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On Ammo and SHTF.

Maggot

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    Look at it his way.

    Most of us have pretty good stockpiles of what we need and shoot, we've been collecting for years. Most of the libtards who've gotten scared and started buying in the last 6 months? At today's prices and scarcity, how much can they have stockpiled? Have they even had enough to go out and practice? As Frank so aptly put it:

    "You cant miss fast enough to win a gunfight."

    Fuck'em.
     
    I’ve had plenty of opportunity to buy ammo recently. I just haven’t because of the prices, but if that is no object to someone (libtard as you put it) they can stockpile as much as they want. I’ve gotten probably 5 or 6 notifications for .223 just this morning.
     
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    I’ve had plenty of opportunity to buy ammo recently. I just haven’t because of the prices, but if that is no object to someone (libtard as you put it) they can stockpile as much as they want. I’ve gotten probably 5 or 6 notifications for .223 just this morning.

    Id think that 'Price is no object" refers to the few, not the many, especially iwth Covid short money

    9mm-$.60
    40 cal-$ .60
    45-$.69
    10mm- .70

    223-. .46
    556- .75 and almost all Russian garbage I wont run through my rifle.
     
    Id think that 'Price is no object" refers to the few, not the many, especially iwth Covid short money

    9mm-$.60
    40 cal-$ .60
    45-$.69
    10mm- .70

    223-. .46
    556- .75 and almost all Russian garbage I wont run through my rifle.

    Agreed, it does refer to the few. Percentage wise, I would bet we aren't exactly looking at more than a small minority that fits in the demographic of new buyers + feeling they need to stockpile for whatever this "SHTF" scenario is. In addition, if they actually are buying into the need to stockpile for SHTF, I would think money is of lesser concern than finding ammo. I can assure you the last few generations are very aware of what credit cards are. If I felt I was about to be plunged into some civil war or whatever SHTF means, and I wasn't squared away on ammo, I would buy on credit as well. Good luck collecting from me when the economy is non-existent.
     
    not that it matters but I plan to hoard , hoard , hoard the my precious
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    guns and ammo baby .
     
    Agreed, it does refer to the few. Percentage wise, I would bet we aren't exactly looking at more than a small minority that fits in the demographic of new buyers + feeling they need to stockpile for whatever this "SHTF" scenario is. In addition, if they actually are buying into the need to stockpile for SHTF, I would think money is of lesser concern than finding ammo. I can assure you the last few generations are very aware of what credit cards are. If I felt I was about to be plunged into some civil war or whatever SHTF means, and I wasn't squared away on ammo, I would buy on credit as well. Good luck collecting from me when the economy is non-existent.

    If we are going into a civil, ammo prices will probably be so high that maxing out your credit cards on Ammo, might be worth 30 minutes of plinking.

    Ammo stash is all relative, to some 2000 rounds is a lot but unless you have a millions rounds there is plenty of room to keep stacking
     
    If we are going into a civil, ammo prices will probably be so high that maxing out your credit cards on Ammo, might be worth 30 minutes of plinking.

    Ammo stash is all relative, to some 2000 rounds is a lot but unless you have a millions rounds there is plenty of room to keep stacking
    LOL, did you see Frank's post yesterday?
     
    I've run into a bunch of people at the range lately that are hoarding ammunition. One guy and his wife claimed to have 10k rounds of 5.56. They were shooting brand spanking new matching ARs at 25 yards off a bench with chinese holographic sights built by their "gunsmith." The wife's wouldn't cycle so I loaned her a spare BCG that fixed the problem.

    I wonder how many people like that are out there, and what's their plan for all that ammo? Bartering? Massive amounts of suppressive fire? Uh... ok I guess. I don't think I'd survive enough firefights to go through 500 rounds, much less 10k. I'm no Rambo, but I do have a couple of competitions under my belt and was blessed to live in the country where I could run and gun in my yard. I like to think I'm more proficient than most.

    I'm still holding out for fire sale prices on p2p ammo deals when the dust settles. I have 1k .223 set aside... I'm still shooting with the rest.
     
    To give you an idea in Iraq it took on average 250,000 shots fired for each insurgent kill. When you are talking civil war that is a whole different ballpark then self defense. It’s war.

    Also 10,000 rounds is hoarding? Ive been shooting that out of my 223 every 8-9 months for the last decade.
     
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    Was at Sportsman's Warehouse. 147 and 120 gr Hornady 6.5CM 2 bucks a round. Even though I've wasted a lot of my 147 figuring out WTF is wrong with my "10" I am not paying that. Screw it...if need be, I'll pick up a 308 upper.

    I'll admit, I'm low on 6.5CM since that was my first new caliber in YEARS. I personally should have bought more, but I'd have had to store shit in garage - not very good for ammo quality to bake at 105-110 then get down to 42 or so in the winter. One day, I promise, I'll organize my house (after I build my own!!!) and not an "on the lot model."
     
    I’m not sure what kinds of scenarios a lot of people are thinking about, but if you study how Marxists take over a nation with violence, it is done a lot differently than what you might be planning for.

    History of Marxist Revolutions
    One of the most common things for Marxists and communist revolutionaries to do is to arrange for some kind of manipulation of the succession of power over a nation, often with an army of fellow revolutionaries who are committed to the cause. They are willing to break any and all rules of that society/kingdom/republic/nation, including any provisions for a democratic process in elections.

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    Enemies List
    After the initial takeover, the various revolutionary cell leaders are provided with lists of people in their areas. These people are at the top of the “enemies list” who represent the greatest threat to the revolution.

    Since 1934, the United States has kept lists of owners of firearms and weapons that have military utility. Incrementally over the years, they have expanded the scope of that list, until sales had to be done by federally-approved Firearms Licensed Dealers. In 1934, Alcohol Tax Division agents were further tasked with specifically enforcing the new NFA provisions to violate the Constitution.

    With the standardization of ATF Form 4473s, it made it much easier to compile lists of firearms owners throughout the US. Once they went to Digital form 4473s, the data collection was made even easier.

    Prior to Disarmament
    Before Marxist revolutions call for a disarming the populace, a series of critical events always proceeds that effort. Cells of hit squads, usually comprised of disenfranchised and marginalized youth who have been highly agitated, given narcotics, and encouraged to engage in sexual violence, are led by cell leaders who have their local lists of “enemies of the revolution”.

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    These cells systematically begin to eliminate the targets on their lists across the nation. They did this in Russia (Bolsheviks vs White Russian Nationalists), Germany (Jews), China (Mao vs Chinese Nationalists), Cuba (Fidel and Che vs Cuban land owners/farmers/teachers), Poland (Soviets vs Polish intelligentsia), Cambodia (Khmer Rouge vs farmers, teachers, ethnic minorities), Hungary (soviets vs Hungarian teachers, partisans), Romania, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, etc. They follow a very methodical approach to wiping out the most threatening opposition before fully taking over a society. With Russia, it took the Bolsheviks 5 1/2 years to fully wipe out their opposition across a vast territory.

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    Digital Communist
    If you’re on the list, they aren’t looking to engage you in the open on terms favorable to you. The local cells will have more detailed data about you in this digital age with the help of Google (started by Russian digital Marxist Sergei Brin and software engineer Eric Schmidt, a company that openly holds Marxist ideological meetings that employees must attend if they want to be promoted), Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, etc.

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    They will have your address, what firearms you own (with your own self-reported photos online compiled in a relevancy-based data package tied to you), your age, family members, vehicles, assets, how you voted, political party affiliations, recent online orders, order history, employers, google maps routes you commonly use, and more data than you would ever imagine.

    It doesn’t matter how trick your AR-15 is or what IR illuminator and NODs you own, when a gang of 12-50 youths comes with a plan. In many cases, they will be armed with bricks, incendiary devices, Molotov cocktails, and firearms. Firearms will be distributed from caches that have been supplied for decades now in various schemes, some of which have been intercepted and reported on (remember Congressman Yee of California?), most of which have not. These include civilian-available small arms, as well as actual military small arms like what you see with the cartels in Mexico. Hand grenades, RPGs, LAWs, AKs, M4s, M203s, and even .50 BMGs on technical vehicles if needed.

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    Organization and coordination
    As we’ve seen from those who have penetrated, recorded, and posted video from internal ANTIFA meetings, they are very well-organized and trained at the cellular level, with a common national agenda. Once the campaign gets their leadership into National government, they are free to engage in more kinetic operations I’m describing, while the National leadership orders the police and military to effectively stand down by protecting certain static sites close to the State Capitols and other strategic locations that they want to maintain power over.

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    Rural areas
    This provides free reign for the hit cells. Almost every Marxist revolution has begun on a small scale in rural areas where they can stack the deck in their favor. This helps provide real-world mission practice and confidence-building for the revolutionary youth. It’s much easier to attack a small farm or lone rural domicile than to immediately attack someone with lots of neighbors. As confidence builds, more recruits are drawn into the revolution with the advertised success of the first attacks. This is a critical time for revolutionaries to build momentum, which eventually moves closer and closer to the cities-their ultimate targets.

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    With each successful raid, they are immediately rewarded with the spoils of murder, the ability to rape the survivors, and pillage their supplies. It becomes a self-feeding campaign just from the positive loop feedback of achieving each small goal. Marxists and subversive revolutionaries love to rape and torture their victims.

    Leadership cover
    While all this is going on, the revolutionary leadership (who are in the process of taking over the national government) condemn the violence, and blame it on their opposition. They classify it as crime, and demand that for the good of the nation, people must turn in their firearms so we can have safety. The media shows evidence of these crime scenes, labeled as anti-government/anti-movement extremists, and then engages the emotions of the populace by telling everyone that they can do their duty as citizens to help stop this by simply turning in their weapons.


    “Mr. and Mrs. America, turn them all in."
    Piles upon piles of weapons are voluntarily stacked for all to see, good citizens obeying and wanting to do the right thing. Once they are disarmed, they are taken away out of sight of the cameras, stripped, given prisoner clothing, raped, turtured, forced to confess which neighbors and family members of theirs also have weapons that didn’t turn them in, then photographed for the records of the state to document their criminal status as “enemies of the people”. Then they are executed.

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    The short story is that you’re already on a list. All this time, you’ve thought that the list was kept by the ATF and that people with the list are kept in-check to some degree by our laws. What you might not have considered is that the list can be provided to people who don’t care about the law, who are motivated by hatred for you, and will close-on you when the time is given to them, then execute a basic raid on you and your property with a numerically-superior force who is prepared to use any means provided to them to murder you, rape your family, steal your possessions, and move on to the next victims.

    You don’t win against demons like this alone.
     
    Look at it his way.

    Most of us have pretty good stockpiles of what we need and shoot, we've been collecting for years. Most of the libtards who've gotten scared and started buying in the last 6 months? At today's prices and scarcity, how much can they have stockpiled? Have they even had enough to go out and practice? As Frank so aptly put it:

    "You cant miss fast enough to win a gunfight."

    Fuck'em.
    A handful of 3rd Century mud hut dwellers with AKs gave the most powerful military in the world a hard time for nearly twenty years . Never underestimate a foe .
     
    Bwaahaha not.
    The most powerful military with ROE that provides mega amounts of cash for the MIC which has no desire to end any conflict. Just look at the kick back against Trump this week for saying that he was bringing back troops from the shit box.
    A handful of 3rd Century mud hut dwellers with AKs gave the most powerful military in the world a hard time for nearly twenty years . Never underestimate a foe .
     
    Think... generational.
    We don't do that anymore, fuck what's left for our children it's all about me.

    Those who founded this nation sacrificed everything for those yet to be born. We are celebrating getting free money from the government that our children will have to pay back with interest among other things.
     
    We don't do that anymore, fuck what's left for our children it's all about me.

    Those who founded this nation sacrificed everything for those yet to be born. We are celebrating getting free money from the government that our children will have to pay back with interest among other things.

    It's good to meet another cynical and pragmatic bastard.

    Nice to meet you, 👍😎
     
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    We don't do that anymore, fuck what's left for our children it's all about me.

    Those who founded this nation sacrificed everything for those yet to be born. We are celebrating getting free money from the government that our children will have to pay back with interest among other things.

    Pffft.... you sound like a fascist to me. I have a $200k in student loans for my undergrad degree in lesbian interpretive dance studies and I can't find a job. How am I supposed to support my transgender boyfriend without that free money? He suffers from anxiety, you know.

    Have a little compassion you ignorant asshole. You're probably not even educated.
     
    We don't do that anymore, fuck what's left for our children it's all about me.

    Those who founded this nation sacrificed everything for those yet to be born. We are celebrating getting free money from the government that our children will have to pay back with interest among other things.
    Fwiw,

    We do, have and know a few others that do.

    I'd wager your the same.👍.

    Personally, I'm waiting for the big asteroid. 😂
     
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    Easy @vinniedelpino. Don’t you know you don’t have to pay that off? All you have to do is to maintain a 6 hour course load toward any degree, and you can continue to kick that can down the road.

    Thank God. Does this apply to graduate degrees as well? Because I'm thinking of going back to school for a MS in Interpretive Dance before I get into politics.
     
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    Thank God. Does this apply to graduate degrees as well? Because I'm thinking of going back to school for a MS in Interpretive Dance before I get into politics.
    Sure does. I’ve got a friend that is a lawyer that carries hunderds of thousands of dollars in student loans. He has the ability to pay them off, but continues to “work toward that next degree” instead- because the funding agency wasn’t willing to make a deal. Instead, he takes 2 online classes per semester (taking out additional student loans each semester) and intends to do so until Biden absolves all student debt, or he dies. Don’t play a game of brinkmanship with a pissed off lawyer.
     
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    Sure does. I’ve got a friend that is a lawyer that carries hunderds of thousands of dollars in student loans. He has the ability to pay them off, but continues to “work toward that next degree” instead- because the funding agency wasn’t willing to make a deal. Instead, he takes 2 online classes per semester (taking out additional student loans each semester) and intends to do so until Biden absolves all student debt, or he dies. Don’t play a game of brinkmanship with a pissed off lawyer.

    Damn. All joking aside... I worked a full time job, a part time job and did side work while I went to school full time. It was actually more than full time, as I took winter/summer classes to finish undergrad in three years. I didn't take out student loans. I went to community college for a year and a half, then state school for a year and half and paid as I went. This was at 21 while supporting a wife and a newborn. At 35 I have twice as much grey hair as my dad at 62 and I missed my sons first words, his first steps... his first everything.

    I also missed out on a lot of keg parties and wet t-shirt contests.

    Boy is my ass chapped right now.
     
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    Damn. All joking aside... I worked a full time job, a part time job and did side work while I went to school full time. It was actually more than full time, as I took winter/summer classes to finish undergrad in three years. I didn't take out student loans. I went to community college for a year and a half, then state school for a year and half and paid as I went. This was at 21 while supporting a wife and a newborn. At 35 I have twice as much grey hair as my dad at 62 and I missed my sons first words, his first steps... his first everything.

    I also missed out on a lot of keg parties and wet t-shirt contests.

    Boy is my ass chapped right now.
    Me too, and me too (wrote a check to the school 2x per year)- though I didn't miss any steps or words. I've been stupidly paying on loans I didn't know I could dig myself further and further into until i didn't have to pay them off. But, I can't fault the guy. He's using the system against itself. Kind of like writing off $1,000,000,000 in losses so you don't ever have to pay taxes again. All legal...
     
    Damn. All joking aside... I worked a full time job, a part time job and did side work while I went to school full time. It was actually more than full time, as I took winter/summer classes to finish undergrad in three years. I didn't take out student loans. I went to community college for a year and a half, then state school for a year and half and paid as I went. This was at 21 while supporting a wife and a newborn. At 35 I have twice as much grey hair as my dad at 62 and I missed my sons first words, his first steps... his first everything.

    I also missed out on a lot of keg parties and wet t-shirt contests.

    Boy is my ass chapped right now.


    that's rough. That's the ultimate trifecta: full time work, full time school and kids at the same time.

    well the good thing is now you can go back to wet t shirt contest and keg parties (covid allowing of course), now that the kids are older. I had my first kid at 35, so i have a long way to go before i hit those parties up again.
     
    Me too, and me too (wrote a check to the school 2x per year)- though I didn't miss any steps or words. I've been stupidly paying on loans I didn't know I could dig myself further and further into until i didn't have to pay them off. But, I can't fault the guy. He's using the system against itself. Kind of like writing off $1,000,000,000 in losses so you don't ever have to pay taxes again. All legal...

    Honestly, I'd still pay even if it was forgiven. My pop's could be a mean bastard at times, but he did instill a strong work ethic and sense of resolve in me from how I was raised. A man pays his debts, follows through and keeps his word. No exceptions.

    What's right and wrong matters more to me than what's legal or not. If you paid your own way you have my respect. Not that its worth anything to you but nevertheless... I find the number of men I truly respect gets less and less each year.

    On another note, I became a CPA with that degree. I've posted on this before so I'm not going to derail this thread more than I already have, but nobody's legally writing off $1b losses unless they already paid tax on the money used to generate those losses. The whole "Trump paid $750 in taxes" thing is so unbelievably misleading I can't differentiate it from an outright lie.
     
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    that's rough. That's the ultimate trifecta: full time work, full time school and kids at the same time.

    well the good thing is now you can go back to wet t shirt contest and keg parties (covid allowing of course), now that the kids are older. I had my first kid at 35, so i have a long way to go before i hit those parties up again.

    Hah! Not anytime soon. I have four kids now, and I'm in the process of adopting a fifth. Some women collect shoes or handbags, apparently mine collects kids. She's worth it though.

    I can imagine those wet titties glistening under stage lights right now though... the smell of beer in the air, a nice buzz... the cheers from the crowd... it makes me smile just thinking about it. Hell, it makes me excited to get some work done. I'm out gents.