www.texarkanagazette.com 
It appears to me to be a whole new brand of things.
They don't, but eventually more availability will start to drive prices back to reasonable levels. If demand is always high and supply is always low, high prices and low availability will continue. That cycle breaks either by more availability, or a revolt on pricing (which probably won't happen).
That will be a tough row to hoe ... but at least provide options for beginners and bulk reloaders. I think experienced handloaders will have a "Wait and See" attitude on any new brand. We shall see ...
Just based on what I could find online they are trying to become a market disruptor (which is a good thing). What I wonder is where the money is coming from. Depending on that, they could easily achieve the goal.
Well No one invests $100 Million into a company if they don't expect to make money.
Yeah I get it, they're gonna make hay while the sun shines. But if this new addition to the market means I can buy 1k primers from Midway for $120 everyday instead of 1k/$120 every three days, as far as I'm concerned nothing has been gained.
And that means I won't buy 1k primers for $120 any day. Only the rich or people who love to get hosed buy at those prices.
Well that is what seems to be implied in this article: https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/concentrated-firepower-what-high
Not expensive? Did you just start reloading?
Agreed. I could afford to buy my normal quantity now that they're regularly available, I just refuse to because I shoot for fun and when my ammo cost doubles in a year while my income doesn't, it's not fun anymore.
www.expansion-ammunition.com (Disclaimer: I think retailers are the ones doing the exploiting right now, at least more than the manufacturers.)
Yes. I just started about 30 something years ago.
There is also the gun world carnival barkers as well. Something crazy happens and they will not hesitate to put a $120 price tag on the exact box that was marked $19.99 last week.
You’ll have to in the very near future because of hyperinflation is on the way. One day that will look like a great price when primers hit $200 per 1000
www.floridaconcealedcarry.com 
So primers went from 40 bucks a brick to 120 a brick that means 80.00 divided by 1000 is 8 cents a primer more than the good ole days. So you are saying that since your reloads went from 1.00 a round to 1.08 a round that's a no go? No more shooting?
I don't know about anyone else's loads but my 55gr 223 loads went from $175 ish per 1k to almost $300 with a moderate powder price increase and the huge primer cost increase. That's significant for me.
You don't have to own your own business to have a clue. There's a ton of professional business men who have a clue that don't own their own businesses. This isn't the first time prices have skyrocketed for commodities. While I agree that it may not land where it was, there's no real indicators that prices will permanently settle multiple factors above where they were.
Demand will continue to exceed supply, but not because we're still buying at panic levels.
This article is an interesting read on the subject:
What the Great Ammunition Shortage Says About Inflation
Concentration is increasing prices and keeping them high. The ammunition duopoly and the "Great Ammunition Shortage" is just one example.mattstoller.substack.com
It was posted earlier on the hide. It's written by someone completely outside the firearms industry, so with no ties to Vista or Olin.
TLDR: The industry is now consolidated enough that we're not likely to see ammo prices go back to normal without some sort of major shakeup.
With only two companies controlling nearly all domestic manufacturing, they can manipulate production to keep prices high (by restricting supply), and they've been open about that with investors. There's plenty of incentive for them to maintain the perception of a shortage to keep margins high, and basically none for them to go back to pre-pandemic levels of inventory surplus.
A few quotes from the CEO of Vista that paint the picture pretty well:
"Because of some of the consolidation we've done with Remington, even if you look long term, we don't see the same type of price compression the industry may have experienced in previous times."
"Now with ammunition being the largest part of our business. I mean, clearly, buying a Remington, we've created what we feel like is an even more disciplined industry now as we go forward. We've got, I think, like competitors in the sense that they watch growth, they watch their margin profiles. And we feel like we've got a disciplined industry."
And I've mentioned previously that we studied, as best we can…industry capacity and making sure that we're not only managing our capacity, but very mindful of what's being brought into the industry, so we don't get over our skis, if you will."
By getting over their skis, he's talking about ending up in a situation where production is too high and is negatively impacting their margins by causing prices to drop. Meaning enough of a surplus that ammo is sitting on the shelves. If you can charge 100% more for something, you only have to make half as much of it. And if that creates a perception of shortage, even better because it increases turnover.
We've spend 2 years teaching the industry that we are willing to pay as much as 200-300% more that we were a few years ago for ammo and reloading components. We shouldn't expect them to forget that.
At this point the doubled cost of primers is only half the problem. Ordering 1-2k at a time and paying shipping/hazmat for them combined with the price increase has effectively quadrupled the price. That may not be a big deal for people that shoot <5k a year, but those of us that shoot 25k+ are ready to find a new hobby.
really? how many business's have u owned? have u had to meet a bank note due on time, deal with quarterlies, meet payroll, deal with yearly rising insurance rates on business adjustments, higher and higher workmans comp payments, working with slimmer and slimmer profit margins because of big box stores and online buying , meanwhile trying to keep your doors open with less product availability. Like I said, i can tell from your response you've never owned your own business. raw material for production most likely will never come down, if there is ever an overabundance again, look for those mining it , to shut down production. They know what they stand to gain from shortages
This is what holds me back from mail order primers. If I could order the max for hazmat shipping I’d order the next time I could. It just adds too much on the price buying a thousand at a time.
i think this administration has opened the door to the 1%'rs to do whatever they want.
Really.
If is doing a lot of work in that sentence, and there is literally zero evidence of price fixing at the current time. If there were to be evidence of such, it would come in the coordinated decrease in production when demand was lower.
Article is 7 years old.Caveat emptor
Beware of Expansion Industries
In this thread: http://www.floridaconcealedcarry.com/Forum/showthread.php?52035-Cheap-5-56-ammo/page3&highlight=expansion some people, myself included, made known some issues they were having with Expansion Industries. Here I want to relate in detail my own personal experience with Expansion...
He posts six month old articles as breaking news. It's his shtick.
Vista wasn't going to buy Sportsmans. Great American Outdoors was.
Which they are.
Vista wasn't going to buy Sportsmans, Great Outdoors Group was going to.
You mean 7 years old.
