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need help finding a better digital powder scale

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The scale I have now, I think might not be accurate enough to produce consistent powder loads from one round to the next. Some suggestions on a more accurate scale would be appreciated somewhere between 50-$100.00 if possible. It needs to be digital as my eyes aren't very good any more. The scale I have now, reads 102.2 gr. when I set my powder tray/funnel combo on it. Next I hit the tare button to zero it. After I remove the tray several times instead of reading -102.2 gr. it reads as low as 101.7. Then, when I set the tray back on again sometimes the last digit will read .6 or .7 and not zero. I just hit tare again to re zero again. Here is the scale I'm using now. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=175512 Thanks for all suggestions!
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Re: need help finding a better digital powder scale

If it's being powdered by batteries, it will not give you the best consistancy. Plus, most electronic scales need to be on for 15-30 minutes prior to use to warm up. I would look into an Acculab 123 digital scale. They are very good and accurate to .02 grains (about a kernel of gun powder). I leave my electronic scales on all the time to not get the variation after start up.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ChadTRG42</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If it's being powdered by batteries, it will not give you the best consistancy. Plus, most electronic scales need to be on for 15-30 minutes prior to use to warm up. I would look into an Acculab 123 digital scale. They are very good and accurate to .02 grains (about a kernel of gun powder). I leave my electronic scales on all the time to not get the variation after start up. </div></div>

Yep! Vic 123 allows me to load to +/- 2 one hundredths of a grain and it NEVER gets turned off.

Alan
 
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+1 for leaving it on continually

I was having all kinds of inconsistency issues and trying to chase a ghost on my powder drop. Was about to throw it out the window.
Then I read online how it takes a bit to get stabilized... so I leave it on constantly and have had no more issues.
 
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I've got the same scale, and have had no issues.
When I ordered my reloading supplies from Graf's he suggested this model. I was little leery because of the price...but so far, so good.

I just don't understand how a $30 or $40 scale can be as accurate as a more expensive one. Accuracy really counts here, and I was prepared - and expected- to spend more...but was told I didn't need to. Like you, I figured more $$ = more accuracy. Dunno...

How new is the scale? Did you talk to Midway about replacing it, or returning for credit against another scale?

I'd also be interested in what others have to say about the less expensive scales vs. the "better" ones...
 
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I helped a "friend" set up his press the other night and we were going to make a few rounds to test the press using established recipes that I have.

When it came time to adjust the powder dump on the Dillon 650, the scale kept bouncing back and forth by as much as 2 tenths.

I had him close the garage door, shut off the fans and let things settle down a bit.

In a controlled environment, no breeze, AC or movement, the $50 scale kept occilating back and forth.

I went home and got my electronic $139 scale, and it worked perfectly.

I asked why he decided to buy this scale, he replied, well, I spent $1100 on the press and accessories, I thought I could skimp by on the scale.

I reminded him, that in order to make accurate loads, you need a solid base line. If the scale wont ever true out, then you will never acheive a solid base line for accuracy.

I once heard this statement many years ago, buy once, cry once... and don't look back.

I ended the evening asking him this..... do you want to grow with this sport, or just use it to kill some time, then sell everything later?

He is still thinking on that one.

JS
 
Re: need help finding a better digital powder scale

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wannashootit</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I just don't understand how a $30 or $40 scale can be as accurate as a more expensive one. Accuracy really counts here, and I was prepared - and expected- to spend more...but was told I didn't need to. Like you, I figured more $$ = more accuracy. Dunno...

I'd also be interested in what others have to say about the less expensive scales vs. the "better" ones... </div></div>

Be careful of making false corralations based on price. Accuracy and precision are 2 different things as we all know from being riflemen. The precision of these scales is typically varied on price (in steps, less than 200, 200-500 and 500 and over), and what you are paying for (hpefully) is accuracy. you can buy a really expensive lab scale that will not do what you want it to do, but do it extremely consistantly (buing one that has a high capacity but not a small resolution). Remeber that grains are not a typical measurement and that grams are, so the electronics will convert that measurement into grains. This will give you a slight (mostly insignificent) error right off the bat, the part that is the problem is that the standard resolution for these scales is 0.01 grams, which is 0.154323584 grains. No matter what the description says, it is at least + or - 0.154 grains because of this, which can give you a variance of .2 on the digital read out. This will not happen all the time, but due to math, it will happen once in a while because .154 will round to .2 every time.

What you want to look for is a scale that measures to 0.001 grams or 0.01543.... grains, and this is when the price goes up significently, though for the popular name brands of "cheaper" scales, you are not all that far way form taking the next step in precision. With this level of precision the accuracy isn't going to matter as much. After a while, you will probably be satisfied with a number on the readout close to what you are looking for because it would take all evening reloding 20 rounds picking out individual balls/sticks/flakes of poweder to get exactly what you want, and you are still on the order of 10 times more accurate than you were with a 30 dollar 0.01g scale.

Get a gem scale that reads in grains, for 30 dollars and compare it to the scale you have now. Use the gem scale for powder charges and the larger scale for weighing complete ammo for doubles or misses. The precision is what counts if you have resolution over what you have to have. You are just paying for accuracy, which is nice, BUT unnecessary if you have more than adequate resolution. If you are just squeeking by with the precision you have, then it better be accurate.
 
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Thanks, makes sense.
I'm not a precision reloader (yet, anyway) and for the time being, one-tenth of a grain is accurate "enough" for us, using a case activated powder drop. As we get more experience behind the triggers, I'm sure our current "quantity before quality" mindset will reverse...and we'll begin concentrating more on the precision of our handloads.