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Rifle Scopes New Leupold MK4 at AAC shoot...34mm!

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This is a prototype that was riding some rifles at the shoot. I was told by Remingtons rep that it was definitely going to production.

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Some of the specs, if I remember correctly.

-1/10 Mil clicks.
-Locking turrent. You have to press the center button to turn the elevation turrent.
- easily settable zero stop.
- 8.5-25x
- 34mm tube

I had information overload at the show and saw so many toys that I wanted, so forgive me for the lack of further info. I'm 99% sure it was FFP. I looked through a lot of glass shooting various Remington MSR rigs. Check the rifles section for pics of those.

Medic103 out.
 
#6
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It looks like a single turn design, unless there is something I'm not seeing, and 10 Mils isn't a lot of erector travel.

I could be wrong, but the rheostat placement leads me to believe it's SFP, not FFP.

Is that a cap on the windage knob? I like being able to cap the windage knob and forget about it.

It looks like there is a battery cap on the rheostat and on the paralax knob.

It's about time Leupold at least tried to make some advances.
 
#7
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It'll be interesting to see what they come out with. I've been wondering for a decade plus as to when they might hit the mainstream with more scopes with more than a 3x zoom, the LPS series aside.
Perhaps the bean counters are catching on to the fact that Nightforce is likely killing them in the tactical market, given such similar prices in that arena & the quality & options NF offers.

I do like my Leupys, just have a few pet peeves of late with some of their toys & decisions is all.
 
#8
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mumbles</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It looks like a single turn design, unless there is something I'm not seeing, and 10 Mils isn't a lot of erector travel.

I could be wrong, but the rheostat placement leads me to believe it's SFP, not FFP.

Is that a cap on the windage knob? I like being able to cap the windage knob and forget about it.

It looks like there is a battery cap on the rheostat and on the paralax knob.

It's about time Leupold at least tried to make some advances. </div></div>

Yeah, at least they're doing something to keep up. I have a call in to Leupolds LEO rep, so I'll get more info on it soon. Either way, I'm guessing that it's gonna be priced out of it's market. I'd still take a NF.
 
#10
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Mumbles, yeah, I'm with you. Especially when if a fella watches the for sale section on here, he can literally pick up a US Optics [used] for what a lot of the new MK 4's cost.
No comparison in my book, dollar per dollar.
 
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Looks very nice , hope its FFP , and that the E turret has more than one turn , or you would be limited too , 10.0 Mils.

Its about time , I also really like the idea of setting the Windage , and capping IT , its a good option , that is not available on most scopes .

I guess , we will need to wait and see , BUT I presume they will price IT out of the market .


Later Chris
 
#17
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the elevation knob is ENORMOUS.
im glad to see they're picking up on some of the pointers finally
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keen to see how it runs
 
#18
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i am happy for Leupold ; its still an american company with US mil contracts and FED LE contracts , they employ US workers they say about 600 or so , and yeah they are coming up with some new (for Leupold) optics , kudos to them

maybe WE (civilian shooters ) are not the market for this optic ?

maybe its the PSR contract, the USMC day optic , etc., ?

still don't understand kicking Leupold in the nuts , talk that goes on here but oh well . . . if its priced in the $2000-$2400 range it will be about right

a NXS 3.5-15x50 ZERO STOP w/ illum and FFP is $2290 retail

and the big issue is most shooters want more power/magnification


as i hear it , NightForce is coming out with some new stuff soon too ,

and IMHO its all good , we living in the best of times for long range shooting ; awesome scopes, awesome guns, choice abound

pretty freaking cool
 
#19
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I like it, especially if it's FFP, but I too think it will probably come out priced out of it's league.

They'll get the sales to the Loopy loyal though.
 
#20
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It will be priced like all there products, full of Chinese parts, assembled in America, 300% profit with a great warrenty that you will need.
 
#21
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how many parts does a scope have ?

and what optic company is completely making their optics in the USA ?

and what optic company is not making a good profit ?

and what optic company has made scopes that have NOT failed , needing warranty service ?

pretty short list, like NOT A SINGLE ONE
 
#23
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my point being , if Leupold has quality control issues then hammer their ass on that , not the other things mentioned

cause they all are having scopes sent in for warranty work, using parts not made in the US , making a tidy profit, etc.,
 
#24
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: banshee sws</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how many parts does a scope have ?

and what optic company is completely making their optics in the USA ?

and what optic company is not making a good profit ?

and what optic company has made scopes that have NOT failed , needing warranty service ?

pretty short list, like NOT A SINGLE ONE </div></div>
+1!
 
#25
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Mumbles said:
It looks like a single turn design, unless there is something I'm not seeing, and 10 Mils isn't a lot of erector travel.

I could be wrong, but the rheostat placement leads me to believe it's SFP, not FFP.



Looks like a double turn and rheostat placement shouldn't eliminate it from being FFP as in the S&B's.
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#26
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<---- Steps back reflecting that the discussion of optics here are synonymous with the discussion of 9mm vs .45 ACP on Glock Talk.


Good luck to Loopy. Choice is good.
 
#29
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like a double turn and rheostat placement shouldn't eliminate it from being FFP as in the S&B's. </div></div>

I'd imagine it probably is a double turn. I seriously doubt they'd put out a 34mm tube that only gave you 10 mils of travel. I just don't see any indicators of a second turn. Maybe on the production model.

Yeah, rheostat placement doesn't eliminate it from being FFP, but it can be an indication for an educated guess when no other information is available. Apparently it is FFP though, so no worries.
 
#31
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The button on the top probably sinks down on the 2nd elevation turn. It looks like it still has set screws on the side so the top button isn't some rapid zero reset device.
 
#32
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This thread's funny and so typical. Lets all just keep flappin our gums, we'll eventually justify spending 3K on glass to punch paper with. Rumors come out that Leupold is finally addressing some of the issues they have been unceasingly bashed about for literally years and they get more of the same without any facts even coming out yet. I'm no "Leupy Loyal" but as far as quality goes, as with ANY make, there are more than a few of us that have had zero problems with Leupold. There are also more than just a few of us that hope this is all just BS rumors and it may just be. We'll see.

okie
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: okiefired</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...There are also more than just a few of us that hope this is all just <span style="color: #CC0000">BS rumors</span> and it may just be. We'll see.

okie </div></div>

What BS Rumors? These guys are just trying to determine some details about that new 3K leuppy scope and I can see why. It's a unique looking scope and possibly has some features these guys want on a scope. The problem is they don't have enough information to be sure of anything, but reasoning it out is a fun exercise.

I'm not a leuppy basher either; I LOVE the VX-3 2.5-8x36 riflescope. My daughter killed her first deer with that scope mounted on an H&R Ultra Slugster shotgun. I can't say anything bad about that scope. The image is crystal clear, the eye box is HUGE...she had no trouble finding that little buck in the scope, and when she shot, the scope never touched her.
 
#35
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427Cobra</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It will be priced like all there products, full of Chinese parts, assembled in America, 300% profit with a great warrenty that you will need.</div></div>

Tell us how you really feel!
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I personally think that the Mark 4's true problem has been the somewhat limited power range and non-matching knobs/reticle. It appears that they are at least addressing one of these problems.
 
#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mumbles</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I'd imagine it probably is a double turn. I seriously doubt they'd put out a 34mm tube that only gave you 10 mils of travel. I just don't see any indicators of a second turn. Maybe on the production model.

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Why do you need another set of marks for the second turn? If it has a zero stop you can't get lost as you can bottom back out. Also it has marks for 10 mils then if you needed 11 mils you just use a little math and go 1 rotation and then to the 1 mil mark. If you need 15 mils you go one rotation and to the 5 mil mark. Not rocket science.
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I am with Graham though, will it track? The Leupolds I have owned weren't the best in that department.
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#39
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I actually just sent a e-mail to Leupold about 2 weeks ago asking if they would custom a FFP with Mil/Mil adjustments. I grew up on Leupy and just wanna keep it local (Live 15 minutes from there headquarters). The response I got was along the lines of "contact us around the beginning of the year about that". I might be reading to deep into this but I assumed that meant that they just had one in the works and didnt want to disclose to much about it.
 
#40
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as much as i was upset to find out my MADE IN USA leupold was no guarantee...

i say they did good with this.

i look at it this way, out of all the major scope brands, leupold was hanging back on the last rung with hardly any real advancements to their lineup. NOW that theyre staking a claim in the S&B/PH feature territory imagine the response from the competition in their own catalogs.

hopefully the oversized everything means durability...

as rob said, you dont NEED new numbers once '0' can double as 10. (nightforce milrad has 5 mils per turn)

in conclusion, kudos for leupold for retiring their 1990s tactical scope dogma.
&
regardless of this scopes success, expect an XL nightforce sooner than later.
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 051F</div><div class="ubbcode-body">as much as i was upset to find out my MADE IN USA leupold was no guarantee...

i say they did good with this.

i look at it this way, out of all the major scope brands, leupold was hanging back on the last rung with hardly any real advancements to their lineup. NOW that theyre staking a claim in the S&B/PH feature territory imagine the response from the competition in their own catalogs.

hopefully the oversized everything means durability...

as rob said, you dont NEED new numbers once '0' can double as 10. (nightforce milrad has 5 mils per turn)

in conclusion, kudos for leupold for retiring their 1990s tactical scope dogma.
&
regardless of this scopes success, expect an XL nightforce sooner than later. </div></div>


Just curious how come your leupold has no warrenty? You guys need to relax a bit remember this is probably a prototype the finished product could have many revisions.
 
#43
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Price will be interesting, but maybe they'll surprise us and keep it under $2k. </div></div>

...somebody's an optimist.
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I cant wait for this to come out. If priced as high or lower than NF, they will sell the hell out of them. I would buy one in a heartbeat. But, I love Leupold. Had a bunch and zero problems. Great bang for the buck in my experience.
 
#45
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why do you need another set of marks for the second turn? If it has a zero stop you can't get lost as you can bottom back out. Also it has marks for 10 mils then if you needed 11 mils you just use a little math and go 1 rotation and then to the 1 mil mark. If you need 15 mils you go one rotation and to the 5 mil mark. Not rocket science.
wink.gif
</div></div>

Well, obviously. Just that generally there is some visible indication of a turret having more than one turn, whether it be stadia lines like the M1 turrets, or a second set of numbers above the first. Again, it's just the prototype.
 
#46
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I would think it would need to be around 2k , as it dosn't really matter " what nice features IT has " , as leupold has steedily water down there once GOOD rep , know look at most guys rigs , and you donot see them .

From glass to tracking issues , to cheap chinese parts ( and not making anyone aware of IT ) , most people have LOST faith with them in there ability to make great .

And when it comes to putting a large amount of CASH on the line for a top scope , most will pay safe , and go NF , S&B & Premier .

Later Chris
 
#50
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I bet that more than half of those who bash Leupold either dont own them or have never had a problem. They see someone with a high post count they want to emulate bashing Leupy then they do the same. Makes them feel "experienced". I am sure Leupy has had their share of issues, but I have never owned a bad one. And I have had quite a few from $200 VXI's to high end MKIV's.
 
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