New Timeline of Vegas shooting room with the gunman was identified before shooting started

[W54/XM-388]

This is worth a careful read:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4964652/Las-Vegas-killer-timeline-chaos-new-revelations.html

Basically the crazy guy shot the security guard well before he started the mass murder rampage & the guard notified security (who I'm sure notified the police) that he had been shot by a gunman in xxx room 6 minutes before the mass shooting started.

 

[2ndamendfan]

Just saw that. Sure would explain how the officers arrived in 12 minutes. Fact become more clear over time so it doesn't surprise me that the time line is changing. Lots of chaos at first I am sure.

 

[Howland]

Did you ever read the official report of the Sandy Hook massacre?

I tried. Until I got to the part where the first officer on the scene didn't attempt entry for six minutes.

I'll bet he didn't have kids in there. I wonder how many kids died during while he was waiting for backup.

 

[Sixfivesavage]

Just as with Sandy hook. So much shit does not add up here. Someone explain to me how the fuck does it take 12 fucking minutes for cops to arrive to reports of multiple gunshots and a shot security guard in the middle of fucking Vegas. This is what's going to happen, there is going to be a slow trickle of information let out here and there with certain things withheld from public in the hopes to keep shit under wraps. There is so much more to this than meets the eye and I don't think we will ever get the truth. I've never been to Vegas, so maybe I'm wrong but I would think there are cops much closer than this response time. Christ, if they think you're counting cards security is on you quick, multiple gunshots and a dead security guard doesn't have a swarm response? Time and time again we see with this type of shit, these asshole off themselves at the first sign of resistance. I've heard before that tactics are taught for immediate response because of this, don't give them time to do the shit they do. Yet here, in Vegas where there was more than likely higher amounts of LE than a small town, it took 12 fucking minutes to get there. Something isn't right.

 

[...]

Just as with Sandy hook. So much shit does not add up here. Someone explain to me how the fuck does it take 12 fucking minutes for cops to arrive to reports of multiple gunshots and a shot security guard in the middle of fucking Vegas. This is what's going to happen, there is going to be a slow trickle of information let out here and there with certain things withheld from public in the hopes to keep shit under wraps. There is so much more to this than meets the eye and I don't think we will ever get the truth. I've never been to Vegas, so maybe I'm wrong but I would think there are cops much closer than this response time. Christ, if they think you're counting cards security is on you quick, multiple gunshots and a dead security guard doesn't have a swarm response? Time and time again we see with this type of shit, these asshole off themselves at the first sign of resistance. I've heard before that tactics are taught for immediate response because of this, don't give them time to do the shit they do. Yet here, in Vegas where there was more than likely higher amounts of LE than a small town, it took 12 fucking minutes to get there. Something isn't right.

from what ive been able to find, LVMPD has pretty shit response times in general.

although according to LVMPD, they have an average response time of 6 minutes for a priority call

https://www.leg.state.nv.us/App/NEL...hibitId=25930&fileDownloadName=0209_calc_.pdf

.....guess this wasnt a priority.......

 

[Maggot]

At the end of this article is a list with photos of the victims. I had to stop after about 10. what a fucking waste of life and talent.

FUCK.

 

[2ndamendfan]

Just as with Sandy hook. So much shit does not add up here. Someone explain to me how the fuck does it take 12 fucking minutes for cops to arrive to reports of multiple gunshots and a shot security guard in the middle of fucking Vegas. This is what's going to happen, there is going to be a slow trickle of information let out here and there with certain things withheld from public in the hopes to keep shit under wraps. There is so much more to this than meets the eye and I don't think we will ever get the truth. I've never been to Vegas, so maybe I'm wrong but I would think there are cops much closer than this response time. Christ, if they think you're counting cards security is on you quick, multiple gunshots and a dead security guard doesn't have a swarm response? Time and time again we see with this type of shit, these asshole off themselves at the first sign of resistance. I've heard before that tactics are taught for immediate response because of this, don't give them time to do the shit they do. Yet here, in Vegas where there was more than likely higher amounts of LE than a small town, it took 12 fucking minutes to get there. Something isn't right.

I don't know what planet you live on but 12 minutes to the 32 floor is pretty damn good. Vegas is busy, traffic is a bitch. The casinos are set up as a maze. There is not an army of cops in vegas. I am not sure how many officers they have but on strip it is not like they have LEO on every corner. In fact i would say from my experience LEO on "the strip" is not super common. Las Vegas is a big city with most of the crime happening a few blocks off "the strip".

I am not sure what you expect. You have heard the saying "when seconds count cops are minutes away"

Thinking about it I am trying to figure out what you're phishing for. Do you think that LEO sat around and waited 6 minutes before responding?

I will say that in general people panic and over state the emergency at hand when making a 911 call. Having seen it I think this creates complacency. Who in there right mind would expect this.

At work a few years ago i saw a guy loose 2 fingers in a n accident. We called 911 and explained what happened. That 2 fingers where GONE. I could not have been more clear on that matter. 5 min latter a police car shows up with a first aid kit. I look at him like what the fuck. We are industrail in nature we have a first add kit. He comes walking over like no big deal. The whole time he walking across the building i ask does he have an ambulance coming. He says no 3 times. Gets to the guy we have laying down and pulls the towel off his hand and turns blue/green turns around gets on his radio and says to send ambulance fingers are in fact missing. Took ambulance another 7 minutes to arrive.

I talked to the officer and really chewed his ass, saying what the fuck. He said he was sorry but they get calls all the time that sound similar but end up being a small cut.

I told him that was only the 2 nd time in 20 years we had called 911. That any call from this address is to be taken seriously.

I am sure LEO in Vegas are going over their actions. You just can prep for this kind of stuff. You can practice, fuck the Atlanta falcons practiced for the Super Bowl last year and how did that work out. When the pressure hits, few can stand up.

I like LEO and value them, but to think they are anything other than human is misguided.

 

[Nik H]

They also said that he was shooting at the fuel tanks across the way.

I wonder whether that was his primary target...to detonate them. It adds a bit of solution as to why he had a getaway car. If he had ignited a tank, he probably could have fled in the chaos that followed. When the security guard showed up unannounced, he may have decided that the tank was too risky and his chance of escape was low, therefore, move on to plan B and shoot the concert goers and cap himself...

 

[...]

They also said that he was shooting at the fuel tanks across the way.

I wonder whether that was his primary target...to detonate them. It adds a bit of solution as to why he had a getaway car. If he had ignited a tank, he probably could have fled in the chaos that followed. When the security guard showed up unannounced, he may have decided that the tank was too risky and his chance of escape was low, therefore, move on to plan B and shoot the concert goers and cap himself...

might have also been why he was trying to source tracer rounds.....hoping to ignite the fuel with them.

 

[2ndamendfan]

They also said that he was shooting at the fuel tanks across the way.

I wonder whether that was his primary target...to detonate them. It adds a bit of solution as to why he had a getaway car. If he had ignited a tank, he probably could have fled in the chaos that followed. When the security guard showed up unannounced, he may have decided that the tank was too risky and his chance of escape was low, therefore, move on to plan B and shoot the concert goers and cap himself...

Do you have any idea how hard it is to get diesel/kerosene/jet full to ignite. That may have been his idea but far to many people watch far to many movies. It has to be atomized. Its vapor point is much much higher than gasoline. And just sitting in liquid form it is hard to light and then keep lit with a propane torch. Maybe that was his first target and when he didn't get the reaction he thought he would he started on the crowd. Doesn't really matter at this point i guess.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

Regarding the tanks, people don't realize that welding on full tanks is commonplace. Sure, there's risks involved, but when everything is done according to procedure, by 'trained professionals', then the chance of mishap are reduced to decimal points of a percent.

You're absolutely correct about "too many movies".... just the same as every vehicle explodes spectacularly whenever there's a fire. Not every vehicle is a Pinto, and even then.....

 

[QuickNDirty]

I've been to Vegas once. I don't recall seeing any cops at all. I'm sure there's a video of some crazy guy wearing oversized dress shoes hopping fences and running like hell while being chased by hotel security guards. I'd love to see that video.

I think a 12 minute response time is pretty outstanding. As far as the timeline change, maybe LEO folks should just hang around the darker sides of the internet. I had that picture of the valet terminal placing him in and around the area in early September, and what room he had toward the end of September the day the shit happened.

ETA - about the tanks, as much as people say this guy was smart and whatnot, who the fuck would actually think shooting at jet fuel would achieve anything? Even with tracers, I wouldn't expect much of a reaction. I doubt a .223 at 400 yards could even penetrate the tanks, they're 18ga or so right?

 

[SScott]

Just as with Sandy hook. So much shit does not add up here. Someone explain to me how the fuck does it take 12 fucking minutes for cops to arrive to reports of multiple gunshots and a shot security guard in the middle of fucking Vegas. This is what's going to happen, there is going to be a slow trickle of information let out here and there with certain things withheld from public in the hopes to keep shit under wraps. There is so much more to this than meets the eye and I don't think we will ever get the truth. I've never been to Vegas, so maybe I'm wrong but I would think there are cops much closer than this response time. Christ, if they think you're counting cards security is on you quick, multiple gunshots and a dead security guard doesn't have a swarm response? Time and time again we see with this type of shit, these asshole off themselves at the first sign of resistance. I've heard before that tactics are taught for immediate response because of this, don't give them time to do the shit they do. Yet here, in Vegas where there was more than likely higher amounts of LE than a small town, it took 12 fucking minutes to get there. Something isn't right.

I agree that we wil never know the truth, and things don't add up.
I have been to Vegas multiple times and I would almost call BS that they were able to respond within 12 minutes. Those Casinos are HUGE, some of those hallways are so long that you think you are looking at a funhouse mirror, I mean you can see the doors and carpeted hallway get smaller in prospective, if that makes sense.
To tell us that the police went from their daily duties at the cop shop or around town to a "team" of first responders "blowing a door" all within 12 minutes is absolutely outstanding, if it is true.
Like any of these big events, the story will be bent to help somebody's agenda, and us Americans will just lap it up.
Scott

 

[Sixfivesavage]

I don't know what planet you live on but 12 minutes to the 32 floor is pretty damn good. Vegas is busy, traffic is a bitch. The casinos are set up as a maze. There is not an army of cops in vegas. I am not sure how many officers they have but on strip it is not like they have LEO on every corner. In fact i would say from my experience LEO on "the strip" is not super common. Las Vegas is a big city with most of the crime happening a few blocks off "the strip".

I am not sure what you expect. You have heard the saying "when seconds count cops are minutes away"

Thinking about it I am trying to figure out what you're phishing for. Do you think that LEO sat around and waited 6 minutes before responding?

I will say that in general people panic and over state the emergency at hand when making a 911 call. Having seen it I think this creates complacency. Who in there right mind would expect this.

At work a few years ago i saw a guy loose 2 fingers in a n accident. We called 911 and explained what happened. That 2 fingers where GONE. I could not have been more clear on that matter. 5 min latter a police car shows up with a first aid kit. I look at him like what the fuck. We are industrail in nature we have a first add kit. He comes walking over like no big deal. The whole time he walking across the building i ask does he have an ambulance coming. He says no 3 times. Gets to the guy we have laying down and pulls the towel off his hand and turns blue/green turns around gets on his radio and says to send ambulance fingers are in fact missing. Took ambulance another 7 minutes to arrive.

I talked to the officer and really chewed his ass, saying what the fuck. He said he was sorry but they get calls all the time that sound similar but end up being a small cut.

I told him that was only the 2 nd time in 20 years we had called 911. That any call from this address is to be taken seriously.

I am sure LEO in Vegas are going over their actions. You just can prep for this kind of stuff. You can practice, fuck the Atlanta falcons practiced for the Super Bowl last year and how did that work out. When the pressure hits, few can stand up.

I like LEO and value them, but to think they are anything other than human is misguided.

I get complacency, I understand how it happens and the constant bullshit calls first responders deal with daily. I'm not calling for a police state either, I don't want to come across that way. Like I said, I've never been to Vegas, hell I've not been to hardly any big cities so maybe I'm just assuming too much. I've been assuming that in places like this, especially touristy areas, there is a larger LE presence than there is in most other areas. I'm sure they are reevaluating their operations after this, as they should. This world is a dynamic environment and threats evolve. I just have a very hard time believing that nothing tipped anyone off or made anyone suspicious and there is no information on this guy. If he had ever made any kind of conservative comment or donation, we would know what he's been brushing his teeth with for the last 5 years much less how he aspired to kill liberals or something like that. I don't think cops stood around waiting things out, in fact I'm sure people outside never knew what was going on till people started falling. That high up, I'm sure no-one could hear it much less see any flashes with all the lights I assume are in Vegas. Would this size festival be considered small or average or large for Vegas? I honestly don't know, just would have thought it would garner a larger security presence and calls of shots fired would have been met with more than a 12 minute response time. That's an eternity in this type of situation. I don't blame the cops, I just think there's more to the story here. What it is, I don't know. I don't know if we ever will.

 

[Nik H]

Do you have any idea how hard it is to get diesel/kerosene/jet full to ignite. That may have been his idea but far to many people watch far to many movies. It has to be atomized. Its vapor point is much much higher than gasoline. And just sitting in liquid form it is hard to light and then keep lit with a propane torch. Maybe that was his first target and when he didn't get the reaction he thought he would he started on the crowd. Doesn't really matter at this point i guess.

I am well aware of the difficulty but he may not have been...and you are right when you say the realization of that difficulty coupled with the security guard could have forced him to plan B...we will never really know.

 

[QuickNDirty]

I get complacency, I understand how it happens and the constant bullshit calls first responders deal with daily. I'm not calling for a police state either, I don't want to come across that way. Like I said, I've never been to Vegas, hell I've not been to hardly any big cities so maybe I'm just assuming too much. I've been assuming that in places like this, especially touristy areas, there is a larger LE presence than there is in most other areas. I'm sure they are reevaluating their operations after this, as they should. This world is a dynamic environment and threats evolve. I just have a very hard time believing that nothing tipped anyone off or made anyone suspicious and there is no information on this guy. If he had ever made any kind of conservative comment or donation, we would know what he's been brushing his teeth with for the last 5 years much less how he aspired to kill liberals or something like that. I don't think cops stood around waiting things out, in fact I'm sure people outside never knew what was going on till people started falling. That high up, I'm sure no-one could hear it much less see any flashes with all the lights I assume are in Vegas. Would this size festival be considered small or average or large for Vegas? I honestly don't know, just would have thought it would garner a larger security presence and calls of shots fired would have been met with more than a 12 minute response time. That's an eternity in this type of situation. I don't blame the cops, I just think there's more to the story here. What it is, I don't know. I don't know if we ever will.

Vegas is a place that caters to the worst humanity has to offer. A large police presence would be bad for business, and you can be sure that the filthy rich do their part in making sure everyone is on the same page with respect to what gets enforced, where, and when. A 22kish crowd is peanuts out there. Numbers in the quarter million people are not all that uncommon.

I've only been once (business), don't have any desire to return.

Here's an article, written by Richard C Paddock, that is kinda weird in similarities to this event, though.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/04/w...ie-carlos.html

MANILA — The man who set fire to a Manila casino last week, killing 37 people, was not a terrorist but a heavy gambler who was deep in debt and had lost his job, the police and relatives of the man said Sunday.

 

[Sixfivesavage]

Vegas is a place that caters to the worst humanity has to offer. A large police presence would be bad for business, and you can be sure that the filthy rich do their part in making sure everyone is on the same page with respect to what gets enforced, where, and when. A 22kish crowd is peanuts out there. Numbers in the quarter million people are not all that uncommon.

I've only been once (business), don't have any desire to return.

Well that clears that up then, thanks. I was mistaken in my thoughts apparently. Where I'm from that's a lot of people.

 

[2ndamendfan]

I am well aware of the difficulty but he may not have been...and you are right when you say the realization of that difficulty coupled with the security guard could have forced him to plan B...we will never really know.

Sorry if I struck a nerve that was not my intent. When I type "you" in a response I am generally speaking to the reader of the post not necessarily anyone person. Yes I know I quoted YOU, but my response was still meant in general terms.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I don't know what planet you live on but 12 minutes to the 32 floor is pretty damn good. Vegas is busy, traffic is a bitch. The casinos are set up as a maze. There is not an army of cops in vegas. I am not sure how many officers they have but on strip it is not like they have LEO on every corner. In fact i would say from my experience LEO on "the strip" is not super common. Las Vegas is a big city with most of the crime happening a few blocks off "the strip".

I am not sure what you expect. You have heard the saying "when seconds count cops are minutes away"

Thinking about it I am trying to figure out what you're phishing for. Do you think that LEO sat around and waited 6 minutes before responding?

I will say that in general people panic and over state the emergency at hand when making a 911 call. Having seen it I think this creates complacency. Who in there right mind would expect this.

At work a few years ago i saw a guy loose 2 fingers in a n accident. We called 911 and explained what happened. That 2 fingers where GONE. I could not have been more clear on that matter. 5 min latter a police car shows up with a first aid kit. I look at him like what the fuck. We are industrail in nature we have a first add kit. He comes walking over like no big deal. The whole time he walking across the building i ask does he have an ambulance coming. He says no 3 times. Gets to the guy we have laying down and pulls the towel off his hand and turns blue/green turns around gets on his radio and says to send ambulance fingers are in fact missing. Took ambulance another 7 minutes to arrive.

I talked to the officer and really chewed his ass, saying what the fuck. He said he was sorry but they get calls all the time that sound similar but end up being a small cut.

I told him that was only the 2 nd time in 20 years we had called 911. That any call from this address is to be taken seriously.

I am sure LEO in Vegas are going over their actions. You just can prep for this kind of stuff. You can practice, fuck the Atlanta falcons practiced for the Super Bowl last year and how did that work out. When the pressure hits, few can stand up.

I like LEO and value them, but to think they are anything other than human is misguided.

I'm confused. Do they now add six minutes to the original 12? BTW, the hotel has armed security. I guess they stayed downstairs while one of their unarmed wounded partners stayed on the 32nd? This is going to blow up.

 

[2ndamendfan]

I'm confused. Do they now add six minutes to the original 12? BTW, the hotel has armed security. I guess they stayed downstairs while one of their unarmed wounded partners stayed on the 32nd? This is going to blow up.

It depends on when the police where called. Reports right now are that the LEO found the security officer on the 32 floor and were not aware prior to his discovery near the elevators that he had been wounded. The time line for the shooting to start on the crowd below is the same, shooting started at 10:05 stopped at approx 10:15, LEO arrived at 32 floor 10:17. There are 6 minutes added to the start but the shooter did nothing for those same six minutes.

As far as Armed security in the hotel/casino I have only seen that on select few. Usually those dealing with money/chips.

If in fact the armed security were notified and did stay down stairs then that is on the hotel not the LEO.

It is only going to blow up because people want it to blow up.

 

[Nik H]

Sorry if I struck a nerve that was not my intent. When I type "you" in a response I am generally speaking to the reader of the post not necessarily anyone person. Yes I know I quoted YOU, but my response was still meant in general terms.

NP my friend

Always enjoy your posts

 

[Maggot]

Vegas is a place that caters to the worst humanity has to offer. A large police presence would be bad for business, and you can be sure that the filthy rich do their part in making sure everyone is on the same page with respect to what gets enforced, where, and when. A 22kish crowd is peanuts out there. Numbers in the quarter million people are not all that uncommon.

I've only been once (business), don't have any desire to return.

Here's an article, written by Richard C Paddock, that is kinda weird in similarities to this event, though.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/04/w...ie-carlos.html

Ive been twice. Once for the Consumer Electronic Show, and once passing thru. The casinos do nothing for me...in fact I find them some what repulsive. Not only because the city attracts the lowest kind, but I just find it troubling that people piss away so much thinking they might win and te reality is the house odds ALWAYS win...in the long run.

Though I met some nice folks, who were actually from there, there is nothing that would take me back.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

I thought he shot a couple of hundred rounds through the door and then it took him six minutes to start shooting at the concert. I don't get it. It doesn't add up to dry shit. For all we know he started busting out the Windows during those six minutes. We're going to have to wait for more facts.

 

[2ndamendfan]

If you have ever beat on a piece of tempered glass it can take a lot of abuse. I would imagine it is/was laminated also.

I guess i am failing to understand what about a crazed physcotic person has you baffled.

 

[Deleted member 10043]

The nutcase doesn't confuse me. The first calls to the police should have been a security guard is shot along with hundreds of rounds fired down the corridor not gunfire raining down on people on the street.

 

[Sixfivesavage]

The nutcase doesn't confuse me. The first calls to the police should have been a security guard is shot along with hundreds of rounds fired down the corridor not gunfire raining down on people on the street.

Ditto. That's the timeframe I'm confused on.

 

[sgj2025]

I don't know what planet you live on but 12 minutes to the 32 floor is pretty damn good. Vegas is busy, traffic is a bitch. The casinos are set up as a maze. There is not an army of cops in vegas. I am not sure how many officers they have but on strip it is not like they have LEO on every corner. In fact i would say from my experience LEO on "the strip" is not super common. Las Vegas is a big city with most of the crime happening a few blocks off "the strip".

I am not sure what you expect. You have heard the saying "when seconds count cops are minutes away"

Thinking about it I am trying to figure out what you're phishing for. Do you think that LEO sat around and waited 6 minutes before responding?

I will say that in general people panic and over state the emergency at hand when making a 911 call. Having seen it I think this creates complacency. Who in there right mind would expect this.

At work a few years ago i saw a guy loose 2 fingers in a n accident. We called 911 and explained what happened. That 2 fingers where GONE. I could not have been more clear on that matter. 5 min latter a police car shows up with a first aid kit. I look at him like what the fuck. We are industrail in nature we have a first add kit. He comes walking over like no big deal. The whole time he walking across the building i ask does he have an ambulance coming. He says no 3 times. Gets to the guy we have laying down and pulls the towel off his hand and turns blue/green turns around gets on his radio and says to send ambulance fingers are in fact missing. Took ambulance another 7 minutes to arrive.

I talked to the officer and really chewed his ass, saying what the fuck. He said he was sorry but they get calls all the time that sound similar but end up being a small cut.

I told him that was only the 2 nd time in 20 years we had called 911. That any call from this address is to be taken seriously.

I am sure LEO in Vegas are going over their actions. You just can prep for this kind of stuff. You can practice, fuck the Atlanta falcons practiced for the Super Bowl last year and how did that work out. When the pressure hits, few can stand up.


I like LEO and value them, but to think they are anything other than human is misguided.[/QUOTE


I thought 12 minutes to the 32nd floor was pretty decent

 

[james24]

I've been lucky enough to go Vegas for racing past 3 years many times a year. Never really seen many cops period. That and the fact u can't drive at night anywhere due to traffic so everything seems normal to me. Most cops look the other way there also.

 

[QuickNDirty]

Apparently MGM doesn't think the report is accurate, either.

http://www.trunews.com/article/exclusive-mgm-says-police-timeline-may-not-be-accurate

“This remains an ongoing investigation with a lot of moving parts. As evidenced by law enforcement briefings over the past week, many facts are still unverified and continue to change as events are under review. We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline that has been communicated publicly, and we believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate,” DeShong told TruNews.

They did release audio of someone calling in the shooting, though.