Suppressors NFA trust

[redrum007]

Does anyone have any NFA toys through a trust. I have heard that it can be done, but am wondering about the pros and cons.

 

[KYS]

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Seriously?

Do a search man. This is well discussed on many levels.


Your best source for class 3 info is here:
silencertalk.com

 

[CleanMoostang]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seriously?

Do a search man. This is well discussed on many levels.


Your best source for class 3 info is here:
silencertalk.com </div></div>

KYS338 helped me out a lot in a thread of mine in this section, just go through the pages and your sure to find anything you need to know on this site, I sure have.

 

[Jimmym40a2]

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Yes its easy to do. You can also join NFAtalk.com its free and there is a great section on how to do it

 

[The_end]

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I do just to save time. You don't need your local LEO to sign off on it and the Form 4 goes through faster than a personal.

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_end</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do just to save time. You don't need your local LEO to sign off on it and the <span style="color: #FF0000">Form 4 goes through faster than a personal</span>. </div></div>

That's not true at all..... I've seen personal F4's go thru in a 3-7 weeks and my trusts takes a minimum of 2 months. It's all about your examiner and their workload.

 

[redrum007]

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Thanks for the info, I did do a search but I obviously didn't put in enough information...my bad.

 

[AXEMAN]

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here

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=209403#Post209403

 

[black_ump]

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tell me this: when doing a trust for SBR how does the engraving work ? trust name "joes living trust" then city and state or

"joe dirt" "buffalo, NY" what needs engraved ?

 

[patches]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_end</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do just to save time. You don't need your local LEO to sign off on it and the <span style="color: #FF0000">Form 4 goes through faster than a personal</span>. </div></div>

That's not true at all..... I've seen personal F4's go thru in a 3-7 weeks and my trusts takes a minimum of 2 months. It's all about your examiner and their workload. </div></div>

KY is 100% correct on this one.

 

[TheGoodDoctor]

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Trust or LLC is DEFINITELY the way to go.

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tell me this: when doing a trust for SBR how does the engraving work ? trust name "joes living trust" then city and state or

"joe dirt" "buffalo, NY" what needs engraved ? </div></div>

Your trust name: Example

Jim John Williams Revocable Living Trust
Athens, GA

For an individual: example

Tony Atlas - Phoenix, Arizona

 

[black_ump]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tell me this: when doing a trust for SBR how does the engraving work ? trust name "joes living trust" then city and state or

"joe dirt" "buffalo, NY" what needs engraved ? </div></div>

Your trust name: Example

Jim John Williams Revocable Living Trust
Athens, GA

For an individual: example

Tony Atlas - Phoenix, Arizona </div></div>


thanks dude

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tell me this: when doing a trust for SBR how does the engraving work ? trust name "joes living trust" then city and state or

"joe dirt" "buffalo, NY" what needs engraved ? </div></div>

Your trust name: Example

Jim John Williams Revocable Living Trust
Athens, GA

For an individual: example

Tony Atlas - Phoenix, Arizona </div></div>


thanks dude </div></div>

Check ATF website. The lettering has to be a certain height and depth when engraved into the receiver. Not sure on exact specs, but there are some that have to be followed. And from what I have seen and touched, laser engraving is the way to go.

 

[The_end]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_end</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do just to save time. You don't need your local LEO to sign off on it and the <span style="color: #FF0000">Form 4 goes through faster than a personal</span>. </div></div>

That's not true at all..... I've seen personal F4's go thru in a 3-7 weeks and my trusts takes a minimum of 2 months. It's all about your examiner and their workload. </div></div>

It's been about 4 years since I bought anything NFA but the last one I submitted took 6 weeks while my friends personal took 9. I've never heard anything about a two month minimum.

 

[The_end]

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I should add that the biggest time saving feature I was speaking of is skipping the CLEO signature. Granted that can very from location to location, but the CLEO of the area I was living in on my last Form 1 and 4 applications took his time signing off on anything submitted. The rumor was that he didn't personally approve of NFA items being owned by civilians. They were 100% legal in that state so his "get back" was to sit on the paperwork for a month or two before signing it.

 

[300WSM]

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what a tard

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_end</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The_end</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I do just to save time. You don't need your local LEO to sign off on it and the <span style="color: #FF0000">Form 4 goes through faster than a personal</span>. </div></div>

That's not true at all..... I've seen personal F4's go thru in a 3-7 weeks and my trusts takes a minimum of 2 months. It's all about your examiner and their workload. </div></div>

It's been about 4 years since I bought anything NFA but the last one I submitted took 6 weeks while my friends personal took 9. I've never heard anything about a two month minimum. </div></div>

Read a little more in depth. I said MY trust paperwork takes about 2 months minimum. Not everyones trust paperwork...... MINE. But the days of 4-7 week transfers is gone for the most part. I haven't had that happen in years.

 

[Witch_Doctor]

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You can use common abbreviations for your SBR, such as:

John Q Citizen Revocable Living Trust
Jacksonville, FL

or

JQ Citizen RLT
JAX, FL

I personally went the route of a registered lower from BCM, no engraving.

 

[johngfoster]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can use common abbreviations for your SBR, such as:

John Q Citizen Revocable Living Trust
Jacksonville, FL

or

JQ Citizen RLT
JAX, FL

I personally went the route of a registered lower from BCM, no engraving. </div></div>

I'm interested in the responses to this one. I've heard, maybe incorrectly, that you CAN'T use these abbreviations when engraving. If you can, it would make a significant difference to me.

 

[Witch_Doctor]

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Remember the key being standardized and accepted abbreviations. I should have clarified that in the earlier post. Admittedly JAX is an unusually short abbreviation, and may be one of the few like that.

 

[KYS]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Witch Doctor</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can use common abbreviations for your SBR, such as:

John Q Citizen Revocable Living Trust
Jacksonville, FL

or

JQ Citizen RLT
JAX, FL

I personally went the route of a registered lower from BCM, no engraving. </div></div>

Ive been told by several at the NFA Branch that you are not to abbreviate anything, it must appear on the receiver as it does your paperwork.

So if your trust name is: "Elephant Zebras Revocable Living Trust"
It cannot read: "E.Z. RLT" or whatever combo you can come up with. Why you ask? Someone else in the country might have a trust named EZ Revocable Living Trust.

Engrave it the way your paperwork states its named.

 

[Witch_Doctor]

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Remember this ask 10 of them at the BATF&E and you'll get 10 different answers. Ambiguity is a government standard, it needs to be written. See below, it is directly from the U.S.C.

<span style="font-style: italic">By engraving, casting, stamping (impressing), or otherwise conspicuously placing or causing to be engraved, cast, stamped (impressed), or placed on the frame, receiver, or barrel thereof certain additional information. This information must be placed in a manner not susceptible of being readily obliterated, altered or removed. For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch. The additional information includes:
(i) The model, if such designation has been made;
(ii) The caliber or gauge;
(iii) Your name (<span style="color: #FF0000">or recognized abbreviation</span>) and also, when
applicable, the name of the foreign manufacturer or maker;
(iv) In the case of a domestically made firearm, the city and State
(<span style="color: #FF0000">or recognized abbreviation thereof</span>) where you as the manufacturer maintain your place of business, or where you, as the maker, made the firearm; and (v) In the case of an imported firearm, the name of the country in which it was manufactured and the city and State (<span style="color: #FF0000">or recognized abbreviation thereof</span>) where you as the importer maintain your place of business. For additional requirements relating to imported firearms, see Customs regulations at 19 CFR part 134.
(b) The depth of all markings required by this section will be
measured from the flat surface of the metal and not the peaks or ridges. The height of serial numbers required by paragraph (a)(1) of this section will be measured as the distance between the latitudinal ends of the character impression bottoms (bases).</span>

I personally have an attorney for these types of questions, and firearms manufacturing is his niche. That being said, due your own due dilligence, the internet is like assholes, averyone has one.

 

[KYS]

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Rob Howard is the big cheese in that office. I would take his advice over getting in trouble any day.


Your saying everyone has an asshole? That is true.... not sure where your going with that.

 

[Witch_Doctor]

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just saying there are as many opinions as there are internet connections, not insinuating anything towards you. The fact that it clearly states in the letter of the law that you can abbreviate seems pretty self explanatory though.

 

[KYS]

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While it might say that.... I'm going with what the supervisor of the NFA branch tells me. They written law can be interpreted many different ways.

 

[cookietheswede]

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When you have your trust notarized does it have to be stamped? Our accountant at work can notarize stuff but she doesn't have a stamp.

 

[KYS]

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Yes, needs to be stamped. Preferably an ink stamp as the raised stamps do not show up well when you make copies of the paperwork to send in.