to feed it with proper ammunition, install rail on top of reciever for modern scope rings and install some 3-12 scope on it.
What!!?! Not any Finn SKY M28-30 in your wall?
Just kiddin- nice collection You have there.
M28-30, M39:s predecessor is the very best Mosin in my opinion. It has all the M39 features already- but tighter .308 competition grade Tikka barrels.
As it was in practice civil guards competition rife before winterwar against soviets. And yes, I have one.
Lapua 185grain D46 was M28-30:s original bullet, sights are spot on with it. M39 was made for Lapua 200grain D166. Both bullets are still in production.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cal50</div><div class="ubbcode-body">(and Finn 39's) that would surprise you accuracy wise.
The 39's are on the left end.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J3RICHO941</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While having decent accuracy for their time, a Mosin Nagant isn't a precision rifle by any means. Though some are more accurate than others, I don't think you could consistantly hit a man sized target past 400 meters, </div></div>
It depends...not all Mosins are same...
Try good condition original M39 with D166 bullet.
They are typically solid 0.75-1.25MOA rifles. And yes, I have tried several.
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I had a mint model 27 I kind of regret selling....
My Tikka 39 is as new with arsenal hang tag and its amazing at 100 yards.Too bad they don't build them like that anymore.
If someone knows how to run a 39 (like a Finn demonstrated) I would not want to be in plain view at any distance.
Lapua is great ammo BTW. I shot some from my Arsenal SAM-7 AK and its a world of difference in accuracy.
Lucky Finns!
I had a mint model 27 I kind of regret selling....
My Tikka 39 is as new with arsenal hang tag and its amazing at 100 yards.Too bad they don't build them like that anymore.
If someone knows how to run a 39 (like a Finn demonstrated) I would not want to be in plain view at any distance.
Lapua is great ammo BTW. I shot some from my Arsenal SAM-7 AK and its a world of difference in accuracy.
Lucky Finns!
