Okay people, what I need is a pretty accurate bolt action rifle preferably chambered in .308 win. I am looking for a gun that can shoot from 100 yard to about 800 yards. I was considering getting a Remington Varmint SPS, but as I did more research I found that the Savage 10 would also be a good choice. I would like some suggestions on what kind of rifle would suit me. My price range is up to $800. My budget is a bit short so I'm not going to be buying many mods for it. Just need an out of the box accurate gun. Thanks everyone!
Need an Affordable Bolt Gun... Please Help!
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OutlawTen5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stick w/ the Rem 700 </div></div>
+1 and later when the budget affords it you will have a great platform to build on.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: OutlawTen5</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Stick w/ the Rem 700 </div></div>
+1 and later when the budget affords it you will have a great platform to build on.
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Both are good choices, it's a toss up really.I own and shoot both.
THe SPS V came out of the box shooting while the 10fp took alot of load development.Both originally came with 26" barrels but have since cut them down to 20 inches. All things being equal, Savage is slightly faster, the Remington is more accurate and less finicky to load for.
Both are good choices, it's a toss up really.I own and shoot both.
THe SPS V came out of the box shooting while the 10fp took alot of load development.Both originally came with 26" barrels but have since cut them down to 20 inches. All things being equal, Savage is slightly faster, the Remington is more accurate and less finicky to load for.
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SPS tactical = $550-600
Bushnell 3200 10x mil mil = $220
Taley base ring mounts = $43 http://swfa.com/Remington-C2562.aspx
When you can sell off the SPS stock for $30-40 and buy a Bell and Carlson Tactical stock for around $230.Do a little research and learn how to adj the rem trigger and you'll be good to go for awhile.By the time you shoot out the barrel you'll know where you wan't to go from there.
SPS tactical = $550-600
Bushnell 3200 10x mil mil = $220
Taley base ring mounts = $43 http://swfa.com/Remington-C2562.aspx
When you can sell off the SPS stock for $30-40 and buy a Bell and Carlson Tactical stock for around $230.Do a little research and learn how to adj the rem trigger and you'll be good to go for awhile.By the time you shoot out the barrel you'll know where you wan't to go from there.
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Savage stevens 200 in 308 - $289 to $359 depending on sales
Sell the stock and barrel for $70 to $80
Shillen or Mcgowen barrel $270 to $350 depending on options
SSS comp trigger - $40
SSS recoil lug - $27
B&C medalist -$207
Jeff @ CDI can inlet your stock and install bottom metal for about $280
Ten round AICS mag - $75 or so
EGW 20 moa base - $40
You can skip the stevens and buy a action only from Jim at northland if you want, or just get a 10FP and buy a B&C and ship it down to CDI. Either way any above option = hell of a nice budget bolt gun that is capable of great accuracy!
Good luck,
Brett
Savage stevens 200 in 308 - $289 to $359 depending on sales
Sell the stock and barrel for $70 to $80
Shillen or Mcgowen barrel $270 to $350 depending on options
SSS comp trigger - $40
SSS recoil lug - $27
B&C medalist -$207
Jeff @ CDI can inlet your stock and install bottom metal for about $280
Ten round AICS mag - $75 or so
EGW 20 moa base - $40
You can skip the stevens and buy a action only from Jim at northland if you want, or just get a 10FP and buy a B&C and ship it down to CDI. Either way any above option = hell of a nice budget bolt gun that is capable of great accuracy!
Good luck,
Brett
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Now what exactly is inletting the stock and installing bottom medal? also can you give me the website for CDI. Also, i have a youth SPS in .308. could i use the action off of that to save some money?
Now what exactly is inletting the stock and installing bottom medal? also can you give me the website for CDI. Also, i have a youth SPS in .308. could i use the action off of that to save some money?
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Might want to look at the for sale section...
There is a Savage there now that is ready to roll WIHOUT optics.. but its threaded and has a GREAT stock...
Might want to look at the for sale section...
There is a Savage there now that is ready to roll WIHOUT optics.. but its threaded and has a GREAT stock...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supersniper16</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now what exactly is inletting the stock and installing bottom medal? also can you give me the website for CDI. </div></div>
If you go with savage it is going to come with a internal box magazine. When you buy a Bell and Carlson stock it will come with the same. Jeff at CDI precision can convert your stock to a detachable mag. This will involve a little machine work and new bottom metal to accept the mags. Google CDI precision and you will be on your way. Some good resources around here for savage are Axeman and MWroseberry. I am no expert but I will be glad to help you if I can. Also check out savageshooters forum and Sharp Shooter Supply.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supersniper16</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now what exactly is inletting the stock and installing bottom medal? also can you give me the website for CDI. </div></div>
If you go with savage it is going to come with a internal box magazine. When you buy a Bell and Carlson stock it will come with the same. Jeff at CDI precision can convert your stock to a detachable mag. This will involve a little machine work and new bottom metal to accept the mags. Google CDI precision and you will be on your way. Some good resources around here for savage are Axeman and MWroseberry. I am no expert but I will be glad to help you if I can. Also check out savageshooters forum and Sharp Shooter Supply.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supersniper16</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> okay, but if i have a remington 700 sps youth could i use that action and the rifle basix trigger off of that, or would it be better to go with savage? </div></div>
Go with the Savage and Rifle Basix does offer a trigger kit if you don't buy the accutrigger model.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supersniper16</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> okay, but if i have a remington 700 sps youth could i use that action and the rifle basix trigger off of that, or would it be better to go with savage? </div></div>
Go with the Savage and Rifle Basix does offer a trigger kit if you don't buy the accutrigger model.
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If you are never intending to upgrade your rifle, get the savage for the best bang for the dollar. If you think you are going to upgrade the rifle down the future and you really want to get into long range shooting, get the 700. I would get the 700.
If you are never intending to upgrade your rifle, get the savage for the best bang for the dollar. If you think you are going to upgrade the rifle down the future and you really want to get into long range shooting, get the 700. I would get the 700.
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Accurcay-wise, it's probably a coin toss betwixt the Savage and Remington. And <span style="font-style: italic">maybe</span> the Remington 700 is a better action to "customize" in the future. But I'm a big fan of Savage's accutrigger. Haven't used Remington's lateset and greatest factory trigger offering, but a good trigger is worth a lot.
Accurcay-wise, it's probably a coin toss betwixt the Savage and Remington. And <span style="font-style: italic">maybe</span> the Remington 700 is a better action to "customize" in the future. But I'm a big fan of Savage's accutrigger. Haven't used Remington's lateset and greatest factory trigger offering, but a good trigger is worth a lot.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supersniper16</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay people, what I need is a pretty accurate bolt action rifle preferably chambered in .308 win. I am looking for a gun that can shoot from 100 yard to about 800 yards. I was considering getting a Remington Varmint SPS, but as I did more research I found that the Savage 10 would also be a good choice. I would like some suggestions on what kind of rifle would suit me. My price range is up to $800. My budget is a bit short so I'm not going to be buying many mods for it. Just need an out of the box accurate gun. Thanks everyone! </div></div>
Howa?
I believe they now do a fluted factory barrelled version too.
The Ranchland comes in at $625. You the have $175 if you wish to consider a scope upgrade, sling, bag and ammo.
That should take you close to your $800 limit.
Whatever you choose, I wish you "Good Shooting".
Engin
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: supersniper16</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Okay people, what I need is a pretty accurate bolt action rifle preferably chambered in .308 win. I am looking for a gun that can shoot from 100 yard to about 800 yards. I was considering getting a Remington Varmint SPS, but as I did more research I found that the Savage 10 would also be a good choice. I would like some suggestions on what kind of rifle would suit me. My price range is up to $800. My budget is a bit short so I'm not going to be buying many mods for it. Just need an out of the box accurate gun. Thanks everyone! </div></div>
Howa?
I believe they now do a fluted factory barrelled version too.
The Ranchland comes in at $625. You the have $175 if you wish to consider a scope upgrade, sling, bag and ammo.
That should take you close to your $800 limit.
Whatever you choose, I wish you "Good Shooting".
Engin
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pistolpete75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are never intending to upgrade your rifle, get the savage for the best bang for the dollar. If you think you are going to upgrade the rifle down the future and you really want to get into long range shooting, get the 700. I would get the 700. </div></div>
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pistolpete75</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you are never intending to upgrade your rifle, get the savage for the best bang for the dollar. If you think you are going to upgrade the rifle down the future and you really want to get into long range shooting, get the 700. I would get the 700. </div></div>
+1
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What is affordable?
For 550-600 bucks, you can get the SPS tactical, but be prepared to shell out another 220 for a better stock.
Same with the base Savage FP-10.
A Savage 10PC is an attractive option, they usually shoot better than the Remingtons, have a DBM and the new accu-stock is a pretty darn good stock.
Howa makes a good rifle.
If you like the idea of doing your own work, the Savage is the way to go, if you want to pay a gunsmith to change a barrel, then Remington is the way to go.
Most time, the Savage is a better shooter out of the box, unless you start looking at the 700P, 5R and upper end Remingtons.
I own both, of course the Remington fans will say "but once you have the action and bolt face trued and the lugs lapped, they will outshoot a out of the box savage"
That's nice, on top of the 600 bucks for the rifle, I need to spend another 3 or 400, assuming I use the factory barrel, to get it to outshoot a Savage. Of course then I can send my Savage to Fred for some TLC and 150 dollars later, it will hang with or outshoot that Remington again. Oh yeah, Savage triggers are far easier to adjust and the FP serires goes down to about 1.5 lbs.
Remingtons are fine rifles, one of the BIG pluses in their favor is the plethora of aftermarket stocks for them, in different configurations.
Chances are really good that if you buy an SPS varmint or tactical, put it in a decent stock add decent glass, you will be thrilled and have a rifle that exceeds your capabilities.
Chances are really good that if you buy an FP10, put it in a decent stock add decent glass, you will be thrilled and have a rifle that exceeds your capabilities.
BOTH are fine choices.
What is affordable?
For 550-600 bucks, you can get the SPS tactical, but be prepared to shell out another 220 for a better stock.
Same with the base Savage FP-10.
A Savage 10PC is an attractive option, they usually shoot better than the Remingtons, have a DBM and the new accu-stock is a pretty darn good stock.
Howa makes a good rifle.
If you like the idea of doing your own work, the Savage is the way to go, if you want to pay a gunsmith to change a barrel, then Remington is the way to go.
Most time, the Savage is a better shooter out of the box, unless you start looking at the 700P, 5R and upper end Remingtons.
I own both, of course the Remington fans will say "but once you have the action and bolt face trued and the lugs lapped, they will outshoot a out of the box savage"
That's nice, on top of the 600 bucks for the rifle, I need to spend another 3 or 400, assuming I use the factory barrel, to get it to outshoot a Savage. Of course then I can send my Savage to Fred for some TLC and 150 dollars later, it will hang with or outshoot that Remington again. Oh yeah, Savage triggers are far easier to adjust and the FP serires goes down to about 1.5 lbs.
Remingtons are fine rifles, one of the BIG pluses in their favor is the plethora of aftermarket stocks for them, in different configurations.
Chances are really good that if you buy an SPS varmint or tactical, put it in a decent stock add decent glass, you will be thrilled and have a rifle that exceeds your capabilities.
Chances are really good that if you buy an FP10, put it in a decent stock add decent glass, you will be thrilled and have a rifle that exceeds your capabilities.
BOTH are fine choices.
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If you aren't planning on doing mods and flushing your $ down the drain on design features that are already integral to the savage...well, my $ is on savage.
Lets look at the 700 for a second:
Pros: tons of aftermarket parts and most gunsmiths are familiar with it...that's about it.
Cons: quality has slipped since Remington was bought out; something as simple as a barrel upgrade will run you what...500-600 dollars on the entry level custom barrels when you figure in chambering, fitting, etc; their rifles in your budget lack many of the design features of a savage.
Savage: Pros: Design features meant to save costs actually improve accuracy out of the box ( barrel nut allows self-tuned headspace and barrel swapping, floating bolt head aligns the lugs, accutrigger is easily self adjusted and doing so won't void the warranty as it is meant to be done by the user, newer accu-stocked models feature a superior bedding system with no real need for aftermarket bedding. Comparable price point for entry level that continues to save you money when you don't have to mod it down the line
Cons: bad reputation from their earlier flimsy stocks ( no longer an issue on most models), "ugly" whatever that means. I shoot my rifles, not fuck them... so I could care less how "ugly" they are.
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Now, all these dudes are suggesting things like CDI DBM, aftermarket barrels, etc. There are *other* cheaper options. Sharp Shooter Supply now has a DBM system out that is virtually half the cost of CDI's system ( which is a phenomenal system too!), there are many aftermarket parts and stocks available now for them including Mcree stocks if you want to go that route, or McMillan if you wish to go that route, B&C stocks, etc.
I have owned both Remingtons and Savages. While the Remington was absolutely fine...It was a royal friggin headache waiting on a smith to do anything with it when it was my only rifle. While I never switched barrels on my savages ( didn't need to- they out shot me and most anyone else who tried them) I knew that if I wanted to switch to a .243 it would cost me roughly 300 bucks with shipping for an aftermarket barrel pre-fit to just throw on. Another 40 for go/no-go gauges, and another...50 for the proper tool to get the barrel off. Guess what- It's still below having a smith do it and after that- you are only in the hole for another barrel and go/no-go gauges if you wish to switch again to a different caliber that uses the same bolt face.
Here's where it gets really interesting: Say you wish to go varmint hunting while waiting for opening day of rifle season on big game. You can throw on a .223 or .204 barrel and switch out the bolt head. Day before you need to switch back- you switch back, replace the .473 boltface head, re-zero and you're now ready and legal for the caliber restrictions on big game without compromising the explosive power of the varmint calibers.
Can you do that with a Remington 700? No.
I encourage you to think far in the future. How much time are you willing to part with your rifle when it's at some gun smith getting dolled up? How much are you willing to spend to be bound to a single caliber?
I realize many gun smiths hate Savage because it cuts a lot of business out for them. I realize many gun smiths don't care because there will always be a market and buyer for multi-thousand dollar full customs. I realize that many people jump and scream at the very idea of a better mousetrap because they are so invested in the amount of cheese they have put in their trap and they want to verify their expenditures by having you go through the same thing.
I purchased a factory grade Savage LRPV from a member on here in 2007. The thing shot lights out, I sold it to a former member here, and he was able to push it's abilities even further with his superior shooting skill and reloading capabilities. I bought that thing for 850 dollars, sold it to him for like... 700. I can guarantee it probably outperforms most of his other rifles in the same caliber for a fraction of the price.
Before someone says " oh, but thats a target action with a target barrel", I'd like to point out that I have seen similar accuracy from their other rifles that are often scoffed at. That's not to say that one should completely forget the customs and other brands but if you are on a budget... I see no reason to convince yourself through others' insistence that you need to go the same route and clean out your bank account to simply have a rifle that is up to an accuracy standard that many can't reach on a consistent basis anyway.
Dudes flip out over the simplest gear queer bullshit but fail to remember that history reminds us that seemingly outdated battle rifles have put down men at greater distances that most effectively engage with much higher tech gear. That's not to say that we should cast aside advancement, but rather- focus on the mechanics of shooting- something I admittedly am still in the infancy stage of learning properly.
If you aren't planning on doing mods and flushing your $ down the drain on design features that are already integral to the savage...well, my $ is on savage.
Lets look at the 700 for a second:
Pros: tons of aftermarket parts and most gunsmiths are familiar with it...that's about it.
Cons: quality has slipped since Remington was bought out; something as simple as a barrel upgrade will run you what...500-600 dollars on the entry level custom barrels when you figure in chambering, fitting, etc; their rifles in your budget lack many of the design features of a savage.
Savage: Pros: Design features meant to save costs actually improve accuracy out of the box ( barrel nut allows self-tuned headspace and barrel swapping, floating bolt head aligns the lugs, accutrigger is easily self adjusted and doing so won't void the warranty as it is meant to be done by the user, newer accu-stocked models feature a superior bedding system with no real need for aftermarket bedding. Comparable price point for entry level that continues to save you money when you don't have to mod it down the line
Cons: bad reputation from their earlier flimsy stocks ( no longer an issue on most models), "ugly" whatever that means. I shoot my rifles, not fuck them... so I could care less how "ugly" they are.
--
Now, all these dudes are suggesting things like CDI DBM, aftermarket barrels, etc. There are *other* cheaper options. Sharp Shooter Supply now has a DBM system out that is virtually half the cost of CDI's system ( which is a phenomenal system too!), there are many aftermarket parts and stocks available now for them including Mcree stocks if you want to go that route, or McMillan if you wish to go that route, B&C stocks, etc.
I have owned both Remingtons and Savages. While the Remington was absolutely fine...It was a royal friggin headache waiting on a smith to do anything with it when it was my only rifle. While I never switched barrels on my savages ( didn't need to- they out shot me and most anyone else who tried them) I knew that if I wanted to switch to a .243 it would cost me roughly 300 bucks with shipping for an aftermarket barrel pre-fit to just throw on. Another 40 for go/no-go gauges, and another...50 for the proper tool to get the barrel off. Guess what- It's still below having a smith do it and after that- you are only in the hole for another barrel and go/no-go gauges if you wish to switch again to a different caliber that uses the same bolt face.
Here's where it gets really interesting: Say you wish to go varmint hunting while waiting for opening day of rifle season on big game. You can throw on a .223 or .204 barrel and switch out the bolt head. Day before you need to switch back- you switch back, replace the .473 boltface head, re-zero and you're now ready and legal for the caliber restrictions on big game without compromising the explosive power of the varmint calibers.
Can you do that with a Remington 700? No.
I encourage you to think far in the future. How much time are you willing to part with your rifle when it's at some gun smith getting dolled up? How much are you willing to spend to be bound to a single caliber?
I realize many gun smiths hate Savage because it cuts a lot of business out for them. I realize many gun smiths don't care because there will always be a market and buyer for multi-thousand dollar full customs. I realize that many people jump and scream at the very idea of a better mousetrap because they are so invested in the amount of cheese they have put in their trap and they want to verify their expenditures by having you go through the same thing.
I purchased a factory grade Savage LRPV from a member on here in 2007. The thing shot lights out, I sold it to a former member here, and he was able to push it's abilities even further with his superior shooting skill and reloading capabilities. I bought that thing for 850 dollars, sold it to him for like... 700. I can guarantee it probably outperforms most of his other rifles in the same caliber for a fraction of the price.
Before someone says " oh, but thats a target action with a target barrel", I'd like to point out that I have seen similar accuracy from their other rifles that are often scoffed at. That's not to say that one should completely forget the customs and other brands but if you are on a budget... I see no reason to convince yourself through others' insistence that you need to go the same route and clean out your bank account to simply have a rifle that is up to an accuracy standard that many can't reach on a consistent basis anyway.
Dudes flip out over the simplest gear queer bullshit but fail to remember that history reminds us that seemingly outdated battle rifles have put down men at greater distances that most effectively engage with much higher tech gear. That's not to say that we should cast aside advancement, but rather- focus on the mechanics of shooting- something I admittedly am still in the infancy stage of learning properly.
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My Savage 10FCP came in a Choate stock. They also come in an FS stock as well as Savage's accustock.
Mine has a detachable magazine, an oversize bolt knob, a rail under the forearm.
It is very accurate. The barrel is easy to change out yourself and the trigger is excellent.
Look at the price os a Remington, then add the price of a stock, DBM and bolt knob.
My rifle cost $699.00 at Cabelas back in May.
Jim
My Savage 10FCP came in a Choate stock. They also come in an FS stock as well as Savage's accustock.
Mine has a detachable magazine, an oversize bolt knob, a rail under the forearm.
It is very accurate. The barrel is easy to change out yourself and the trigger is excellent.
Look at the price os a Remington, then add the price of a stock, DBM and bolt knob.
My rifle cost $699.00 at Cabelas back in May.
Jim
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you aren't planning on doing mods and flushing your $ down the drain on design features that are already integral to the savage...well, my $ is on savage.
Lets look at the 700 for a second:
Pros: tons of aftermarket parts and most gunsmiths are familiar with it...that's about it.
Cons: quality has slipped since Remington was bought out; something as simple as a barrel upgrade will run you what...500-600 dollars on the entry level custom barrels when you figure in chambering, fitting, etc; their rifles in your budget lack many of the design features of a savage.
Savage: Pros: Design features meant to save costs actually improve accuracy out of the box ( barrel nut allows self-tuned headspace and barrel swapping, floating bolt head aligns the lugs, accutrigger is easily self adjusted and doing so won't void the warranty as it is meant to be done by the user, newer accu-stocked models feature a superior bedding system with no real need for aftermarket bedding. Comparable price point for entry level that continues to save you money when you don't have to mod it down the line
Cons: bad reputation from their earlier flimsy stocks ( no longer an issue on most models), "ugly" whatever that means. I shoot my rifles, not fuck them... so I could care less how "ugly" they are.
--
Now, all these dudes are suggesting things like CDI DBM, aftermarket barrels, etc. There are *other* cheaper options. Sharp Shooter Supply now has a DBM system out that is virtually half the cost of CDI's system ( which is a phenomenal system too!), there are many aftermarket parts and stocks available now for them including Mcree stocks if you want to go that route, or McMillan if you wish to go that route, B&C stocks, etc.
I have owned both Remingtons and Savages. While the Remington was absolutely fine...It was a royal friggin headache waiting on a smith to do anything with it when it was my only rifle. While I never switched barrels on my savages ( didn't need to- they out shot me and most anyone else who tried them) I knew that if I wanted to switch to a .243 it would cost me roughly 300 bucks with shipping for an aftermarket barrel pre-fit to just throw on. Another 40 for go/no-go gauges, and another...50 for the proper tool to get the barrel off. Guess what- It's still below having a smith do it and after that- you are only in the hole for another barrel and go/no-go gauges if you wish to switch again to a different caliber that uses the same bolt face.
Here's where it gets really interesting: Say you wish to go varmint hunting while waiting for opening day of rifle season on big game. You can throw on a .223 or .204 barrel and switch out the bolt head. Day before you need to switch back- you switch back, replace the .473 boltface head, re-zero and you're now ready and legal for the caliber restrictions on big game without compromising the explosive power of the varmint calibers.
Can you do that with a Remington 700? No.
I encourage you to think far in the future. How much time are you willing to part with your rifle when it's at some gun smith getting dolled up? How much are you willing to spend to be bound to a single caliber?
I realize many gun smiths hate Savage because it cuts a lot of business out for them. I realize many gun smiths don't care because there will always be a market and buyer for multi-thousand dollar full customs. I realize that many people jump and scream at the very idea of a better mousetrap because they are so invested in the amount of cheese they have put in their trap and they want to verify their expenditures by having you go through the same thing.
I purchased a factory grade Savage LRPV from a member on here in 2007. The thing shot lights out, I sold it to a former member here, and he was able to push it's abilities even further with his superior shooting skill and reloading capabilities. I bought that thing for 850 dollars, sold it to him for like... 700. I can guarantee it probably outperforms most of his other rifles in the same caliber for a fraction of the price.
Before someone says " oh, but thats a target action with a target barrel", I'd like to point out that I have seen similar accuracy from their other rifles that are often scoffed at. That's not to say that one should completely forget the customs and other brands but if you are on a budget... I see no reason to convince yourself through others' insistence that you need to go the same route and clean out your bank account to simply have a rifle that is up to an accuracy standard that many can't reach on a consistent basis anyway.
Dudes flip out over the simplest gear queer bullshit but fail to remember that history reminds us that seemingly outdated battle rifles have put down men at greater distances that most effectively engage with much higher tech gear. That's not to say that we should cast aside advancement, but rather- focus on the mechanics of shooting- something I admittedly am still in the infancy stage of learning properly. </div></div>
That is hands down the best summation I have ever read of the advantages of the Savage rifles.
eta: I'm not a Remmy hater but the Savages give the end user way more flexibility and the factory team won the 2010 600 and 1,000 yard events at the F T/R National Championship with FACTORY STOCK RIFLES.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CavScout1983</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you aren't planning on doing mods and flushing your $ down the drain on design features that are already integral to the savage...well, my $ is on savage.
Lets look at the 700 for a second:
Pros: tons of aftermarket parts and most gunsmiths are familiar with it...that's about it.
Cons: quality has slipped since Remington was bought out; something as simple as a barrel upgrade will run you what...500-600 dollars on the entry level custom barrels when you figure in chambering, fitting, etc; their rifles in your budget lack many of the design features of a savage.
Savage: Pros: Design features meant to save costs actually improve accuracy out of the box ( barrel nut allows self-tuned headspace and barrel swapping, floating bolt head aligns the lugs, accutrigger is easily self adjusted and doing so won't void the warranty as it is meant to be done by the user, newer accu-stocked models feature a superior bedding system with no real need for aftermarket bedding. Comparable price point for entry level that continues to save you money when you don't have to mod it down the line
Cons: bad reputation from their earlier flimsy stocks ( no longer an issue on most models), "ugly" whatever that means. I shoot my rifles, not fuck them... so I could care less how "ugly" they are.
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Now, all these dudes are suggesting things like CDI DBM, aftermarket barrels, etc. There are *other* cheaper options. Sharp Shooter Supply now has a DBM system out that is virtually half the cost of CDI's system ( which is a phenomenal system too!), there are many aftermarket parts and stocks available now for them including Mcree stocks if you want to go that route, or McMillan if you wish to go that route, B&C stocks, etc.
I have owned both Remingtons and Savages. While the Remington was absolutely fine...It was a royal friggin headache waiting on a smith to do anything with it when it was my only rifle. While I never switched barrels on my savages ( didn't need to- they out shot me and most anyone else who tried them) I knew that if I wanted to switch to a .243 it would cost me roughly 300 bucks with shipping for an aftermarket barrel pre-fit to just throw on. Another 40 for go/no-go gauges, and another...50 for the proper tool to get the barrel off. Guess what- It's still below having a smith do it and after that- you are only in the hole for another barrel and go/no-go gauges if you wish to switch again to a different caliber that uses the same bolt face.
Here's where it gets really interesting: Say you wish to go varmint hunting while waiting for opening day of rifle season on big game. You can throw on a .223 or .204 barrel and switch out the bolt head. Day before you need to switch back- you switch back, replace the .473 boltface head, re-zero and you're now ready and legal for the caliber restrictions on big game without compromising the explosive power of the varmint calibers.
Can you do that with a Remington 700? No.
I encourage you to think far in the future. How much time are you willing to part with your rifle when it's at some gun smith getting dolled up? How much are you willing to spend to be bound to a single caliber?
I realize many gun smiths hate Savage because it cuts a lot of business out for them. I realize many gun smiths don't care because there will always be a market and buyer for multi-thousand dollar full customs. I realize that many people jump and scream at the very idea of a better mousetrap because they are so invested in the amount of cheese they have put in their trap and they want to verify their expenditures by having you go through the same thing.
I purchased a factory grade Savage LRPV from a member on here in 2007. The thing shot lights out, I sold it to a former member here, and he was able to push it's abilities even further with his superior shooting skill and reloading capabilities. I bought that thing for 850 dollars, sold it to him for like... 700. I can guarantee it probably outperforms most of his other rifles in the same caliber for a fraction of the price.
Before someone says " oh, but thats a target action with a target barrel", I'd like to point out that I have seen similar accuracy from their other rifles that are often scoffed at. That's not to say that one should completely forget the customs and other brands but if you are on a budget... I see no reason to convince yourself through others' insistence that you need to go the same route and clean out your bank account to simply have a rifle that is up to an accuracy standard that many can't reach on a consistent basis anyway.
Dudes flip out over the simplest gear queer bullshit but fail to remember that history reminds us that seemingly outdated battle rifles have put down men at greater distances that most effectively engage with much higher tech gear. That's not to say that we should cast aside advancement, but rather- focus on the mechanics of shooting- something I admittedly am still in the infancy stage of learning properly. </div></div>
That is hands down the best summation I have ever read of the advantages of the Savage rifles.
eta: I'm not a Remmy hater but the Savages give the end user way more flexibility and the factory team won the 2010 600 and 1,000 yard events at the F T/R National Championship with FACTORY STOCK RIFLES.
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savage. view my posts for more info. ive done almost all my own smithing except having the action timed and trued, and that was totally optional as i had it pretty smooth before i sent it off
oh, and what cavscout said x10
but, you already have a 700 action... so sell that for $400-$500 and buy a savage
savage. view my posts for more info. ive done almost all my own smithing except having the action timed and trued, and that was totally optional as i had it pretty smooth before i sent it off
oh, and what cavscout said x10
but, you already have a 700 action... so sell that for $400-$500 and buy a savage
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like i said, i did my own barrel swap. i did a post on how i did it, it was easy. when this question gets asked, its always the same stuff. ford -vs- chevy stuff. feel free to ask if you need help and seriously, there is a sweet savage in the for sale section. check it out
like i said, i did my own barrel swap. i did a post on how i did it, it was easy. when this question gets asked, its always the same stuff. ford -vs- chevy stuff. feel free to ask if you need help and seriously, there is a sweet savage in the for sale section. check it out
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There are a few good deals in the FS section actually.
fmsniper has a .308 BVSS for sale for 650 plus shipping. Might not be competitive with some localities in terms of price but the upgrades make up for it. I'm currently trying to convince myself not to buy it.
There are a few good deals in the FS section actually.
fmsniper has a .308 BVSS for sale for 650 plus shipping. Might not be competitive with some localities in terms of price but the upgrades make up for it. I'm currently trying to convince myself not to buy it.
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http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...638#Post1846638
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...638#Post1846638
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Well said. I choose Savage for a few reasons.
1. I have a remington 1100 20ga and its a complete total piece of shit! My mossberg 500 is 500xs the shotgun it is. Not a fair judgment I am sure and some people on here will remind me of that, but it crossed my mind none the less.
2. Savage rifles are easy to work on yourself and aftermarket parts are easily accessible!
3. I am sure there are plenty of remingtons on here that are excellent rifles. I have seen plenty I have seen on here that I would love to have. Fact of the matter is I didn't have 2 to 3 grand to spend on a rifle. When I am done with mine it will have about 1500 to 1700 in it and will far outshoot my capabilities.
Got to love when a innocent thread goes remington vs savage. Lol
Well said. I choose Savage for a few reasons.
1. I have a remington 1100 20ga and its a complete total piece of shit! My mossberg 500 is 500xs the shotgun it is. Not a fair judgment I am sure and some people on here will remind me of that, but it crossed my mind none the less.
2. Savage rifles are easy to work on yourself and aftermarket parts are easily accessible!
3. I am sure there are plenty of remingtons on here that are excellent rifles. I have seen plenty I have seen on here that I would love to have. Fact of the matter is I didn't have 2 to 3 grand to spend on a rifle. When I am done with mine it will have about 1500 to 1700 in it and will far outshoot my capabilities.
Got to love when a innocent thread goes remington vs savage. Lol
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Aside from Remington Custom shop's offerings. I see no real comparison. Granted I would not hesitate to accept a 5R if given a good deal but fact of the matter is Savage is the company leading innovation at a National level for factory offerings.
Accu-trigger forced Remington to reevaluate their approach and the end result was the piece of shit X-mark Pro.
Can't wait to see what sort of half-assed reverse engineering they come up with to answer the challenge of the accu-stock.
Their triangle barrel endeavors were simply a joke, their integral brake on said triangle barrel was laughable in it's permanence. With a Savage break- it is fully removable and is actually effective when used.
The only downside to Savage's rise to the top of innovation is that they have bit themselves and their customer base in the ass with changing the profile of the action and spacing which has essentially killed the market for older model modification.
That being said, the few businesses that still accommodate the older styles do so in a manner that puts older Savages on par with the new factory offerings.
The downside of a better mousetrap is we cant resist the temptation and our wallets pay.
Aside from Remington Custom shop's offerings. I see no real comparison. Granted I would not hesitate to accept a 5R if given a good deal but fact of the matter is Savage is the company leading innovation at a National level for factory offerings.
Accu-trigger forced Remington to reevaluate their approach and the end result was the piece of shit X-mark Pro.
Can't wait to see what sort of half-assed reverse engineering they come up with to answer the challenge of the accu-stock.
Their triangle barrel endeavors were simply a joke, their integral brake on said triangle barrel was laughable in it's permanence. With a Savage break- it is fully removable and is actually effective when used.
The only downside to Savage's rise to the top of innovation is that they have bit themselves and their customer base in the ass with changing the profile of the action and spacing which has essentially killed the market for older model modification.
That being said, the few businesses that still accommodate the older styles do so in a manner that puts older Savages on par with the new factory offerings.
The downside of a better mousetrap is we cant resist the temptation and our wallets pay.
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For that price range, I would buy a Savage and be done with it. I have one that shoots Federal Match into 0.33 MOA, so far, out to 600 yards. I think the only way to have reasonable assurance of similar accuracy with a factory rifle is to buy an HS Precision, which is a lot more than $800.00.
For that price range, I would buy a Savage and be done with it. I have one that shoots Federal Match into 0.33 MOA, so far, out to 600 yards. I think the only way to have reasonable assurance of similar accuracy with a factory rifle is to buy an HS Precision, which is a lot more than $800.00.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. I have a remington 1100 20ga and its a complete total piece of shit! </div></div>
You just have to love the comparison of a Remington 1100 20 ga to a Savage 10FP.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Got to love when a innocent thread goes remington vs savage. Lol </div></div>
Like I said earlier, I have both and it's a toss up pick one and you'll be happy.I often shoot them side by side, wow what an idea. You are fooling yourself if you pick one over the other. Neither are ideal for everyone but they are what they are, a stepping stone.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1. I have a remington 1100 20ga and its a complete total piece of shit! </div></div>
You just have to love the comparison of a Remington 1100 20 ga to a Savage 10FP.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Got to love when a innocent thread goes remington vs savage. Lol </div></div>
Like I said earlier, I have both and it's a toss up pick one and you'll be happy.I often shoot them side by side, wow what an idea. You are fooling yourself if you pick one over the other. Neither are ideal for everyone but they are what they are, a stepping stone.
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You guys are talking about customizing rifles to a guy who is just getting started?? Why??
Take your $800 and go shopping for the best used rifle you can find for $800. I just saw a nice Kimber LongMaster Classic for $850. You are also likely to find a lot of better grade rifles for sale at that price in the used racks.
Everybody is always arguing Remington vs. Savage. It would make you think nothing else is made. Heck you may even prefer a single shot rifle.
Get out there and handle a bunch of rifles. And look closely at all the used gun racks. You may run across a real gem for the price you want. $800 can buy a good decent used rifle if you shop. Tom.
You guys are talking about customizing rifles to a guy who is just getting started?? Why??
Take your $800 and go shopping for the best used rifle you can find for $800. I just saw a nice Kimber LongMaster Classic for $850. You are also likely to find a lot of better grade rifles for sale at that price in the used racks.
Everybody is always arguing Remington vs. Savage. It would make you think nothing else is made. Heck you may even prefer a single shot rifle.
Get out there and handle a bunch of rifles. And look closely at all the used gun racks. You may run across a real gem for the price you want. $800 can buy a good decent used rifle if you shop. Tom.
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I've had and sold 2 savages, and just got a new 700 varmint ADL package from Dic_'s for $450. scope is junk, but the base/rings should be fine. trigger is pre-set about 3-4, which is just fine for me. I like the 700's safety much better, and the 700 is so easy to upgrade later...
I've had and sold 2 savages, and just got a new 700 varmint ADL package from Dic_'s for $450. scope is junk, but the base/rings should be fine. trigger is pre-set about 3-4, which is just fine for me. I like the 700's safety much better, and the 700 is so easy to upgrade later...
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but what can you can do to a 700 that you cant do with a savage is there? besides paying a smith to swap barrels?
but what can you can do to a 700 that you cant do with a savage is there? besides paying a smith to swap barrels?
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The one thing that has kept me from getting a Savage before now is cycling the bolt. I can operate the action on both my Winchester Model 70 and my Remington 700 while shooting prone without hardly moving the cross hairs off of the target. I could not do that with the two Savages I have shot. I will eventualy get a Savage but I wish they would do something to smooth up the bolt.
The one thing that has kept me from getting a Savage before now is cycling the bolt. I can operate the action on both my Winchester Model 70 and my Remington 700 while shooting prone without hardly moving the cross hairs off of the target. I could not do that with the two Savages I have shot. I will eventualy get a Savage but I wish they would do something to smooth up the bolt.
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My brothers SPS Tactical shot 0.5" groups out of the box. I'd go SPS for $550-$600.
My brothers SPS Tactical shot 0.5" groups out of the box. I'd go SPS for $550-$600.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one thing that has kept me from getting a Savage before now is cycling the bolt. I can operate the action on both my Winchester Model 70 and my Remington 700 while shooting prone without hardly moving the cross hairs off of the target. I could not do that with the two Savages I have shot. I will eventualy get a Savage but I wish they would do something to smooth up the bolt. </div></div>
I wish they would too but until then you can do it yourself, scroll down to tips and tricks. http://www.steyrscout.org/savscout.htm
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one thing that has kept me from getting a Savage before now is cycling the bolt. I can operate the action on both my Winchester Model 70 and my Remington 700 while shooting prone without hardly moving the cross hairs off of the target. I could not do that with the two Savages I have shot. I will eventualy get a Savage but I wish they would do something to smooth up the bolt. </div></div>
I wish they would too but until then you can do it yourself, scroll down to tips and tricks. http://www.steyrscout.org/savscout.htm
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Savage 10 is the best value, and then save for good optics.
Savage 10 is the best value, and then save for good optics.
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I vote savage 10 or rem sps as well. that is of course unless you dont get a good deal on something pre owned lol.
I vote savage 10 or rem sps as well. that is of course unless you dont get a good deal on something pre owned lol.
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R700 SPS Tactical. Stocks are easier to find when you are ready to upgrade.
R700 SPS Tactical. Stocks are easier to find when you are ready to upgrade.
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Buy the Savage and sleep well that it will be a good shooter right out of the box. The other thing is there is any issue, you can expect very good service from Savage Arms CS. Last I heard Remington CS considers 3 MOA as a good shooter and not something that they consider to be defective. I hope that this attitude has changed, but with their ownership's (Cerebus) total focus on profit margins above all else, I rather doubt it.
Remington 5R and Sendero rifles are quite good shooters, but they are not inexpensive vs a Savage. Bottom line is that most of us are shooters first and not operators. If you have the money to fund a true custom build, then go with Remington if the bolt cycling is that important to you. A Savage action that has been timed and trued by Fred Moreno of Sharp Shooters Supply cycles very nicely vs anything short of a fully blown custom action.
I can not for the life of me see what even a full custom Remington can do that a Savage with a great barrel can not do as well when it comes down to shooting bullets into very small holes. And for one hell of a lot less money. YMMV.
Buy the Savage and sleep well that it will be a good shooter right out of the box. The other thing is there is any issue, you can expect very good service from Savage Arms CS. Last I heard Remington CS considers 3 MOA as a good shooter and not something that they consider to be defective. I hope that this attitude has changed, but with their ownership's (Cerebus) total focus on profit margins above all else, I rather doubt it.
Remington 5R and Sendero rifles are quite good shooters, but they are not inexpensive vs a Savage. Bottom line is that most of us are shooters first and not operators. If you have the money to fund a true custom build, then go with Remington if the bolt cycling is that important to you. A Savage action that has been timed and trued by Fred Moreno of Sharp Shooters Supply cycles very nicely vs anything short of a fully blown custom action.
I can not for the life of me see what even a full custom Remington can do that a Savage with a great barrel can not do as well when it comes down to shooting bullets into very small holes. And for one hell of a lot less money. YMMV.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one thing that has kept me from getting a Savage before now is cycling the bolt. I can operate the action on both my Winchester Model 70 and my Remington 700 while shooting prone without hardly moving the cross hairs off of the target. I could not do that with the two Savages I have shot. I will eventualy get a Savage but I wish they would do something to smooth up the bolt.</div></div>
Kevin Rayhill at stockade stocks sells a lift kit for something like $7.50. It took me less than ten minutes to install. Reduces bolt lift by about 40% IMO. It's worth it I think.
www.stockadegunstocks.com
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BobC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The one thing that has kept me from getting a Savage before now is cycling the bolt. I can operate the action on both my Winchester Model 70 and my Remington 700 while shooting prone without hardly moving the cross hairs off of the target. I could not do that with the two Savages I have shot. I will eventualy get a Savage but I wish they would do something to smooth up the bolt.</div></div>
Kevin Rayhill at stockade stocks sells a lift kit for something like $7.50. It took me less than ten minutes to install. Reduces bolt lift by about 40% IMO. It's worth it I think.
www.stockadegunstocks.com
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Sandwarrior, what model Savage is that kit for?
I have a model 10FCP. It has a large bolt knob and is apparently a different design than the "older" model 10s. It has a DBM- if that makes any difference. I don't know what all of the differences are in these models.
Jim
Sandwarrior, what model Savage is that kit for?
I have a model 10FCP. It has a large bolt knob and is apparently a different design than the "older" model 10s. It has a DBM- if that makes any difference. I don't know what all of the differences are in these models.
Jim
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ok, look here for some info on a bolt lift kit, i made one, you can too. costs are one spent .38 case and one 5/32" ball bearing and some time
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1666719&page=1
there is some info on options for the newer savages with the cocking indicator. there is a thrust bearing from a remote control cars differential that should do the job
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">R700 SPS Tactical. Stocks are easier to find when you are ready to upgrade. </div></div>
you can get just about any stock for a savage that you can for a 700. later this year you can even get an AICS for them. McMillan makes everything for a savage that they make for a 700. im not a 700 hater, this isnt a pissing contest, but these same claims keep popping up and they simply arent true.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wish they would too but until then you can do it yourself, scroll down to tips and tricks. http://www.steyrscout.org/savscout.htm </div></div>
doing this and adding a bolt lift made my stuff super smooth. i emailed the guy and he said use 600 wet/dry to polish the spots that he points out. a great improvement, little cost
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McKinneyMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A Savage action that has been timed and trued by Fred Moreno of Sharp Shooters Supply cycles very nicely vs anything short of a fully blown custom action.</div></div>
i just got mine back. hard to say how it feels compared to a stock savage action. first, its been 37 days since i felt it, and B, i had added a lift kit and polished a few places. first thig i did was scrub my NEW action inside and out to get the grit out then lube it all up. then cycled it alot. then after i read the post about polishing stuff, i took it further and looked for spots that were starting to wear from cycling and polished those areas as well. on the bolt head, body and the baffle and where the baffle contacts the bolt body. both the body and the bolt. i can see the places that Fred did his work. the ramps for the locking lugs if thats what they are called were worked. the bolt face was trued as was the face of the receiver. i heard he does trigger timing or something like that. i will play with it and think it over and let you know what i think about the results of the T&T
ok, look here for some info on a bolt lift kit, i made one, you can too. costs are one spent .38 case and one 5/32" ball bearing and some time
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1666719&page=1
there is some info on options for the newer savages with the cocking indicator. there is a thrust bearing from a remote control cars differential that should do the job
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">R700 SPS Tactical. Stocks are easier to find when you are ready to upgrade. </div></div>
you can get just about any stock for a savage that you can for a 700. later this year you can even get an AICS for them. McMillan makes everything for a savage that they make for a 700. im not a 700 hater, this isnt a pissing contest, but these same claims keep popping up and they simply arent true.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Training Wheels</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wish they would too but until then you can do it yourself, scroll down to tips and tricks. http://www.steyrscout.org/savscout.htm </div></div>
doing this and adding a bolt lift made my stuff super smooth. i emailed the guy and he said use 600 wet/dry to polish the spots that he points out. a great improvement, little cost
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: McKinneyMike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A Savage action that has been timed and trued by Fred Moreno of Sharp Shooters Supply cycles very nicely vs anything short of a fully blown custom action.</div></div>
i just got mine back. hard to say how it feels compared to a stock savage action. first, its been 37 days since i felt it, and B, i had added a lift kit and polished a few places. first thig i did was scrub my NEW action inside and out to get the grit out then lube it all up. then cycled it alot. then after i read the post about polishing stuff, i took it further and looked for spots that were starting to wear from cycling and polished those areas as well. on the bolt head, body and the baffle and where the baffle contacts the bolt body. both the body and the bolt. i can see the places that Fred did his work. the ramps for the locking lugs if thats what they are called were worked. the bolt face was trued as was the face of the receiver. i heard he does trigger timing or something like that. i will play with it and think it over and let you know what i think about the results of the T&T
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Axeman, I'm not saying McMillan or others can't make you a stock for the Savage. But here on the boards, which stock is available more often....the R700 stocks. I would bet that you see 50 remington 700 stocks to every 1 savage stock.
Axeman, I'm not saying McMillan or others can't make you a stock for the Savage. But here on the boards, which stock is available more often....the R700 stocks. I would bet that you see 50 remington 700 stocks to every 1 savage stock.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Axeman, I'm not saying McMillan or others can't make you a stock for the Savage. But here on the boards, which stock is available more often....the R700 stocks. I would bet that you see 50 remington 700 stocks to every 1 savage stock.</div></div>
I would place that at about 20-1 now. five years ago it was a 200-1 ratio. That is until HS and McMillan both got contracts with Savage to provide stocks for them.
One of the biggest "kick myself in the ass" moments came when I saw a Savage 10FCP with the HS precision "tactical" stock on sale at Cabelas in Rogers, MN for $600. On my way home from one of our winter shoots. I had the money. I just thought, naw.... I shouldn't. Might not ending up wanting to sell something to keep it. Stupid me. They are selling (selling, not just sitting there with that price tag) at close to a grand.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Axeman, I'm not saying McMillan or others can't make you a stock for the Savage. But here on the boards, which stock is available more often....the R700 stocks. I would bet that you see 50 remington 700 stocks to every 1 savage stock.</div></div>
I would place that at about 20-1 now. five years ago it was a 200-1 ratio. That is until HS and McMillan both got contracts with Savage to provide stocks for them.
One of the biggest "kick myself in the ass" moments came when I saw a Savage 10FCP with the HS precision "tactical" stock on sale at Cabelas in Rogers, MN for $600. On my way home from one of our winter shoots. I had the money. I just thought, naw.... I shouldn't. Might not ending up wanting to sell something to keep it. Stupid me. They are selling (selling, not just sitting there with that price tag) at close to a grand.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Axeman, I'm not saying McMillan or others can't make you a stock for the Savage. But here on the boards, which stock is available more often....the R700 stocks. I would bet that you see 50 remington 700 stocks to every 1 savage stock. </div></div>
ill totally agree about that. there are plenty of used 700 stocks, i have never seen a used or new A4 for a savage. and if your ok with plain McMs they will pop up, nice color molded ones not as often, but there is hardly anything used for a savage available compared to a 700. im tempted to buy a sps on special just to have when an A4 comes up. eventially i will either buy the McM A4 for my rifle or build another for that stock
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JCH</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Axeman, I'm not saying McMillan or others can't make you a stock for the Savage. But here on the boards, which stock is available more often....the R700 stocks. I would bet that you see 50 remington 700 stocks to every 1 savage stock. </div></div>
ill totally agree about that. there are plenty of used 700 stocks, i have never seen a used or new A4 for a savage. and if your ok with plain McMs they will pop up, nice color molded ones not as often, but there is hardly anything used for a savage available compared to a 700. im tempted to buy a sps on special just to have when an A4 comes up. eventially i will either buy the McM A4 for my rifle or build another for that stock
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Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine. G2G as is. Add mounts and optics and you're up and running.
The factory stock includes a 4rd DBM that's upgradeable to hold 9 rounds (Kit from Sharpshooter Supply), and the model includes Accue-Trigger and Accue-Stock. Unless your needs demand a 'tactikewl' look, everything that's on the rifle is capable of shooting better than most of the shooters on this site can manage.
I think the biggest difference between Savage and other brands is that while other brands can be made very nice with aftermarket parts; the odds are very good that Savage can provide a factory model that will suit most any shooters' needs without any modifications whatsoever.
Greg
Savage Model 10 Precision Carbine. G2G as is. Add mounts and optics and you're up and running.
The factory stock includes a 4rd DBM that's upgradeable to hold 9 rounds (Kit from Sharpshooter Supply), and the model includes Accue-Trigger and Accue-Stock. Unless your needs demand a 'tactikewl' look, everything that's on the rifle is capable of shooting better than most of the shooters on this site can manage.
I think the biggest difference between Savage and other brands is that while other brands can be made very nice with aftermarket parts; the odds are very good that Savage can provide a factory model that will suit most any shooters' needs without any modifications whatsoever.
Greg
