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New product development: Scope bases, help!

TresMon

TresMon

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Hey Guys I'm thinking of a new line of scope bases. The idea is to offer
15moa, 25 moa & 30 moa.

The reason is there are plenty of 0 and 20 moa on the market. I say there's no reason for my crew to make more redundant products in the market. But also having a 15 & 25 moa options would fill a niche in the market. Reasons:

15 moa base: I think of this as "some" slope for the average .22 shooter. Almost any scope/rifle combo could still zero @ 25 yards but the 15 minutes would Help them get on out to further ranges. This would also compensate for/even out the known Ruger 10/22 "barrel sag."

25 moa:There's 20 moa bases out there already so why be redundant? But the guy buying a 20moa base is looking to shoot truly long range with a .22. For the 300 & 400 yard rimfire shooter the sweet spot for bases seems to be around the 25moa base mark. Granted it varies some depending on scope, rings & rifle combo but even a 20 moa base still lets me zero @ 25 yards, and does not leave enough scope elevation for 400yards. I'm running a 20 moa base AND Burris rings with offset inserts that add MORE slope. I can still EASILY zero @ 50 yards, and have enough scope elevation to get to 360 yards or so, and the mil reticle gets me on out to 400 +.

30moa:I wish I could get a 30 moa base for my personal rig. But like I said 25moa base seems to be the sweet spot for long range .22. 20moa bases are out, and if I offered a 25 & 30 a shooter could fine tune their needs with a step to either side of the sweet spot.

Questions!! :

1. So what are your thoughts of introducing these different/odd base slopes to the market?

2. For what -commonly seen- rifles at rimfire shoots should they be produced for?
MY list:
R. 10/22
CZ
Savage MK2
Anschuetz

What common rifles am I missing? Thanks guys.
T
 
#2
Re: New product development: Scope bases, help!

I think that there is a niche in the market for different bases based on my own personal use/experience, but at least one of your product ideas has already been done.

For example, I run a 15MOA base made by Tac Sol on one of my 10/22. It is a machined Aluminum rail around 4.5" long with a 15MOA cant that works better for me than a 20MOA would. Tac Sol charges around $30 for their base, so even though it is on the market already, there is certainly room for competition if you can keep the price in line (or even a little higher for a quality steel base instead of the alloy or for perhaps a slightly longer rail).
 
#3
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The only other gun I would say to add to your list would be the 40x unless there is already the "oddly sloped" bases available for cheap. I don't know if CZ's recievers are drilled with different hole spacing from model to model, but that would be something to look into too. The Anschutz models are different lengths but again, I have no clue about screw spacing. I am sort of leaning towards a MkI for my next build (for the single shot) and I believe the MkII and MkI both use the same bases but I could be incorrect on that. It's not a very common gun to see on the firing line but if it uses the same bases as its repeater brother, then you should be fine...

But what would be really cool, is if you could offer these bases of yours with a built in rear sight base mount option. So instead of the iron sight shooter having to go to a smith to get his reciever drilled out specifically for a secieved base, he could come to you and buy a base with it built in which wouldn't screw up his rifles re-sale value and wouldn't put him out of a rifle while waiting for those holes to be drilled. This would also allow an iron sighted shooter to switch over to scoped shooting very quickly and easily. I guess, for those palma trainers out there, you could offer these mounts with their own MOA cant for the 300 yard shots the palma shooters do during the off season.

I'm just talking to myself here
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-Dylan
 
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They are WAY behind in shipping, and savage shooters are not the only guys that would appreciate a 25moa base.

Thanks, keep your thoughts coming in!
 
#8
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Ruger 77/22 PLEASE.

You have no idea how badly we need a base with elevation built in.

So far the only option is to buy Burris rings with those chinzy inserts to add elevation to our optics. Bleh

Anyway, if you ventured into the 77/22 area, minor length changes would yield bases for ruger No.1, Mini-14, Mini-30, and 77-MK2 centerfire rifle series.
 
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Yeah come to think of it I have a buddy with a 77/22. He'd like to have a sloped base as well.

Thanks. Keep the thoughts and ideas coming!
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TresMon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
They are WAY behind in shipping
</div></div>
I ordered one last night and it shipped today. But yes, there is more than just savage owners wanting 25 moa.
 
#12
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TresMon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yeah come to think of it I have a buddy with a 77/22. He'd like to have a sloped base as well.

Thanks. Keep the thoughts and ideas coming! </div></div>

If you do look into it, the best (albeit, time consuming) way to mount it is to have the base grab onto the stock Ruger receiver cutouts. Take a look at your buddies receiver, and you'll see what i mean.

Weigand makes a 77/22 picatinny mount, but when asked if they could make one with elevation built in, they profusely said no. *I'm praying* you wont.
 
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I think quite a few are looking for a quality mount made out of steel ( all I have heard of , are Aluminium ) .

I would say make it so it is screwed to the action , ie a gunsmith job , I would like a CZ model , donot go cheap , there are more tha enough cheap bases .

I will say it again , for the hard of hearing , go steel , not interested in Aluminium .

Later Chris
 
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Request for steel bases:

Steel is quite a bit harder to machine than aluminum, and requires slower cycle times on the CNC machines. It also wears tooling FAR faster.

Would you be willing to pay triple cost for steel vs aluminum base of the exact same design?

Also to each his own, but why are you so adamant about steel bases? There's no recoil to cause flex, etc. educate me....
 
#17
Re: New product development: Scope bases, help!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TresMon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Request for steel bases:

Steel is quite a bit harder to machine than aluminum, and requires slower cycle times on the CNC machines. It also wears tooling FAR faster.

Would you be willing to pay triple cost for steel vs aluminum base of the exact same design?

Also to each his own, but why are you so adamant about steel bases? There's no recoil to cause flex, etc. educate me.... </div></div>
+1, I'd like to understand why as well...
 
#18
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I'd probably buy a 30 moa base for my MKII. Why don't you design one with some adjustment? It'd be great to dial the scope to within a few clicks of all the way down and then zero with the base. That'd get you all the elevation the scope has available assuming you have enough windage to get zeroed with the scope at its limit. Now <span style="text-decoration: underline">that</span> would be cool.
 
#21
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Their are a number of Aluminium Pitcanny bases already made for most rimfires , so I donot see the need to manufacture more .
You want a point of difference in this market , steel could be it or Not .

Their is a gap in this market , ie NO steel bases .

I want steel , due to the fact I will mount a heavy scope on it , and am willing to pay the same cost as I would for a steel base for a rem700 etc .

Later Chris
 
#22
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I guess it depends on what triple is, but aluminum has a history of rounding or peening for a lot of folks, but if modern alloyed 'aluminum' will not exhibit that characteristic, simply edify that in your marketing materials.

Having an 'iron' sighitng system available to be easily integrated to your bases is a great idea. I would buy one for all four of my rimfires that would accept such a system, a Ruger 10/22, a CZ 453 Varmint, a Henry Golden Boy, a CZ Montanna Varmint Extreme, and heck if my Browning BAR 22 accepted bases, I would put em on it too!

I think a quality ring for direct attacthment to the rails on CZ's and Sako Quads with slope designed into it in varying heights would be very popular.....oh and BTW, that's another rifle to think about, the Sako Quads--lot's of them out there.
 
#23
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Yeah, I know it was my idea and that makes me biased to it, but I would be willing to pay much more for a base with the irons adapter built into it already. I don't know how well it would sell tho
 
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