ok so maybe on the hide isn't the right place

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to ask but I know a lot of people here are very experienced and may have some knowledge ....

I have a friend with a sporterized mauser. It has a tiny little dia barrel and maybe weighs 6 pounds with bipod and scope. ok so maybe 7 pounds. Anyways he was wanting to take it to the range with him tomorrow. I am taking him for his first try at over 150 yards. Maybe get him going to 7 tomorrow. Anyways

He tried sighting it in with some old mil-surp ammmo. It was all over the place. Maybe 3ft groups at 100.
He had me come over and give it a shot. I shot from 50yds and got about a 1.5ft group. I feel good about my end of the shooting, and pretty good that it isn't in the scope either. does anyone have any ideas what may be causing this. Im clueless. POI was inconsistent and varied up,down, left, and right from shot to shot.

to check the scope I bore sighted it (looking though the barrel and then checking scope alignment. It looked consistent between shots and the crosshair did not appear to be jumping.

Thanks for the help in advance.
 
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8x57

There was the normal flex in the barrel when grabbed ahold of but it almost felt like there was a "clicking" going on towards the end of the travel like it was moving around. The action seemed to be in the stock tight though and didnt look to move much at all when I tried to get it too.
 
#6
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when I looked it over nothing stood out as "not right".
Last time I saw a gun shoot that bad was a ak that had a bulged barrel. I may run a rod through it next time Im there and see if there are any weird spots in the bore.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...there was a "clicking" going on towards the end of the travel like it was moving around. The action seemed to be in the stock tight though and didnt look to move much at all when I tried to get it too. </div></div>
I was shooting a match once with a Garand with a terrible receiver to stock fit. I'd put some shims in and shot the first relay, but during the second relay the shims fell out. I figured I'd just keep shooting and see how it did. It immediately went from shooting 9's and 10's to 6's and 7's that were all over the place. I put the shims back in and it went right back to where it was before.

Bedding is important. That "clicking" is most likely the receiver shifting in the stock. If your groups are really around 3 feet, then that is probably only one of many problems.

You said you don't think it's the scope, but what kind of scope is it? As DD said, check to make sure bases and rings are tight.
 
#8
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everything was tight with the scope.
The scope is a "cheapy" centerpoint scope the guy picked up with my recomendation. I have had two aswell as a few other people I know and we all have had good luck with them for what they are. I used one for the first 500rounds through my savage 10fcp. It survived the recoil of those 178grn .308s fine and now is on top of my AR-15. That being said I know (as im a machinist) that bad stuff does happen and maybe just because myself and others have had good luck with them doesn't mean he didn't get a junk one.
bore sighting though it came back to the same place everytime. even bore sighting by eye u would think if the crosshair was jumping u would see it not even being close to the target when comparing bore to scope.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has it ever shot well....or even decent?</div></div>



that idk. I am not sure of its history. I do know whoever owned it orig (guys father or grandfather) has dies to reload for it so he must of thought it was worth the money to buy the dies.
 
#13
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">dry fire and see if the reticle twitch from a bagged and podded bench</div></div> good idea. I'll try that tomorrow if I get time.
 
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Sounds to me like the barrel is shot out. Not uncommon on old milsurp rifles, especially if they've had a ton of corrosive ammo run through them and not cleaned properly. With the weapon unloaded and action open, take a round and stick it pointy end into the muzzle. If the round goes into the muzzle all the way up to the case neck, or even close to it, the barrel is shot out.
 
#17
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Some of these old mausers had a .318 bore and not the .323 bore. Also, what surplus ammo were you using? Some of the surplus is really bad. Also, all surplus 8mm is corrosive. So make sure it is flushed out with water to get rid of the salts. Take the scope back to Walmart and get your $ back.
 
#18
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I once had a very nice old 1909 Argentine that just wouldn't shoot under a foot or so at 100. On looking at the muzzle I found I could slide the bullet in a loaded round down the muzzle until the case neck hit, and wiggle it around. The muzzle was so flared at the muzzle end from being stroked with a steel cleaning rod that the bearing surface of a bullet would slide down the muzzle about a 1/4" before stopping. We cut about 3/4" off the muzzle (right behand the front sight) and re-crowned it and it was about a 1 1/2" gun with mill surp ammo.
 
#19
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Just looking around for reviews on centerpoint because i have a decent one...85$CAD 3-9x40AOE and it's fuxd after 1600shots. The elevation knob no longer clicks after 6 turns and although it goes to 8 turns it will not move the reticule after 6&6moa..

Not going to go back to them barring some seriously positive reviews..
 
#20
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NBLongRanger</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just looking around for reviews on centerpoint because i have a decent one...85$CAD 3-9x40AOE and it's fuxd after 1600shots. The elevation knob no longer clicks after 6 turns and although it goes to 8 turns it will not move the reticule after 6&6moa..

Not going to go back to them barring some seriously positive reviews.. </div></div>


The one I have 4-16x40? AO has done maybe 500 rounds on my savage .308 and another couple hundred on my AR-15. So far its doing ok. I got one on my .22 as well. They aren't bad for the money, but Im treating them as throw away scopes ... atleast on a centerfire. Still glass and features aren't too bad for 69$ and they work well to get u buy if cash is tight and u need some sort of otpics to get u buy till cash increases .
Thats why I got mine. Plus being able to hold 7 mils over on a mil dot scope is handy.could take my .308 out to 700yds and never touch the turrets.
 
#21
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Oh yeh, I sighted it to 50yards on my target .22LR and it'll stay there through a box of ammunition. I'm just saying for constant dialing of elevation it's become garbage.. I'll probably give it to my nephew for his "Custom" 1100fps .22 pellet rifle.

I subscribe to the pay as much for the scope as the rifle on my big-bore guns. I beat up 2 pairs of flip-up sight covers a year..They have to take a fair amount of abuse
 
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