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North Korea Shelling South Korea - Now

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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6AM0W920101123



SEOUL | Tue Nov 23, 2010 1:37am EST

SEOUL (Reuters) - Several South Korean civilians and soldiers were wounded and many others were being evacuated to bunkers on an island hit by dozens of artillery shells fired by North Korea on Tuesday, a Seoul television reported.

YTN cable news channel also quoted an witness as saying power failure was reported on Yeonpyeong island near the border with the North after the firing, while pictures from the channel showed at least four plumes of smoke on the island.
 
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Thats just great, maybe that'll flair up enough that I'll get deployed there instead of Iraq again and actually be able to do my job, returning the love Kim ill jong whats his name just sent.
 
#4
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i knew it be a matter time before the shit hit the fan.
looks like a Draft in the works,or put fkn Charlie Manson in his cronnies out in the front lines.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Steven Dzupin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Time for counter battery fire !</div></div>
In the form of "carpet bombing with Daisy Cutters", maybe? Start with the gov't, and work outwards with a "ripple" effect.

Considering the area, one can even call it the "pebbled pond" effect, for a deeper, area-specific, more socially acceptable connotation.
 
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Having been a 19D in forward position with the 7th ID I have to say that if there is a full scale war in that terrain and weather it will be absolute hell to fight.
 
#11
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At this point - much ado.....


Things to remember

- Saber rattling has historically resulted in cash and prizes for NK

- NK has 2,000 shiny new (convertible to HEU) centrifuges and they would like to get the focus off their nuclear endeavors.

- Il is gonna hand the mantle off to Un, and he needs to show the boy how Kabuki theater works

- China is up / Barry and crew are gonna look to let this slide any way possible.

- It was a good move by Il - I give him credit.






Good luck
 
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I don't see the US or Korea doing shit, except as mentioned, they'll get a bribe..........reward is more like it.

Why do I get the idea that if someone was to shell the US Soil, in our present enviorment, we'd go to the UN and try to get the act condemned. Maybe pay them to be nice.
 
#13
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NK isn't trying to get the focus off their reactors, THEY showed them to us in the first place. They ARE however sabre ratteling. Probably sunk that SK destroyer earlier this year and now this and the nuke show... MoZamBeek has it right, KJI is getting ready to hand over power to his youngest son, so he has to do stuff like this (in his sons name) to gain support for his son. Much ado...
 
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Well at least China weighed in with a hard-handed, "Now both you kids need to get along." They can pull the air hose on this d-bag anytime they want, but it serves them to use NK to keep sticking a finger in the West's eye. Very Chinese of them.
 
#15
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That crazy ass just wants to be in the history books. Same as Chaves and that wack job in Iran. Chaves wishes he was Castro and the others want to be infamously recorded into history.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: threefeathers</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having been a 19D in forward position with the 7th ID I have to say that if there is a full scale war in that terrain and weather it will be absolute hell to fight. </div></div>

According to my Grandfather it was God rest his soul. He told me some hellish stories of Korea. I know that there are fewer places I have been that is colder than Korea in the winter. I do not miss my time on the DMZ.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Kinda shines a new light on the missle launch that turned out to be an airliner that may turn out to be a missle launch......... </div></div>

That would be the one where the FAA said there were no planes at that time
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wonder now, if we should have nuked NK the first time we were there?!</div></div>if Gen.Patton were still alive,he would agree as well.LOL
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The U.N., true to form... </div></div>


Is a "PR campaign" the right kind of campaign in this situation????
 
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The only thing the u/n has done from the Korean war on is saved the world from the true rath of the United States.

I Pre/Dick (spelled properly) a major shift sooner that later in this nations will and the Dogs of this country will again stalk back allys and change other folks policy's,... one person at a time.
The only time our true ability and tenacity was ever tested was in 1775 and WW II. Those that think China, Russia, and Ragheads now have upper hands have never dealt with Americans turned loose to win a war, or change others nations policy's w/o restraints.

This is a nation of caged up beasts that when pushed over the edge will,...teach.

 
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<span style="font-style: italic">-- launch a new public relations campaign with aid-giving countries to rekindle their enthusiasm for giving money to North Korea, including “donor briefings,” “targeted visits” to aid-giving capitals, and sponsorship of an aid-giving “donors tour” of North Korea next year.</span>

I wonder how that's gonna work out for them
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NK is a well trained dog...bark and bite a few folks and you get rewarded with a steak dinner.

By the way, Fox just reported that we are sending the USS George Washington carrier group to the region.

...probably so we can "strenuously object" to their actions. We might even bang a shoe on a table if things get real bad.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing the u/n has done from the Korean war on is saved the world from the true rath of the United States.

I Pre/Dick (spelled properly) a major shift sooner that later in this nations will and the Dogs of this country will again stalk back allys and change other folks policy's,... one person at a time.
The only time our true ability and tenacity was ever tested was in 1775 and WW II. Those that think China, Russia, and Ragheads now have upper hands have never dealt with Americans turned loose to win a war, or change others nations policy's w/o restraints.

This is a nation of caged up beasts that when pushed over the edge will,...teach.

</div></div>

I second all that you have siad here, Gunfighter.

In my opinion, it's not a matter of "if," it's just a matter of "when."
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2 Korean Marines were killed. The South responded with a heavier hand and more than likely killed many more than the North did. Will this be the last of it? No. There will be more little skirmishes like this unless someone just takes ...jong il and 'knocks his head cleeeeeaaaan off' </div></div>

According to this story there was 170 rounds incoming and only 80 outgoing.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2010/11/205_76976.html

Which may have led to the resignation of Defense Minister Kim Tae-young.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/26/world/asia/26korea.html?_r=1&ref=global-home
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phil1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">According to this story there was 170 rounds incoming and only 80 outgoing.</div></div>

In rds per body count the NKPA is just about the very bottom of every list.

When china is calling an throwing for them, it's a different out come. To worry about the north's ability to land anything like a TOT w/o china's help is laughable.

They sent some of their best to teach/train/learn on the trails leading into an out of V/N. They did learn one thing, when Americans are turned loose past some line on a map, the only thing they needed training in was knowing when to stop running, because dying tired, really sucks.
 
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IMHO, The UN began with the laudable premise of bringing the civilized nations together to defeat Fascism and its allies.

Once that task was done, so was its basis; because it was structured to put the clout into the hands of the major powers, who fell out from their wartime alliance even before the war was over. The resulting major powers' impasse and infighting transformed the major powers into mendicants, pandering to the lesser nations seeking support for one side or the other.

The major powers basically empowered the piss-ants of society with the role of mice belling the cats. The UN system has never worked. It has consumed treasure, lives, and commitment wantonly; trying to disprove the idea that world powers can and should exercise their power in their own interests.

For the major powers, cooperation with the UN has become equivalent with the exercise of self defeatism. The major powers cannot succeed, because they are constitutionally denied the right to succeed. The playing field was intended to be level, but in fact it never was, and never will be. The Soviets proved this unceasingly for practically the entire latter half of the 20th century, manipulating the UN to perfect its true role, that of obstructionism.

I say, stop funding our own worst enemy, and send them packing.

Sometimes even the great nations have to admit that their most cherished offspring are flawed and hopeless; and consign them to isolation in institutions that limit their harm to themselves and to society as a whole.

Greg
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I say, stop funding our own worst enemy, and send them packing.

Sometimes even the great nations have to admit that their most cherished offspring are flawed and hopeless; and consign them to isolation in institutions that limit their harm to themselves and to society as a whole.

Greg </div></div>

This is what China needs to recognize. because China is North Korea's only supporter and friend.China wants stability and is worried about a North Korea meltdown.

"WHEN North Korea’s leader, Kim Jong Il, and his son and newly anointed heir, Kim Jong Un, stepped onto a balcony to watch a display of dancing and fireworks on October 10th, the audience in the square below applauded politely. But as loudspeakers blared recorded cries of “long life, long life”, many did not join in. The Kim dynasty has fixed its succession but its propaganda grip is weakening. ...

Another message the authorities apparently hoped to send was that Kim Jong Un will have others to guide him. Military expertise will be provided by Ri Yong Ho, North Korea’s chief of staff, who for much of the parade stood between the two Kims. Kim Jong Il’s brother-in-law, Chang Sung Taek, and sister Kim Kyong Hui will also be crucial figures. The state media said they had joined Kim Jong Un on his recent excursions. The conspicuous presence of a senior member of China’s ruling Politburo, Zhou Yongkang, at the October 10th events was designed to show Chinese support for these arrangements. Kim Jong Il encouraged him to wave from the balcony. ...

The city seems to have largely recovered from last November’s revaluation of the won, which permitted only limited amounts of old bills to be exchanged for new ones. From January until mid-February, when the authorities relented and re-allowed transactions in hard currency, commerce almost ground to a halt. It became nearly impossible to buy food except at great expense on the black market. Inflation soared. “When in Rome, do as the Romanians do,” one official assigned to mind foreign journalists kept telling them, oddly. The Kims, mindful of the grisly end of Romania’s Nicolae Ceausescu in 1989, will try to ensure that disgruntled North Koreans do no such thing. "

Excerpts from:
http://www.economist.com/research/articl...ory_id=17259065
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The UN system has never worked. It has consumed treasure, lives, and commitment wantonly; trying to disprove the idea that world powers can and should exercise their power in their own interests.</div></div>

And worse than that, in many cases they have become a force of evil. Thugs in blue helmets raping and exploiting refugees in their camps is not an uncommon occurrence. To those of us old enough to remember the John Birch Society work and the fear of the development of a New World Order, the blue cap has represented something to resist at all costs. The move to reorganize the globe into Biosphere Reserves gave further evidence of sovereign encroachment. To the younger generation, the UN represents a powerless International fraternal order that talks alot without meaningful action. To those of us with gray in our beards, it represents something entirely different.
 
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Think a bout it like this, you are isolated, you want more - you ratchet it up as you have nothing to lose.

Now when he goes to talks he has more to offer - "We will offer a security agreement in exchange for free food and oil".

And we'll be dumb enough to do it.
 
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You are correct on this statement.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Think a bout it like this, you are isolated, you want more - you ratchet it up as you have nothing to lose.

Now when he goes to talks he has more to offer - "We will offer a security agreement in exchange for free food and oil".

And we'll be dumb enough to do it.</div></div>
 
#39
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We need to watch Barry on this one. What better way to trash the U.S. dollar than go in after N. Korea when China says not to? If you piss off China bad enough, they have us by the balls financially. As far as someone mentioning the draft, that would be political suicide and you know they ain't gonna do that.
 
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If the top dogs in North Korea were taken out of the equation, South Korea would be more than happy to go in and smoke out the rest of the troublemakers. What needs to be remembered is the people of Korea, North and South are not at war. Both sides have family and friends they haven't seen in God knows how long. Retarded leadership and a good dose of brainwashing have turned some against each other, but they aren't sworn enemies by no means. I say SOMEONE, it doesn't really matter who, "downsizes" North Korea's leadership and let South Korea do its thing, let it default back to being Korea, and FINALLY end this conflict once and for all. South Korea is more than capable of handling things after that, and they will bring stability to an area that has been shit on and pushed around for far too long.

Kelly
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kbrady</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the top dogs in North Korea were taken out of the equation, South Korea would be more than happy to go in and smoke out the rest of the troublemakers. What needs to be remembered is the people of Korea, North and South are not at war. Both sides have family and friends they haven't seen in God knows how long. Retarded leadership and a good dose of brainwashing have turned some against each other, but they aren't sworn enemies by no means. I say SOMEONE, it doesn't really matter who, "downsizes" North Korea's leadership and let South Korea do its thing, let it default back to being Korea, and FINALLY end this conflict once and for all. South Korea is more than capable of handling things after that, and they will bring stability to an area that has been shit on and pushed around for far too long.

Kelly </div></div>

The only problem with that is you basically have one of the most technologically advanced nations and one of the most wackwards nations on the planet in this scenario, there is basically no infrastructure or real jobs in the north, its for the most part an agrarian society.

Do you really think the south wants to reunite with the north? Think how utterly expensive it would be, all the millions of out of work north koreans all of sudden relying on the southern government, add in having the update and build the infrastructure. It would bankrupt the south I think. It would basically be the issues that Germany faced when they reunited, only on an epic scale.
 
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Yeah, I was working with the S. Korean military in 06 and they said essentially what Rero did. They WANT to reunite, but they can't force it because it would destroy them to absorb the North. What the S.Koreans want to see is a new government take over in N.Korea that will build the country up economically so that reunification can be realized in 20 or more years when it wouldn't destroy both countries.
 
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It doesn't have to happen overnight, it would have to be a process. A couple of decades worth of work would be enough to get a government set up that would benefit both sides, and not put too much pressure and strain on South Korea. It would be a Win-Win for both sides. I seriously doubt we'll ever see it go down like that though, unfortunately.

And yes, you can look at the situation like Rero when he said the south couldn't foot the bill for the north......but, I could see the South "investing" and building up Northern Korea and making it just fine. Like I said, it won't happen overnight and they are in my opinion capable of making it happen.

Look what the southern region has done with what they have, and with North Korea causing problems and breathing down their necks this entire time. If you cut the large set of roses on top of a rosebush off, the rest of the bush will flourish.....that's just how it is.

Kelly
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gunfighter14e2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only thing the u/n has done from the Korean war on is saved the world from the true rath of the United States.

I Pre/Dick (spelled properly) a major shift sooner that later in this nations will and the Dogs of this country will again stalk back allys and change other folks policy's,... one person at a time.
The only time our true ability and tenacity was ever tested was in 1775 and WW II. Those that think China, Russia, and Ragheads now have upper hands have never dealt with Americans turned loose to win a war, or change others nations policy's w/o restraints.

This is a nation of caged up beasts that when pushed over the edge will,...teach.

</div></div>
plus 1..
 
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"Chinese officials increasingly doubt the usefulness of neighbouring North Korea as an ally and would support the reunification of the peninsula if the communist state were to collapse, according to leaked US diplomatic cables.

The latest documents released by the whistleblowing website WikiLeaks on Tuesday detail conversations between US officials and Chinese diplomats, as well as a senior South Korean official's discussion with his Chinese counterparts.

Cheng Guoping, the Chinese ambassador to Kazakhstan, was reported to have told Richard Hoagland, the US ambassador, that "China hopes for peaceful reunification in the long-term, but he expects the two countries to remain separate in the short-term"."

FROM
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2010/11/2010113034727624560.html
 
#47
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Some reading suggests that China is finally recognizing that it has little control, and little influence, over the NK loose cannons. Conjecture suggests that they are giving up on the NK leadership.

NK has been largely dependent on China's military, economic, and diplomatic support.

China is now considering what a reunited, South Korea-dominated peninsula would involve in their regard, and they would appear to be growing receptive to the idea.

One thing it's already understood is that such a Korea would not be tolerated by China with American forces moving anywhere North of the current DMZ.

While I'm not much in favor of twisting China's nose, I'd also be less than receptive of such dictates on their part.

Interesting propositions, though...

Greg
 
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