Rifle Scopes NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
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Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
Its just kind of personal preference mostly, 3.5-15 to me, seems like about the perfect magnifaction for any type of shooting, I dont think the extra magnification is necessary, but it would be handy if you ever tried to stretch your legs in the future.
Its just kind of personal preference mostly, 3.5-15 to me, seems like about the perfect magnifaction for any type of shooting, I dont think the extra magnification is necessary, but it would be handy if you ever tried to stretch your legs in the future.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its just kind of personal preference mostly, 3.5-15 to me, seems like about the perfect magnifaction for any type of shooting, I dont think the extra magnification is necessary, but it would be handy if you ever tried to stretch your legs in the future. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its just kind of personal preference mostly, 3.5-15 to me, seems like about the perfect magnifaction for any type of shooting, I dont think the extra magnification is necessary, but it would be handy if you ever tried to stretch your legs in the future. </div></div>
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Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
Well, if you already have 2 22x's and like them then get a 3rd. There's no law that states you can't have a 20X on top of an AR308. My sass build wears an IOR 3-18 and it is a perfect match.
Well, if you already have 2 22x's and like them then get a 3rd. There's no law that states you can't have a 20X on top of an AR308. My sass build wears an IOR 3-18 and it is a perfect match.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, if you already have 2 22x's and like them then get a 3rd. There's no law that states you can't have a 20X on top of an AR308. My sass build wears an IOR 3-18 and it is a perfect match.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, if you already have 2 22x's and like them then get a 3rd. There's no law that states you can't have a 20X on top of an AR308. My sass build wears an IOR 3-18 and it is a perfect match.</div></div>
Will one be better suited if using night vision such as a pvs24 . I believe that's the #.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, if you already have 2 22x's and like them then get a 3rd. There's no law that states you can't have a 20X on top of an AR308. My sass build wears an IOR 3-18 and it is a perfect match.</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, if you already have 2 22x's and like them then get a 3rd. There's no law that states you can't have a 20X on top of an AR308. My sass build wears an IOR 3-18 and it is a perfect match.</div></div>
Will one be better suited if using night vision such as a pvs24 . I believe that's the #.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
3.5-15x NF F1 MLR2, torsos are at 1500 yards in pic below. How far do you plan to shoot it, or better question is what size targets?
3.5-15x NF F1 MLR2, torsos are at 1500 yards in pic below. How far do you plan to shoot it, or better question is what size targets?
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
If you need to spend time on the glass identifying targets 22x is nice to have. But that's only if you dial both windage and elevation for a single shot, engaging one target at a time, instead of multiple targets at multiple distances.
If you need to spend time on the glass identifying targets 22x is nice to have. But that's only if you dial both windage and elevation for a single shot, engaging one target at a time, instead of multiple targets at multiple distances.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its just kind of personal preference mostly, 3.5-15 to me, seems like about the perfect magnifaction for any type of shooting</div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YN*Dotte</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Its just kind of personal preference mostly, 3.5-15 to me, seems like about the perfect magnifaction for any type of shooting</div></div>
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Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
Just finished reading the Marine Sniper 93 conf. kills wrote by Charles Henderson. In the last few chapters Carlos Hathcock was using an 8x Unertl which he said was a mid range scope for 300-800 yard engagements. Just thinking that a 10x has been used for ever in fights out to 1000+yards, why would you want more than that with a short AR-10. I think and I know it means nothing but you would be alot happier with say a 2.5x10x32 NightForce. Now I am building a 300winmag this year and without a doubt I am going with a 5x20 in a Vortex Razor HD and believe I wont at all be over scoped for this rifle or cartriage. Just make sure your happy in the end.
Just finished reading the Marine Sniper 93 conf. kills wrote by Charles Henderson. In the last few chapters Carlos Hathcock was using an 8x Unertl which he said was a mid range scope for 300-800 yard engagements. Just thinking that a 10x has been used for ever in fights out to 1000+yards, why would you want more than that with a short AR-10. I think and I know it means nothing but you would be alot happier with say a 2.5x10x32 NightForce. Now I am building a 300winmag this year and without a doubt I am going with a 5x20 in a Vortex Razor HD and believe I wont at all be over scoped for this rifle or cartriage. Just make sure your happy in the end.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
I try to prescribe to the 1.5 x range= ideal magnification. That is of course- for me. So for 1000m, I'd like 15x.
I'm not a fan of "over scoping" a rifle- I don't shoot bench rest 1/4moa bull's at 10,000m and I'm not looking for a telescope. Now your application may be different... maybe you do shoot a lot of 1000 yard bench rest type stuff where you want even single bit of clear magnification available despite size, weight and FOV. But if that's the case, I doubt you'd be asking.
I try to prescribe to the 1.5 x range= ideal magnification. That is of course- for me. So for 1000m, I'd like 15x.
I'm not a fan of "over scoping" a rifle- I don't shoot bench rest 1/4moa bull's at 10,000m and I'm not looking for a telescope. Now your application may be different... maybe you do shoot a lot of 1000 yard bench rest type stuff where you want even single bit of clear magnification available despite size, weight and FOV. But if that's the case, I doubt you'd be asking.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USW.260</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just finished reading the Marine Sniper 93 conf. kills wrote by Charles Henderson. In the last few chapters Carlos Hathcock was using an 8x Unertl which he said was a mid range scope for 300-800 yard engagements. Just thinking that a 10x has been used for ever in fights out to 1000+yards, why would you want more than that with a short AR-10. I think and I know it means nothing but you would be alot happier with say a 2.5x10x32 NightForce. Now I am building a 300winmag this year and without a doubt I am going with a 5x20 in a Vortex Razor HD and believe I wont at all be over scoped for this rifle or cartriage. Just make sure your happy in the end.</div></div> The Marines took Guadalcanal with M1903's, why would you want more than that in a battle... Because you can, that's why and it's the 21st century. Not everyone is shooting for minute of man accuracy. Some like more.
I also feel the 3.5-15x is a perfect fit for a .308 SASS rifle, but I also feel that for the best application of a gas gun for rapid shots at multiple ranges you should consider going with a FFP scope. That way you can vary your magnification range but still easily and accurately use mil/moa holds. Your application of your rifle will dictate what will be best.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: USW.260</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just finished reading the Marine Sniper 93 conf. kills wrote by Charles Henderson. In the last few chapters Carlos Hathcock was using an 8x Unertl which he said was a mid range scope for 300-800 yard engagements. Just thinking that a 10x has been used for ever in fights out to 1000+yards, why would you want more than that with a short AR-10. I think and I know it means nothing but you would be alot happier with say a 2.5x10x32 NightForce. Now I am building a 300winmag this year and without a doubt I am going with a 5x20 in a Vortex Razor HD and believe I wont at all be over scoped for this rifle or cartriage. Just make sure your happy in the end.</div></div> The Marines took Guadalcanal with M1903's, why would you want more than that in a battle... Because you can, that's why and it's the 21st century. Not everyone is shooting for minute of man accuracy. Some like more.
I also feel the 3.5-15x is a perfect fit for a .308 SASS rifle, but I also feel that for the best application of a gas gun for rapid shots at multiple ranges you should consider going with a FFP scope. That way you can vary your magnification range but still easily and accurately use mil/moa holds. Your application of your rifle will dictate what will be best.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Storm Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3.5-15x NF F1 MLR2, torsos are at 1500 yards in pic below. How far do you plan to shoot it, or better question is what size targets?
</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Storm Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3.5-15x NF F1 MLR2, torsos are at 1500 yards in pic below. How far do you plan to shoot it, or better question is what size targets?
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This answers my question. Thanks for the input.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Storm Tactical</div><div class="ubbcode-body">3.5-15x NF F1 MLR2, torsos are at 1500 yards in pic below. How far do you plan to shoot it, or better question is what size targets?
This answers my question. Thanks for the input.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Marines took Guadalcanal with M1903's, why would you want more than that in a battle...</div></div>
Yeah, whenever I read those "blah blah made it work with a ____ in Korea/WW2/Gettysburg and never asked for more" I want to reach through the screen and slap them. This isn't WW2 and you aren't some poor farmboy like my grandfather was, drafted to fight Jap zerg rushes; you are a nerd who likes guns, and you can put a 20X Nightforce/USO/IOR/Razor on your rifle if you want to. Just don't tell your wife it cost 2k
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Redmanss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Marines took Guadalcanal with M1903's, why would you want more than that in a battle...</div></div>
Yeah, whenever I read those "blah blah made it work with a ____ in Korea/WW2/Gettysburg and never asked for more" I want to reach through the screen and slap them. This isn't WW2 and you aren't some poor farmboy like my grandfather was, drafted to fight Jap zerg rushes; you are a nerd who likes guns, and you can put a 20X Nightforce/USO/IOR/Razor on your rifle if you want to. Just don't tell your wife it cost 2k
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Elohim1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This answers my question. Thanks for the input. </div></div>
If you can afford one of the newer nightforce FFP's I would go for it. I really don't see how someone could go wrong with one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Elohim1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This answers my question. Thanks for the input. </div></div>
If you can afford one of the newer nightforce FFP's I would go for it. I really don't see how someone could go wrong with one.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Elohim1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This answers my question. Thanks for the input. </div></div>
If you can afford one of the newer nightforce FFP's I would go for it. I really don't see how someone could go wrong with one.</div></div>
what is the benefit of the FFP ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Elohim1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
This answers my question. Thanks for the input. </div></div>
If you can afford one of the newer nightforce FFP's I would go for it. I really don't see how someone could go wrong with one.</div></div>
what is the benefit of the FFP ?
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
There is no hard and fast rule that says that a particular caliber rifle has to have a certain power scope on it. Only you can say what you need. If all you are concerned about is hitting a man sized target, you'd be surprised at what you can do with a 10X. If you want to do some precision shooting, you may need the magnification. If you already have 22Xs, I'd say go for another.
Really, the bottom end on the 15X is 3.5X. The bottom end on the 22X is 5.5X. If you spend most of your time shooting at 100 yards or under, it might matter. If you spend most of your time shooting at beyond 100 or 150 yards, it doesn't matter much. If your concern is ranging and you think that 22X is too much, ranging on 11X isn't too much harder. I'd go for the extra power, if precision is what you want.
There is no hard and fast rule that says that a particular caliber rifle has to have a certain power scope on it. Only you can say what you need. If all you are concerned about is hitting a man sized target, you'd be surprised at what you can do with a 10X. If you want to do some precision shooting, you may need the magnification. If you already have 22Xs, I'd say go for another.
Really, the bottom end on the 15X is 3.5X. The bottom end on the 22X is 5.5X. If you spend most of your time shooting at 100 yards or under, it might matter. If you spend most of your time shooting at beyond 100 or 150 yards, it doesn't matter much. If your concern is ranging and you think that 22X is too much, ranging on 11X isn't too much harder. I'd go for the extra power, if precision is what you want.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Elohim1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
what is the benefit of the FFP ?
</div></div> Long story short, with FFP your reticle is always at the same scale at any magnification power. One mil is always one mil, so you can range or use accurate holds regardless of what magnification setting your scope is on. This increases the versatility and simplicity of using the scope.
With a SFP scope, you must be at a specific magnification setting for your mil/moa scale reticle to be accurate, typically at maximum power.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Elohim1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
what is the benefit of the FFP ?
</div></div> Long story short, with FFP your reticle is always at the same scale at any magnification power. One mil is always one mil, so you can range or use accurate holds regardless of what magnification setting your scope is on. This increases the versatility and simplicity of using the scope.
With a SFP scope, you must be at a specific magnification setting for your mil/moa scale reticle to be accurate, typically at maximum power.
Re: NF 15 or 22 power for an AR10 SASS ?
Just put a USO 3.2-17x T-Pal on my JP LRP-07 and it's perfect for a 308 gas gun. My bolt gun on the other hand is chambered in 338 Lapua and has a 8-32X NF and that's perfect for that gun. My point is that the type of gun and caliber will most of the time dictate the scope choice.
Just put a USO 3.2-17x T-Pal on my JP LRP-07 and it's perfect for a 308 gas gun. My bolt gun on the other hand is chambered in 338 Lapua and has a 8-32X NF and that's perfect for that gun. My point is that the type of gun and caliber will most of the time dictate the scope choice.
