but the question with kel-tec is can you actually buy it?
They claim to make lots of things no one can find for years and years after they announce it.
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They claim to make lots of things no one can find for years and years after they announce it.
Keltec is a crap rifle but whatever flips your lid.
Anyone running a custom 300 RUM conversion, and if so how long and do the 338 mags work?
That was funny! How about High Point? LolKeltec is a crap rifle but whatever flips your lid.
RUM cases don't fit in the mag. They can be "made to work" but it's not native.
The RUM case is too long at the shoulder.
Yep, rather quickly
here's some quick gun porn.
I LOVE my custom built 300 RUM, it shoots lights out. At 3225 fps with a 208 AMAX out of a 32" tube it has incredible ballistics and shoots like a dream. But it's also 53.5" long and requires a special case for transport (the new supersize Starlight is GREAT - but also $350).
The SRS in .308 WITH a TBAC 338 suppressor, by comparison, is 42.5" long.
So if I had a 32" 300 RUM barrel spun up for the SRS, I could get a shorter OAL WITH suppressor. And of course without suppressor, I'd be well under the length of a standard case.
Note also how high I have to have the McMillan A5 adjustable comb raised to get the same cheek weld as I get on the DTA - I'm convinced that the solid cheek weld of these rifles is a significant part of why shooters get so good accuracy from them.
This is one of those things that makes the DTAs so so nice. Not to mention several others.
I LOVE my custom built 300 RUM, it shoots lights out. At 3225 fps with a 208 AMAX out of a 32" tube it has incredible ballistics and shoots like a dream. But it's also 53.5" long and requires a special case for transport (the new supersize Starlight is GREAT - but also $350).
The SRS in .308 WITH a TBAC 338 suppressor, by comparison, is 42.5" long.
So if I had a 32" 300 RUM barrel spun up for the SRS, I could get a shorter OAL WITH suppressor. And of course without suppressor, I'd be well under the length of a standard case.
Note also how high I have to have the McMillan A5 adjustable comb raised to get the same cheek weld as I get on the DTA - I'm convinced that the solid cheek weld of these rifles is a significant part of why shooters get so good accuracy from them.
This is one of those things that makes the DTAs so so nice. Not to mention several others.
Is it covered under warranty? my gun is 2 weeks old!
I would PM Orkan he'll know
Outstanding story! I'm glad the 7LRM barrel is working good for you. I expected nothing less, as we consistently see the TS Customs barrels producing ridiculously tiny groups and amazing performance at distance. You owe me a picture of that bull!!!! If it's a picture with your rifle in the frame, it might be worth something to you.
How does the 7 LRM feed from the magnum magazines? I imagine it works pretty well, better than the SAUM?
That will be covered under the warranty. Let me know if you need any help getting it done.
For what it's worth. I have a Gen 2 that is running an A1 butt pad and I never had that tab to begin with as my rifle skins are not set up for it. My butt pad has worked fine ever since installing it. I wouldn't hesitate to keep shooting your rifle the way it is.
Sounds like you need to hire some more gun loving design engineers!! I may know a guy...
Gun-loving design engineer right here! Nick, if you are ever hiring let me know!
Question for you DT 338LM shooters, what is the max distance that you have taken you rig out to with reliable hits (2 out of 3) shots including cold bore? I'm looking for REAL info here so please be honest.
Tough to answer that question, because there are so many variables. If I'm out with my 30" TS Customs and there is 1-3mph wind... I'm making first round hits and 5 shot groups on IPSC targets at a mile +. If it's a typical south dakota day with switching and gusting 12-20mph winds... then that distance gets reeled in to about 1300-1500yds. If the conditions get bad enough, I'm lucky to get a first round hit at a thousand. Killed a mule deer in Oregon couple years ago at 945yds. Hit it 3 out of 3 shots. First shot landed 2 inches above its heart. It was in VERY rough terrain and next to a property line so I decided to keep launching when it didn't hit the dirt after the first one. It was dead on its feet though. Second round it was on the move, and I hit about 2 feet too far back as I didn't lead enough, which spun it around, third shot landed about 8" above the first. It has taken me a lifetime of shooting to get to that point. Truly, your question is "shooter dependent," barrel dependent, and conditions dependent. I'm more capable with my TS Customs barrel than I ever was with my factory tube. It's heavier, faster, recoils less, and more forgiving. Yet a 25mph wind is still hard for me to work in.
If you're talking "max distance ever" then I was out on a beautiful day and put first round hit and 5 shot group on a 12"x24" IPSC at 2150yds. That would be the exception, not the rule. If you put $5000 on me doing it again... I probably couldn't. I could barely even see the damn target.
If you're talking "max distance ever" then I was out on a beautiful day and put first round hit and 5 shot group on a 12"x24" IPSC at 2150yds. That would be the exception, not the rule. If you put $5000 on me doing it again... I probably couldn't. I could barely even see the damn target.
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Tough to answer that question, because there are so many variables. If I'm out with my 30" TS Customs and there is 1-3mph wind... I'm making first round hits and 5 shot groups on IPSC targets at a mile +. If it's a typical south dakota day with switching and gusting 12-20mph winds... then that distance gets reeled in to about 1300-1500yds. If the conditions get bad enough, I'm lucky to get a first round hit at a thousand. Killed a mule deer in Oregon couple years ago at 945yds. Hit it 3 out of 3 shots. First shot landed 2 inches above its heart. It was in VERY rough terrain and next to a property line so I decided to keep launching when it didn't hit the dirt after the first one. It was dead on its feet though. Second round it was on the move, and I hit about 2 feet too far back as I didn't lead enough, which spun it around, third shot landed about 8" above the first. It has taken me a lifetime of shooting to get to that point. Truly, your question is "shooter dependent," barrel dependent, and conditions dependent. I'm more capable with my TS Customs barrel than I ever was with my factory tube. It's heavier, faster, recoils less, and more forgiving. Yet a 25mph wind is still hard for me to work in.
If you're talking "max distance ever" then I was out on a beautiful day and put first round hit and 5 shot group on a 12"x24" IPSC at 2150yds. That would be the exception, not the rule. If you put $5000 on me doing it again... I probably couldn't. I could barely even see the damn target.
Thanks for the reply and info, your correct on the shooter,equipment and conditions stand point. I'm an ok shooter but my shooting buddy (very experienced shooter 25+) is a very good shooter and we have all the right equipment for spotting and shooting decided to do some serious ELR over the last 3 weeks with our 338's (30" Chanlynn custom and 30" DT Benchmarks) won't bore you with load details but we are pushing the limits for sure (both bullet/powder choices) and have hit a wall @ 2400. The 2000 mark seems to be our limit (well his) on scoring first hits and 5 for 5, mine is 3 out of 5. Conditions here are very favorable this time of year for this, 70-75 temp, 7200-7500DA 1-5mph wind. Just was looking for some others REAL input and seeing what the REAL story is. Thanks for being honest in your answer ( it matches what I've have seen) as you hear some very exaggerated stories out there. Not saying things can't be done but are not repeatable in my experience so far.
You got that right! Lots of guys post "lookit" threads where some exceptional thing has been done.. but it was in a vacuum and probably won't be replicated in their lifetime. That's ok, because I love reading about exceptional things. ... but the right perspective is needed when evaluating ourselves based on those exceptional feats. As you can tell, 1-5mph is pretty easy to smash stuff at a mile + with a good 338. If you want to test your mettle... come visit me sometime.
I sure am envious of you guys that are 7 or 8 atmospheres higher than I am. Sure can push em out there when you get up higher! I'm looking forward to stretching my 375CT out up there at elevation this fall.
Just so happens the HTI 375's are going out next week
and yeah the 7-8 DA is great to shoot in on a side note how do you compare the 7LRM to the 7WSM on recoil? You've got me intrigued because I love my WSM's I'd say they are pretty much the same on recoil. I like 7LRM so much that I don't shoot WSM anymore! It feeds WAY better in DTA's than the WSM/SAUM's ever did.
I'm at a point I can't figure out what caliber to do next. I've got a factory 260 barrel. Had a 22 inch 338 lapua that I got rid of. I'm getting a 6xc or 6 creedmore for it and I was thinking of doing a 6.5 or 7 saum but from my understanding they cycle but it's not great. I'd love to have a non belted 7 mm that would push 180 hybrids over 3000fps. I have a place to shoot to a mile and possibly 2 miles just don't make it there many times a year. Ive thought about a long barrel 338 Norma. It just overkill for what I do most of the time. I do however have a 338BA can. So my question is what caliber reliably feeds that would fit the bill for out to 2000 yards.
I haven't spent much time with 7LRM at 2000yds. It does great at a mile, but I've not pushed past that on anything but rocks. So, no hard data to speak of.
We can get you 3000fps in the 7lrm pretty easy. The 30" barrels in the 1.050" straight contour with flutes are very appealing! We've got guys running the 30" tubes with 180's upwards of 3150fps. At 2960fps, 180 bergers are supersonic to just past a mile.
We can get you 3000fps in the 7lrm pretty easy. The 30" barrels in the 1.050" straight contour with flutes are very appealing! We've got guys running the 30" tubes with 180's upwards of 3150fps. At 2960fps, 180 bergers are supersonic to just past a mile.
It JMO but for my style of shooting the 7mm/180's can't be beat (Tactical long range) I have taken my WSM's out to 1876 with some success but still wouldn't classify it "repeatable" yet but agree with Orkan at the 1760 marker with the 180's from a 28" SAC barrel as it's just a hammer. The only issue I have is I had to have Mark throat the thing longer to feed reliable, but plenty of room in the DT mag to do it for sure. the brass issue for both the SAUM & WSM are serious issue for me as the availability sucks. I feel that I will be bending Orkan's ear in the future for a 7LRM later this fall as I really am liking what I hear so far, just got to make a decision and do it!
I did some searching for 7lrm brass and I didn't turn up anything. Anybody got a source? Looked on gunwerks also.
We have brass in stock.
Tough to answer that question, because there are so many variables. If I'm out with my 30" TS Customs and there is 1-3mph wind... I'm making first round hits and 5 shot groups on IPSC targets at a mile +. If it's a typical south dakota day with switching and gusting 12-20mph winds... then that distance gets reeled in to about 1300-1500yds. If the conditions get bad enough, I'm lucky to get a first round hit at a thousand. Killed a mule deer in Oregon couple years ago at 945yds. Hit it 3 out of 3 shots. First shot landed 2 inches above its heart. It was in VERY rough terrain and next to a property line so I decided to keep launching when it didn't hit the dirt after the first one. It was dead on its feet though. Second round it was on the move, and I hit about 2 feet too far back as I didn't lead enough, which spun it around, third shot landed about 8" above the first. It has taken me a lifetime of shooting to get to that point. Truly, your question is "shooter dependent," barrel dependent, and conditions dependent. I'm more capable with my TS Customs barrel than I ever was with my factory tube. It's heavier, faster, recoils less, and more forgiving. Yet a 25mph wind is still hard for me to work in.
If you're talking "max distance ever" then I was out on a beautiful day and put first round hit and 5 shot group on a 12"x24" IPSC at 2150yds. That would be the exception, not the rule. If you put $5000 on me doing it again... I probably couldn't. I could barely even see the damn target.
I would be interested in watching videos of the shots described in this post.
And I would be an eager student at 6000+ feet here in Utah. I will offer to host you in our basement duplex listed on airbnb.com at a massive discount. Like free.
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Sorry chief... it was rainy. No vid. Contrary to popular belief, I do just shoot for myself once in a while.
Sorry chief... it was rainy. No vid. Contrary to popular belief, I do just shoot for myself once in a while.
Come on! I'm an EAGER student! And I will take care of the videos!
Fact is, there's a lot of boastful stuff here, which requires independent confirmation for credibility. And I offer such an opportunity.
I refer the interested reader to Bryan Litz's book. Accuracy and Precision for Long Range Shooting. Table 18.18. 338 Allen Magnum, 300 grain Berger at 3400 FPS. 1800 yards in a +/- 1 MPH wind, there's a 43% hit percentage on a 15" target. We are talking about an EXTREME overbore cartridge in almost no wind. In a 5 MPH wind, the hit percentage falls to 10%. So, please, dear reader, use a reference when you try to determine the credibility of claims made in these forums.
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Quit waiting and just buy one
I am left handed and got tired of waiting. I've had mine for a month or so. It's not difficult at all to shoot, you just have to lift your cheek to cycle. This was today at 500yds. I wasn't trying to shoot fast or anythingHopefully someone can answer this quickly for me....I'm looking at moving into the DTA world. I have the chance of getting a DTA SRS A1 Covert, chambered in .300 win mag (18in barrel). It also comes with 4 mags and monopod. Price is $3900 not including shipping. Should I jump on this? Is the 18 in barrel with a .300 win mag good for long range precision? Thank you for any advice.
3 weeks ago, I almost bought a 308 covert for 3600. But for 4400 I got a brand new 308 SRS. Depends on how price sensitive you are. For me, I didn't need a "covert" length rifle, and actually didn't really want one. Also, one has to ask, what specific application is a 300WM 18" bbl set up for? If you really NEED a very short rifle and your shots are all going to be under a certain range, that may suit you well. On the other hand, according to Dan Lilja, each inch of magnum barrel will sacrifice 15-25 fps in velocity. So you are losing 150-200 fps compared to a 26" barrel, and taking gratuitous recoil with that cartridge at those velocities. It's a goals and values thing for sure.
Quit waiting and just buy one
I can also jerk off, but I'd rather get it on with my wife.
I shot a RH DTA for awhile, cause I got tired of waiting too.
I shoot rifles lefty, and the money that should be going DT's way has gone to other manufacturers that cater to LH shooters.
I got my Serbu semi before a DT LH rifle. That was the longest 2 weeks I ever waited, but it eventually happened.
I'm hoping for the same results with DT.
I would be taking this version on larger game hunts. Would probably invest in the srs a1 full size rails and get a 26" 6.5 cm barrel for precision shooting at distance. My concern is I live in Illinois an can't use a can and I know the covert is geared toward suppressed shooting. So would I lose accuracy and would my effective range be dramatically reduced?
Well there's math... and then there's experience. I've been shooting in the same place, shooting the same direction, at least 5-10 times a month, for the last 6-7 years. A guy can get to know an area pretty good when you put that kind of time in. A full size IPSC target at 1500yds gets pretty damn easy after a while. Then there's always a bit of luck involved, right? If the first one misses, it isn't by much... and the follow-up's are usually connecting. The benefit of shooting against a gravel pile.
Accuracy and range won't be the problem, brutal muzzle blast will. An 18" 300 WM without a can from a DTA Covert will be VERY unpleasant to shoot, especially if you use a muzzle break as I expect you would.
Accuracy will not be an issue, you will lose some range and MV (more drop and wind shift). As has been mentioned the blast with a muzzle brake attached is brutal. You need to remember that these SRS rifles are nearly a foot shorter than a standard rifle. That means your face is pretty dang close to the muzzle. on an 18" barrel in comparison to a standard bolt rifle with the same length barrel.
I have been shooting and selling SRS and Covert rifles for sometime. I see the allure of the short magnum conversions for shooting in thick wooded areas or times with the 8" shorter barrel would be beneficial, but out West where we can stretch things out regularly, I personally am not willing to give up that much MV on a Magnum caliber, especially if I am forced to shoot unsuppressed and deal with the excess muzzle blast produced by the ultra short barreled magnum calibers.
Would it be possible to get a 460 or 4570 to feed okay? Reason being ohio has new law so we can use straight walled cartridges and suppressors. I'd love to be able to legally hunt with my rig!
If you don't need the long rails on the SRS than the covert makes much more sense. You can put a long barrel in a covert just fine but you can't put a short one in an SRS and have any hope of staying sane. I put the short handguard on my SRS and now shoot everything from 16" barreled 338BR to the 26" 6.5X47 and 338 Lapua mag. I think the covert is just an overall more versatile package.
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The problem with most of those is the rimmed case. We did a conversion for a guy in 220Swift, and we couldn't get but 3 or so to load properly from the magazine. I modified the follower to allow feeding of the rimmed cases, but as is always the case with rimmed cartridges... they nose-down pretty bad when stacked in a line.
A straight walled case with a standard rim as found on modern cartridges should be no problem... but I'm not familiar with anything like that.
We've chambered all kinds of oddball stuff for guys in their DTA's, so I'm open to any ideas you have. "We ain't skeered."
I think you'd like the SRS-A1 a lot better than the covert. I find that the covert is a little too short for most shooting situations. You'd like the SRS-A1 a lot better, especially if you are shooting unsuppressed.
Give a call anytime! I'd love to talk about it with you. Also, we're just up here in South Dakota, so if you ever find yourself a bit north, we can go shoot a bit!
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Any of the rimmed cases are going to be a bit of a problem to get to feed from a magazine. Also you'll need a bolt head that take the cartridge, and the 460 doesn't line up well with existing bolt heads. If you want to run a rimmed straight wall, then I'd look to the NEF handy rifle, or the TC encore/contender. Prefrence would be the encore, as they have barrels for the 460 that you can get off the shelf. A 16" barrel encore, is surprisingly short.
Frank has some nice ideas for straight wall cartridges, that will feed in the DTA, I'll let him fill you in on what he can do.
I ordered a 12.7x48 (aka 500 whisper) from him recently. 338 lapua brass, cut down, shoulder cut in, and expanded out to hold 50 cal rifle bullets. Should be a fun thumper, and be nice and quiet with a can on it.
Can one of you guys post up a few quick pics of your carbon fiber handguards and your proof research barrels? Orkan, will ts customs install the barrel extensions, chamber, and thread a proof research barrel? If so, I guess I just have to figure out the handguard. Any suggestions for manufacturers?
Keltec is a crap rifle but whatever flips your lid.
Not just crap, but not very pleasing on the eye, from a design perspective.
No problem.
Have you looked at the .45 Raptor? .308 necked up to .458... afaik it's straight walled. But so is the .510 Whisper / 12.7x48.
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That 45 raptor looks fun! Should be no problem doing one of those.
A .450 Marlin may be the answer for you, it is based off a belted magnum case, it does everything the .45-70 will do. Plus you can buy ammo off the shelf.
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It's not just any straight wall, they have a select list. That's why I thought 460 or 4570. I have encore and thought about a barrel fir it but I just really wanna use the ole trusty dta! There is no other rig in my opinion..
My 13yr old son shooting the SRS with subsonic 308Win at golfballs at 75yds says to me after shooting for the day..."Dad, I want one of these, how much are they?". My response was "Too much for you and don't tell your mother that".
My 13yr old son shooting the SRS with subsonic 308Win at golfballs at 75yds says to me after shooting for the day..."Dad, I want one of these, how much are they?". My response was "Too much for you and don't tell your mother that".
Awesome Pic. I look forward to when my little ones are out shooting centerfire rifles and matches with me. My two oldest have been shooting .22 single shot rifles and they love it.
