Suppressors Okay,,,, Suppressor's Wet...Dry.... :( :(... ??
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Re: Okay,,,, Suppressor's Wet...Dry.... 
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suppressors (pistol) turn noise into heat....a fluid like oil or water or in most cases a jell that do not propigate flame is used to quite the report....
when used w/sub-sonic ammo a wet can will be hollywood quiet.
wet cans will spit / blow-back, until the substance burns away
rifle/centerfire cans that are used for high pressure rounds probably should not be fed any fluid.....the spike in pressures may quickly end you day of shooting and result in a trip the the ER.....
... ??suppressors (pistol) turn noise into heat....a fluid like oil or water or in most cases a jell that do not propigate flame is used to quite the report....
when used w/sub-sonic ammo a wet can will be hollywood quiet.
wet cans will spit / blow-back, until the substance burns away
rifle/centerfire cans that are used for high pressure rounds probably should not be fed any fluid.....the spike in pressures may quickly end you day of shooting and result in a trip the the ER.....
Re: Okay,,,, Suppressor's Wet...Dry.... ... ??
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What BoltTripper said...
To begin:
Wet cans work best wet, but can be run dry with less effectiveness. Wet cans will always be dimensionally smaller. Thin viscosity ablatives (additives) are quietest, but do not last as long. Water is the quietest of all, but last a round or two. A light oil or grease will not be as quiet but will last longer, figure a grease can last for 6-8 rounds before you can hear the difference. Its a case of practicality and designers, good designers will actually design towards one ablative to insure balancing the limited internal volumes against filling those same spaces. Wet cans are generally always quieter than dry. Large pistol rounds, say .45, even when marketed as a dry can really only sound great when run wet. The baffle design of a pistol wet can is usually flat plane baffle stacks. One should add approximately 5 - 10cc of whatever they like as that is all that is actually required. Light oils, like Remoil can be a nice compromise. Loading the can is made quiet simple with the right tool. Here, grease injector.
#1 rule of a wet centerfire silencer is never, ever clean it. You do yourself no service, none. Its hard enough to get them filthy enough. Wet....no cleaning.
So why would one bother to design a dry pistol can? All civilian market whining about the mess and a small bit of not being able to have ablative available in tactical situations.
Dry cans are designed to run dry, but can be run wet and will be even better. They are dimensionally larger as the additional internal volume is needed. When one designs a dry can, generally cone shaped more complex styles baffles and/or conical grind lead gas pathing is used. One tries to spin the gas more in a dry can, the delay is essential. Pistol cartridge sub guns are usually dry cans. High volume? Dry. Dry cans can take the heat...by design.
Cleaning a dry centerfire can? Not necessary, but a simple flush is all that is necessary. Cleaning a dry can is made simple with the right tool. Here, high pressure hot water.
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What BoltTripper said...
To begin:
Wet cans work best wet, but can be run dry with less effectiveness. Wet cans will always be dimensionally smaller. Thin viscosity ablatives (additives) are quietest, but do not last as long. Water is the quietest of all, but last a round or two. A light oil or grease will not be as quiet but will last longer, figure a grease can last for 6-8 rounds before you can hear the difference. Its a case of practicality and designers, good designers will actually design towards one ablative to insure balancing the limited internal volumes against filling those same spaces. Wet cans are generally always quieter than dry. Large pistol rounds, say .45, even when marketed as a dry can really only sound great when run wet. The baffle design of a pistol wet can is usually flat plane baffle stacks. One should add approximately 5 - 10cc of whatever they like as that is all that is actually required. Light oils, like Remoil can be a nice compromise. Loading the can is made quiet simple with the right tool. Here, grease injector.
#1 rule of a wet centerfire silencer is never, ever clean it. You do yourself no service, none. Its hard enough to get them filthy enough. Wet....no cleaning.
So why would one bother to design a dry pistol can? All civilian market whining about the mess and a small bit of not being able to have ablative available in tactical situations.
Dry cans are designed to run dry, but can be run wet and will be even better. They are dimensionally larger as the additional internal volume is needed. When one designs a dry can, generally cone shaped more complex styles baffles and/or conical grind lead gas pathing is used. One tries to spin the gas more in a dry can, the delay is essential. Pistol cartridge sub guns are usually dry cans. High volume? Dry. Dry cans can take the heat...by design.
Cleaning a dry centerfire can? Not necessary, but a simple flush is all that is necessary. Cleaning a dry can is made simple with the right tool. Here, high pressure hot water.
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Re: Okay,,,, Suppressor's Wet...Dry.... ... ??
Rollingthunder covered it well.
Most people will want a dry suppressor IMO. It CAN be used wet if you want it to, but it doesn't need to be.
I never recommend a small, wet can for a first time buyer. It sounds great, but is inconvenient to use.
Semper Fidelis
... ??Rollingthunder covered it well.
Most people will want a dry suppressor IMO. It CAN be used wet if you want it to, but it doesn't need to be.
I never recommend a small, wet can for a first time buyer. It sounds great, but is inconvenient to use.
Semper Fidelis
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what he said.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">suppressors (pistol) turn noise into heat....a fluid like oil or water or in most cases a jell that do not propigate flame is used to quite the report....
when used w/sub-sonic ammo a wet can will be hollywood quiet.
wet cans will spit / blow-back, until the substance burns away
rifle/centerfire cans that are used for high pressure rounds probably should not be fed any fluid.....the spike in pressures may quickly end you day of shooting and result in a trip the the ER..... </div></div>
... ??what he said.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BOLTRIPPER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">suppressors (pistol) turn noise into heat....a fluid like oil or water or in most cases a jell that do not propigate flame is used to quite the report....
when used w/sub-sonic ammo a wet can will be hollywood quiet.
wet cans will spit / blow-back, until the substance burns away
rifle/centerfire cans that are used for high pressure rounds probably should not be fed any fluid.....the spike in pressures may quickly end you day of shooting and result in a trip the the ER..... </div></div>
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Aluminum cans/baffles cannot be used with water, or water-based gells, or you'll get corrosion.
FYI
... ??Aluminum cans/baffles cannot be used with water, or water-based gells, or you'll get corrosion.
FYI
Re: Okay,,,, Suppressor's Wet...Dry.... ... ??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DustyJacket</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aluminum cans/baffles cannot be used with water, or water-based gells, or you'll get corrosion.
FYI
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Are you sure about that Dusty? Most if not all pistol cans are aluminum, and many are designed to be shot wet or dry. I personally use clear wire pulling gel in my cans. It's water based, and as it ablates it leaves no residue. I have no signs of corrosion what-so-ever.
I would think that there would be some type of disclaimer from the mfr's NOT to use a water based product in their suppressors when shooting wetif that were the case.
Even John Titsworth uses water when doing his suppressor tests on his website...no mention at all about water or water based products being harmful to the cans.
Steve
... ??<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DustyJacket</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aluminum cans/baffles cannot be used with water, or water-based gells, or you'll get corrosion.
FYI
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Are you sure about that Dusty? Most if not all pistol cans are aluminum, and many are designed to be shot wet or dry. I personally use clear wire pulling gel in my cans. It's water based, and as it ablates it leaves no residue. I have no signs of corrosion what-so-ever.
I would think that there would be some type of disclaimer from the mfr's NOT to use a water based product in their suppressors when shooting wetif that were the case.
Even John Titsworth uses water when doing his suppressor tests on his website...no mention at all about water or water based products being harmful to the cans.
Steve
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My pistol can came with such a warning.
But I forgot to add: non-anodized aluminum baffles.
... ??My pistol can came with such a warning.
But I forgot to add: non-anodized aluminum baffles.
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"Most if not all pistol cans are aluminum, and many are designed to be shot wet or dry"
Some manufactures will not use aluminum in any of their cans. Some manufacturers seems to use it in all their cans.
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"Most if not all pistol cans are aluminum, and many are designed to be shot wet or dry"
Some manufactures will not use aluminum in any of their cans. Some manufacturers seems to use it in all their cans.
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