Is it just me or is that exactly what looks like what happened there?
http://xcr.robarm.com/products.php
http://xcr.robarm.com/products.php
New XCR-L and M SCAR rip off!
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I'm not trying to bash them. They look pretty good to me. But it seems to me that they very closely resemble the SCAR or even a mix of SCAR and ACR?
WOw this is actually quite impressive now that I see it. I've never seen a scar do this. But ACR yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RFouHg_ZnNU#!
I'm not trying to bash them. They look pretty good to me. But it seems to me that they very closely resemble the SCAR or even a mix of SCAR and ACR?
WOw this is actually quite impressive now that I see it. I've never seen a scar do this. But ACR yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RFouHg_ZnNU#!
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I don't know the ins and outs of copyright or patent law but Robinson could very well find themselves on the receiving end of a big lawsuit. In fact, it appears that what they've done is no different than how Hogan has copied the POF design and is now marketing it as their own.
I don't know the ins and outs of copyright or patent law but Robinson could very well find themselves on the receiving end of a big lawsuit. In fact, it appears that what they've done is no different than how Hogan has copied the POF design and is now marketing it as their own.
Re: New XCR-L and M SCAR rip off!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know the ins and outs of copyright or patent law but Robinson could very well find themselves on the receiving end of a big lawsuit. In fact, it appeara that what they've done is no different than how Hogan has copied the POF design and is now marketing it as their own. </div></div>
Wow I didn't know about that. Dang.
btw your POF in your Signature is sweet man.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know the ins and outs of copyright or patent law but Robinson could very well find themselves on the receiving end of a big lawsuit. In fact, it appeara that what they've done is no different than how Hogan has copied the POF design and is now marketing it as their own. </div></div>
Wow I didn't know about that. Dang.
btw your POF in your Signature is sweet man.
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Blatant rip off if you ask me . Looks like acr enhanced ,I wonder if bushmaster ,remington knows about this ? Kinda makes me want to shoot them a email .
Blatant rip off if you ask me . Looks like acr enhanced ,I wonder if bushmaster ,remington knows about this ? Kinda makes me want to shoot them a email .
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The XCR was on the market years before FN offered the SCAR to civilians.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blatant rip off if you ask me . Looks like acr enhanced ,I wonder if bushmaster ,remington knows about this ? Kinda makes me want to shoot them a email .</div></div>
Kinda?
Like it upsets you just a little bit but not enough to compose a complete sentence, let alone several coherent paragraphs.
Or to take the time to find the appropriate contact information for their copyright lawyers?
The XCR was on the market years before FN offered the SCAR to civilians.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Blatant rip off if you ask me . Looks like acr enhanced ,I wonder if bushmaster ,remington knows about this ? Kinda makes me want to shoot them a email .</div></div>
Kinda?
Like it upsets you just a little bit but not enough to compose a complete sentence, let alone several coherent paragraphs.
Or to take the time to find the appropriate contact information for their copyright lawyers?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know the ins and outs of copyright or patent law but Robinson could very well find themselves on the receiving end of a big lawsuit. In fact, it appears that what they've done is no different than how Hogan has copied the POF design and is now marketing it as their own. </div></div>
I may be off on this, but doesn't Hogan actually own the rights to the designs of POF? I believe that they were the machine shop that was manufacturing everything for POF. I'm not saying it's right, but I think that's the story.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know the ins and outs of copyright or patent law but Robinson could very well find themselves on the receiving end of a big lawsuit. In fact, it appears that what they've done is no different than how Hogan has copied the POF design and is now marketing it as their own. </div></div>
I may be off on this, but doesn't Hogan actually own the rights to the designs of POF? I believe that they were the machine shop that was manufacturing everything for POF. I'm not saying it's right, but I think that's the story.
Re: New XCR-L and M SCAR rip off!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UncleBenji</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know the ins and outs of copyright or patent law but Robinson could very well find themselves on the receiving end of a big lawsuit. In fact, it appears that what they've done is no different than how Hogan has copied the POF design and is now marketing it as their own. </div></div>
I may be off on this, but doesn't Hogan actually own the rights to the designs of POF? I believe that they were the machine shop that was manufacturing everything for POF. I'm not saying it's right, but I think that's the story.</div></div>
Actually, that is disputed and will be up to the courts to decide. I find it rather odd, however, that up until this year Hogan...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...has been contracted to manufacture, and in some cases design, products for the aerospace, medical, semi-conductor, construction and remodeling industries. We have also provided machining services for the movie industry, firearms manufacturers, toy makers, auto/motorcycle industries and the development of ground breaking technology. We have specialized in product design, prototype tooling and fixtures with an ability to produce both low and high volume orders.</div></div>
Now, we come to 2011 and suddenly, Hogan starts selling firearms that POF*USA has been marketing since 2006 and the Hogan design is POF right down to the letter.
Typically, when someone consults with a company to come up with a design for manufacturing, the designing/manufacturing company has no rights to the designs for which they have been paid to create, as the customer has paid to have the product manufactured/designed.
What Hogan is doing would fall under copyright and patent infringement...UNLESS...Frank of POF*USA made a deal and the deal went sour.
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/do...e+Factory+Inc++
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UncleBenji</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know the ins and outs of copyright or patent law but Robinson could very well find themselves on the receiving end of a big lawsuit. In fact, it appears that what they've done is no different than how Hogan has copied the POF design and is now marketing it as their own. </div></div>
I may be off on this, but doesn't Hogan actually own the rights to the designs of POF? I believe that they were the machine shop that was manufacturing everything for POF. I'm not saying it's right, but I think that's the story.</div></div>
Actually, that is disputed and will be up to the courts to decide. I find it rather odd, however, that up until this year Hogan...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...has been contracted to manufacture, and in some cases design, products for the aerospace, medical, semi-conductor, construction and remodeling industries. We have also provided machining services for the movie industry, firearms manufacturers, toy makers, auto/motorcycle industries and the development of ground breaking technology. We have specialized in product design, prototype tooling and fixtures with an ability to produce both low and high volume orders.</div></div>
Now, we come to 2011 and suddenly, Hogan starts selling firearms that POF*USA has been marketing since 2006 and the Hogan design is POF right down to the letter.
Typically, when someone consults with a company to come up with a design for manufacturing, the designing/manufacturing company has no rights to the designs for which they have been paid to create, as the customer has paid to have the product manufactured/designed.
What Hogan is doing would fall under copyright and patent infringement...UNLESS...Frank of POF*USA made a deal and the deal went sour.
http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/do...e+Factory+Inc++
Re: New XCR-L and M SCAR rip off!
Sorry, to me the XCR looks no more like a SCAR than a Savage 10 looks like a Remington 700.
Sorry, to me the XCR looks no more like a SCAR than a Savage 10 looks like a Remington 700.
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Really? Not at all?
That being said, a vast majority of the AR's being produced look alike, aside from some sort of 'custom' feature.
Really? Not at all?
That being said, a vast majority of the AR's being produced look alike, aside from some sort of 'custom' feature.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smaddox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">looks like the same xcr that they have been making for years with a new stock.
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+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: smaddox</div><div class="ubbcode-body">looks like the same xcr that they have been making for years with a new stock.
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+1
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That stock is not all that original, some might cry that the ACR copied the SCAR. Many companies have similar stocks in some form , it is just the progression of combat firearms. Beretta ARX, CZ S805, XM8...
And for Hogan, they were the manufacturer of POF components, not some new company copying a design
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not trying to bash them. They look pretty good to me. But it seems to me that they very closely resemble the SCAR or even a mix of SCAR and ACR?
WOw this is actually quite impressive now that I see it. I've never seen a scar do this. But ACR yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RFouHg_ZnNU#!</div></div>
That stock is not all that original, some might cry that the ACR copied the SCAR. Many companies have similar stocks in some form , it is just the progression of combat firearms. Beretta ARX, CZ S805, XM8...
And for Hogan, they were the manufacturer of POF components, not some new company copying a design
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not trying to bash them. They look pretty good to me. But it seems to me that they very closely resemble the SCAR or even a mix of SCAR and ACR?
WOw this is actually quite impressive now that I see it. I've never seen a scar do this. But ACR yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RFouHg_ZnNU#!</div></div>
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All they gotta do is change one thing in the system.
Killshot,
Interesting court link. Who is Lexington insurance and why was their case against POF dismissed with predjudice? I see Stanley Hammerman represents them and Hogan Mfg.
All they gotta do is change one thing in the system.
Killshot,
Interesting court link. Who is Lexington insurance and why was their case against POF dismissed with predjudice? I see Stanley Hammerman represents them and Hogan Mfg.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eternal24k</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That stock is not all that original, some might cry that the ACR copied the SCAR. Many companies have similar stocks in some form , it is just the progression of combat firearms. Beretta ARX, CZ S805, XM8...
<span style="font-weight: bold">And for Hogan, they were the manufacturer of POF components, not some new company copying a design </span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not trying to bash them. They look pretty good to me. But it seems to me that they very closely resemble the SCAR or even a mix of SCAR and ACR?
WOw this is actually quite impressive now that I see it. I've never seen a scar do this. But ACR yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RFouHg_ZnNU#!</div></div> </div></div>
The design of the Hogan rifles, which Hogan never before produced, is the same design that POF has been using since 2006. Hogan has been a manufacturer of components, never complete rifles, and suddenly they decide to start manufacturing complete rifles which are identical to POF. If that isn't a copy, what would it be considered?
When you manufacture something for someone else, that <span style="font-style: italic">does not</span> give you rights to market the product as your own, with your own logo.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eternal24k</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That stock is not all that original, some might cry that the ACR copied the SCAR. Many companies have similar stocks in some form , it is just the progression of combat firearms. Beretta ARX, CZ S805, XM8...
<span style="font-weight: bold">And for Hogan, they were the manufacturer of POF components, not some new company copying a design </span>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xris</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not trying to bash them. They look pretty good to me. But it seems to me that they very closely resemble the SCAR or even a mix of SCAR and ACR?
WOw this is actually quite impressive now that I see it. I've never seen a scar do this. But ACR yes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RFouHg_ZnNU#!</div></div> </div></div>
The design of the Hogan rifles, which Hogan never before produced, is the same design that POF has been using since 2006. Hogan has been a manufacturer of components, never complete rifles, and suddenly they decide to start manufacturing complete rifles which are identical to POF. If that isn't a copy, what would it be considered?
When you manufacture something for someone else, that <span style="font-style: italic">does not</span> give you rights to market the product as your own, with your own logo.
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Is this thread about XCR vs the SCAR & ACR or Hogan vs POF?
Robinson filed a suit against Magpul/Remington/Bushmaster saying the ACR copied the XCR. To me, the XCR looks a lot more like the ACR than the SCAR.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/01/18/robinson-arms-sues-remington-magpul-and-others/
Is this thread about XCR vs the SCAR & ACR or Hogan vs POF?
Robinson filed a suit against Magpul/Remington/Bushmaster saying the ACR copied the XCR. To me, the XCR looks a lot more like the ACR than the SCAR.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/01/18/robinson-arms-sues-remington-magpul-and-others/
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really? Not at all? </div></div>
Re-read my comment. If I started tossing photos of a M700 in an H&S stock and a Savage 10 in an H&S stock, would they not look more alike than the XCR and SCAR?
Both the XCR and SCAR use the same form factor and the same operating system. Why would they NOT bear a resemblance to each other?
Compare an Armalite AR-10, DPMS LR-308 and KAC M110. How many similarities are there?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really? Not at all? </div></div>
Re-read my comment. If I started tossing photos of a M700 in an H&S stock and a Savage 10 in an H&S stock, would they not look more alike than the XCR and SCAR?
Both the XCR and SCAR use the same form factor and the same operating system. Why would they NOT bear a resemblance to each other?
Compare an Armalite AR-10, DPMS LR-308 and KAC M110. How many similarities are there?
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it would have better if the lower module of the scar would have used the M-110 mags and robarms made this mod with the use of ar triggers as well for the scar system ..making logics better for the all ! copy maybe but both will lose in the long run ..
it would have better if the lower module of the scar would have used the M-110 mags and robarms made this mod with the use of ar triggers as well for the scar system ..making logics better for the all ! copy maybe but both will lose in the long run ..
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Is this thread about XCR vs the SCAR & ACR or Hogan vs POF?</span>
Robinson filed a suit against Magpul/Remington/Bushmaster saying the ACR copied the XCR. To me, the XCR looks a lot more like the ACR than the SCAR.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/01/18/robinson-arms-sues-remington-magpul-and-others/</div></div>
It's called supporting evidence and setting legal precedents
Edit:
However, that is an excellent link as well showing Robinson had the patent on that in 2003. Clearly showing they did not copy. And, quite possibly, Remington and subsidiaries did copy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Is this thread about XCR vs the SCAR & ACR or Hogan vs POF?</span>
Robinson filed a suit against Magpul/Remington/Bushmaster saying the ACR copied the XCR. To me, the XCR looks a lot more like the ACR than the SCAR.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/01/18/robinson-arms-sues-remington-magpul-and-others/</div></div>
It's called supporting evidence and setting legal precedents
Edit:
However, that is an excellent link as well showing Robinson had the patent on that in 2003. Clearly showing they did not copy. And, quite possibly, Remington and subsidiaries did copy.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really? Not at all? </div></div>
Re-read my comment. If I started tossing photos of a M700 in an H&S stock and a Savage 10 in an H&S stock, would they not look more alike than the XCR and SCAR?
Both the XCR and SCAR use the same form factor and the same operating system. Why would they NOT bear a resemblance to each other?
Compare an Armalite AR-10, DPMS LR-308 and KAC M110. How many similarities are there? </div></div>
Oh, I agree with what you're saying and didn't mean to come across as argumentative. I believe if would be patent infringement if they copied certain aspects or pretty much everything like the reference I made to Hogan, not intending to derail the topic.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Is this thread about XCR vs the SCAR & ACR or Hogan vs POF?</span>
Robinson filed a suit against Magpul/Remington/Bushmaster saying the ACR copied the XCR. To me, the XCR looks a lot more like the ACR than the SCAR.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/01/18/robinson-arms-sues-remington-magpul-and-others/</div></div>
I was asked a question and then another, and I have replied accordingly. If you have an issue with it, you're free to excuse yourself from this topic.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Really? Not at all? </div></div>
Re-read my comment. If I started tossing photos of a M700 in an H&S stock and a Savage 10 in an H&S stock, would they not look more alike than the XCR and SCAR?
Both the XCR and SCAR use the same form factor and the same operating system. Why would they NOT bear a resemblance to each other?
Compare an Armalite AR-10, DPMS LR-308 and KAC M110. How many similarities are there? </div></div>
Oh, I agree with what you're saying and didn't mean to come across as argumentative. I believe if would be patent infringement if they copied certain aspects or pretty much everything like the reference I made to Hogan, not intending to derail the topic.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: koz</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Is this thread about XCR vs the SCAR & ACR or Hogan vs POF?</span>
Robinson filed a suit against Magpul/Remington/Bushmaster saying the ACR copied the XCR. To me, the XCR looks a lot more like the ACR than the SCAR.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/01/18/robinson-arms-sues-remington-magpul-and-others/</div></div>
I was asked a question and then another, and I have replied accordingly. If you have an issue with it, you're free to excuse yourself from this topic.
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Well I did find this in case anyone was interested. This would explain my original question.
http://emptormaven.com/2010/04/robinson-armament-xcr-short-barreled-rifle/
Well I did find this in case anyone was interested. This would explain my original question.
http://emptormaven.com/2010/04/robinson-armament-xcr-short-barreled-rifle/
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I'm actually very interested in getting one of these. Here is an email I just got from them base on my inquire of price and such.
"The XCR-L is retailing for $1725 for the rifle with the new XCS/FAS stock plus any optional accessories you wanted to add. Pistols start at $1500. Rifles/pistols will ship ($25 per rifle) in 4-8 weeks with a manual, magazine (STANAG pattern, supplied by ASC) and hard case and usually ship in 4-6 weeks. Sights (+$190-$225), rail covers (+$36 for 3) and color coatings (+$150; Flat Dark Earth and OD Green available) are not included at this price. Conversion kits in all lengths can be had for $550 (barrel only: $350) and include the barrel, bolt, magazine and brass deflector for the chosen caliber(s). Barrels are chrome-lined and are available in 5.56 NATO, 5.45x39, 6.8 SPC and 7.62x39 with a light or heavy contour and lengths of 7.5" (Micro), 10" (Mini), 11", 12" 14.7", 16" and 18.6" (Standard). Kits and barrels are usually ready in 3 weeks or less and ship for $15. To process an order, please fill out and return the attached order form and both pages of the consumer agreement. We would also need your billing and contact information and, if you're not in Utah, your dealer's shipping address and a copy of their FFL (they can fax it to the number below or email it to this address). Payment is preferred in the form of check/money order via fax or email, but we also accept credit/debit cards for a 3% surcharge. Your payment will not be processed until your order is ready to be shipped. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know."
I'm actually very interested in getting one of these. Here is an email I just got from them base on my inquire of price and such.
"The XCR-L is retailing for $1725 for the rifle with the new XCS/FAS stock plus any optional accessories you wanted to add. Pistols start at $1500. Rifles/pistols will ship ($25 per rifle) in 4-8 weeks with a manual, magazine (STANAG pattern, supplied by ASC) and hard case and usually ship in 4-6 weeks. Sights (+$190-$225), rail covers (+$36 for 3) and color coatings (+$150; Flat Dark Earth and OD Green available) are not included at this price. Conversion kits in all lengths can be had for $550 (barrel only: $350) and include the barrel, bolt, magazine and brass deflector for the chosen caliber(s). Barrels are chrome-lined and are available in 5.56 NATO, 5.45x39, 6.8 SPC and 7.62x39 with a light or heavy contour and lengths of 7.5" (Micro), 10" (Mini), 11", 12" 14.7", 16" and 18.6" (Standard). Kits and barrels are usually ready in 3 weeks or less and ship for $15. To process an order, please fill out and return the attached order form and both pages of the consumer agreement. We would also need your billing and contact information and, if you're not in Utah, your dealer's shipping address and a copy of their FFL (they can fax it to the number below or email it to this address). Payment is preferred in the form of check/money order via fax or email, but we also accept credit/debit cards for a 3% surcharge. Your payment will not be processed until your order is ready to be shipped. If you have any questions, feel free to let me know."
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I kinda like the stock.
I might even get one for my XCR.
Could care less who sues who.
Robinson Arms is a messed up company but I still like my XCR.
YMMV
I kinda like the stock.
I might even get one for my XCR.
Could care less who sues who.
Robinson Arms is a messed up company but I still like my XCR.
YMMV
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Damn, some of you guys need to find a hobby away from the computer.......
Damn, some of you guys need to find a hobby away from the computer.......
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BiggerStick47</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn, some of you guys need to find a hobby away from the computer....... </div></div>
+1
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BiggerStick47</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Damn, some of you guys need to find a hobby away from the computer....... </div></div>
+1
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I was asked a question and then another, and I have replied accordingly. If you have an issue with it, you're free to excuse yourself from this topic. </div></div>
No, I think I'll stay , but thanks for your invitation.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I was asked a question and then another, and I have replied accordingly. If you have an issue with it, you're free to excuse yourself from this topic. </div></div>
No, I think I'll stay , but thanks for your invitation.
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Now I think I NEED an XCR Micro in 30-221.
7.5 inch folder looks like the perfect little
PDW/truck gun.
Now I think I NEED an XCR Micro in 30-221.
7.5 inch folder looks like the perfect little
PDW/truck gun.
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id say their close but not enough for me but i do like them all. i would lie to get any of the but $$ ill stick with the AR. i can build a piston AR with quality parts and the trimmings give 1200 give or take so that's 2 Ar's for the price of one of these decked out.. i don't think their that good and the xcr-l i looked at personal i like H&K's SLH-6 better.
id say their close but not enough for me but i do like them all. i would lie to get any of the but $$ ill stick with the AR. i can build a piston AR with quality parts and the trimmings give 1200 give or take so that's 2 Ar's for the price of one of these decked out.. i don't think their that good and the xcr-l i looked at personal i like H&K's SLH-6 better.
Re: New XCR-L and M SCAR rip off!
What makes anyone here believe that "they" (POF, FN, Hogan, or Freedom Group) aren't aware of this sort of stuff? I mean I get that people see stuff and are like "WOW that strangely looks like x company's weapon", but does anyone honestly think that legal teams and all do not already know of this stuff?
For those that don't know.. Freedom Group is the company that owns Remington, DPMS, Bushmaster and others. Freedom Group is owned by Cerberus. The start of this thread is almost like saying "Holy shit the R15 looks just like a camo version of Bushmasters rifles."
In the end.. unless you are an investor for one of the companies in question, who cares if someone has a similar design?
..OK.. Rant over... My 2cents is done.
What makes anyone here believe that "they" (POF, FN, Hogan, or Freedom Group) aren't aware of this sort of stuff? I mean I get that people see stuff and are like "WOW that strangely looks like x company's weapon", but does anyone honestly think that legal teams and all do not already know of this stuff?
For those that don't know.. Freedom Group is the company that owns Remington, DPMS, Bushmaster and others. Freedom Group is owned by Cerberus. The start of this thread is almost like saying "Holy shit the R15 looks just like a camo version of Bushmasters rifles."
In the end.. unless you are an investor for one of the companies in question, who cares if someone has a similar design?
..OK.. Rant over... My 2cents is done.
Re: New XCR-L and M SCAR rip off!
The Robinson was here long before the Scar or ACR as stated earlier. I have shot the Robinson and would take it over both of the other two. The ACR would have been great when it was Magpul, but when the other company that bought the rights tried to shave the bucks, it was shot. FN is tough to beat.
The Robinson was here long before the Scar or ACR as stated earlier. I have shot the Robinson and would take it over both of the other two. The ACR would have been great when it was Magpul, but when the other company that bought the rights tried to shave the bucks, it was shot. FN is tough to beat.
Re: New XCR-L and M SCAR rip off!
I had an XCR LONG before the SCAR and ACR even hit the shelves. With that being said, I would say that the new XCR stock certainly appears to have been influenced. Fact of the matter is that the ACR stock looks pretty appealing. I know a number of people were adapting ACR stocks to their XCR's.
I had an XCR LONG before the SCAR and ACR even hit the shelves. With that being said, I would say that the new XCR stock certainly appears to have been influenced. Fact of the matter is that the ACR stock looks pretty appealing. I know a number of people were adapting ACR stocks to their XCR's.
