I have a Remington 700 Varmint in a B&C A2 stock with a Wyatt's bottom metal detatchable magazine. At 500 yards I'm getting decent groups around 5 inch. I've read a lot about custom rifles that have custom barrels, the action trued, etc. If I were to go with a custom rifle, shooting the same ammo on the same day, how much tighter could I expect the groups to be? I'm going to get a larger caliber rifle here soon, but I've also been debating on weather or not it would be worth having a custom .308 made. I'm pretty happy with my Remington, I'd just like to see how much there is to gain.
Out of box with Mods vs Custom
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Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
A tuned Remington 700 is certainly able to shoot beyond most peoples abilities. That being said, what type of load work have you done? Your rifle, as is, is probably capable of close to 1/2 minute of angle.
If you sent your current rifle to Short action customs, he can work wonders with the action, bolt and existing barrel, getting 1/2 moa with the proper loads would be relatively easy and probably even better.
Or, you could send the barreled action to hart, have them install one of their fine barrels and in the process true the action and lap the lugs. I have seen them send out some phenominal shooters.
You can always go custom, you might be happier that way. Figure 3,000 as an entry level custom, but that probably would not outshoot a 700 dollar investment in your current rifle.
A tuned Remington 700 is certainly able to shoot beyond most peoples abilities. That being said, what type of load work have you done? Your rifle, as is, is probably capable of close to 1/2 minute of angle.
If you sent your current rifle to Short action customs, he can work wonders with the action, bolt and existing barrel, getting 1/2 moa with the proper loads would be relatively easy and probably even better.
Or, you could send the barreled action to hart, have them install one of their fine barrels and in the process true the action and lap the lugs. I have seen them send out some phenominal shooters.
You can always go custom, you might be happier that way. Figure 3,000 as an entry level custom, but that probably would not outshoot a 700 dollar investment in your current rifle.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
He is wright. Some people have a custom rifles built and still don't shoot any better. The best thing to do. Is shoot the shit out or the one you have. Maybe add a custom trigger for consistent pulled weight. More so than the rifle is the shooter. A 5" group at 500 yards is not the best group but it is also not the worst.
A custom gun is expensive but If you only shoot 50 to 100 rounds a month. ?? is the gun worth it to you?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's more about the driver than the vehicle...
Josh </div></div>
He is wright. Some people have a custom rifles built and still don't shoot any better. The best thing to do. Is shoot the shit out or the one you have. Maybe add a custom trigger for consistent pulled weight. More so than the rifle is the shooter. A 5" group at 500 yards is not the best group but it is also not the worst.
A custom gun is expensive but If you only shoot 50 to 100 rounds a month. ?? is the gun worth it to you?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's more about the driver than the vehicle...
Josh </div></div>
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
2 examples I have.
#1 Rem 700 XCR LR Tactical 308 in a pillar bedded A5 stock.
Rifle $1000
Badger Bottom $350
McM A5 Adj $750
Scope Base $125
Pillar bedding by smith $200
Rifle Basix trigger $130
Total $2555
Rifle is a solid 1/2-3/4moa rifle with just about anyone behind it and shoots the same every time I go shoot it.
#2 280AI custom built 65 rounds through it at this point for fire forming and it shoots great.
Stiller Tac-300 w/rail $850
Krieger 12 flute barrel $450
Rifle Basix Trigger $130
McM Adj HTG (purchased an A5 for this but the HTG fit better) both were $550 each used the A5 on a diff rifle
M5 DBM $350
Smithing $500
Total $2830
So for the diff in the future I will go custom over factory with mods. Also as mentioned before if the driver is not up to par then it does not matter if he shows up with a ferrari he still will suck and all that money will have been pretty much wasted. Get something and get the fundamentals down then go from there.
2 examples I have.
#1 Rem 700 XCR LR Tactical 308 in a pillar bedded A5 stock.
Rifle $1000
Badger Bottom $350
McM A5 Adj $750
Scope Base $125
Pillar bedding by smith $200
Rifle Basix trigger $130
Total $2555
Rifle is a solid 1/2-3/4moa rifle with just about anyone behind it and shoots the same every time I go shoot it.
#2 280AI custom built 65 rounds through it at this point for fire forming and it shoots great.
Stiller Tac-300 w/rail $850
Krieger 12 flute barrel $450
Rifle Basix Trigger $130
McM Adj HTG (purchased an A5 for this but the HTG fit better) both were $550 each used the A5 on a diff rifle
M5 DBM $350
Smithing $500
Total $2830
So for the diff in the future I will go custom over factory with mods. Also as mentioned before if the driver is not up to par then it does not matter if he shows up with a ferrari he still will suck and all that money will have been pretty much wasted. Get something and get the fundamentals down then go from there.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 5" group at 500 yards is not the best group but it is also not the worst. </div></div>
The capabilities of the rifle are better then a 5" group, I gaurantee that. The shooter is still new lol.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A 5" group at 500 yards is not the best group but it is also not the worst. </div></div>
The capabilities of the rifle are better then a 5" group, I gaurantee that. The shooter is still new lol.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
5" groups are pretty decent. If your still new than just shoot as much as possible. You also didn't mention your optics or if you reload. If you don't reload, that's the best way to gain the most from your gun at this point.
5" groups are pretty decent. If your still new than just shoot as much as possible. You also didn't mention your optics or if you reload. If you don't reload, that's the best way to gain the most from your gun at this point.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
I don't reload. I shoot Hornady Match ammo. My scope is a Millet LRS. Great scope for around $500, tons of adjustment and really clear. I don't shoot very good groups further out but I have hit stuff at longer distances. Everything I ask, seems like one of the answers is reloading. I'm a little nervous about blowing up my house or my gun, but I guess I'm going to have to get into that.
I don't reload. I shoot Hornady Match ammo. My scope is a Millet LRS. Great scope for around $500, tons of adjustment and really clear. I don't shoot very good groups further out but I have hit stuff at longer distances. Everything I ask, seems like one of the answers is reloading. I'm a little nervous about blowing up my house or my gun, but I guess I'm going to have to get into that.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
LOL. Maybe it's because I don't understand reloading, but how is reloading my own ammo going to give me more accurate ammo then ammo's like Hornady match ammo?
LOL. Maybe it's because I don't understand reloading, but how is reloading my own ammo going to give me more accurate ammo then ammo's like Hornady match ammo?
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
Consistency and tailored to your rifle. You get to experiment and find what your rifle likes and then build it.
Can shoot more rounds per $ as well.
Consistency and tailored to your rifle. You get to experiment and find what your rifle likes and then build it.
Can shoot more rounds per $ as well.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
While Hornady loads some excellent ammo and I use it for practice and in matches in my Creedmoor, loading your own allows that little bit more customization in powder charge, bullet weight and seating depth to tune that load to the rifle perfectly. I know this doesn't meet the group size rule so no one alert the mods as I already know
and 3 shots was the course of fire for this drill so i couldn't shoot more but here's 3 shots I shot at the NorCal match at 500 yards with my .243. Handloading helps
It's not very hard to handload. Just use a good amount of attention to detail and the right tools and you will be all set.
While Hornady loads some excellent ammo and I use it for practice and in matches in my Creedmoor, loading your own allows that little bit more customization in powder charge, bullet weight and seating depth to tune that load to the rifle perfectly. I know this doesn't meet the group size rule so no one alert the mods as I already know
It's not very hard to handload. Just use a good amount of attention to detail and the right tools and you will be all set.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
Each gun has attributes that determine which load it shoots best. I shoot an off caliber (for general target shooting), so that necessitates reloading. If your caliber has match ammo that shoots to your liking, reloading might no be for you. The general consensus is you can formulate a load (powder, projectile, etc.) that YOUR gun shoots, by trial & error or luck. You can then find an accuracy node that pinpoints what your rifle "likes" and is more accurate with than factory ammo.
Each gun has attributes that determine which load it shoots best. I shoot an off caliber (for general target shooting), so that necessitates reloading. If your caliber has match ammo that shoots to your liking, reloading might no be for you. The general consensus is you can formulate a load (powder, projectile, etc.) that YOUR gun shoots, by trial & error or luck. You can then find an accuracy node that pinpoints what your rifle "likes" and is more accurate with than factory ammo.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
If you're a new shooter and are holding minute of angle to 500 yards you're doing great. Reloading will save you money, but you'll have time invested in it too.
If you can afford to buy factory ammo I'd stick to that for the time savings and then I'd recommend you get signed up for the online training here and also take some actual instruction from a good trainer.
In my opinion if you took the difference of a full custom rifle, high end scope, over what you've got now and invested that in ammo and quality instruction, you'll be winning matches with the rifle you have.
If you're a new shooter and are holding minute of angle to 500 yards you're doing great. Reloading will save you money, but you'll have time invested in it too.
If you can afford to buy factory ammo I'd stick to that for the time savings and then I'd recommend you get signed up for the online training here and also take some actual instruction from a good trainer.
In my opinion if you took the difference of a full custom rifle, high end scope, over what you've got now and invested that in ammo and quality instruction, you'll be winning matches with the rifle you have.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
You can also try different types of ammo and maybe a different bullet gr depending on the twist of your barrel.
the rifle can shoot better then what you are getting with it.
You can also try different types of ammo and maybe a different bullet gr depending on the twist of your barrel.
the rifle can shoot better then what you are getting with it.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tanda10506</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL. Maybe it's because I don't understand reloading, but how is reloading my own ammo going to give me more accurate ammo then ammo's like Hornady match ammo? </div></div>
There's a couple of answers to this question. Reloading does require an initial investment, but if you don't mind spending the time to do it, it DOES end up being worthwhile. If you figure in all the time to reload, then it's not necessarily "cheaper" than match grade ammo. If you have more spare time than money, it's a GREAT way to spend some time and have ammo. Lots of us that do it "cheaper", don't really spend any less money, we just shoot more. That's the funny thing, almost all of us have a budget, and we are willing and able to spend only so much money shooting. $500 in reloading components goes a lot further than $500 on match grade ammunition, IF you're talking about round count (excluding time). So that means you get to shoot more for the same amount of money, which is what usually happens. The more you get to shoot, see wind, and practice proper fundamentals, the better you'll get.
When reloading, you can tune the load to your rifle. With match grade ammunition, you're left at the mercy of the manufacturer. Not all match loads work equally as well in all rifles. Sometimes people want to shoot a specific bullet or have a velocity requirement they want to reach. With reloading, you can make your load HOWEVER you want (within reasonable limits due to safety). Basically you can tune a load so that the node is resting right at the crown of the barrel. You may have heard some people refer to "accuracy nodes", and that is what we're talking about here. Have you ever studied sine waves, or noticed the "still place" when you're moving a string up and down. As the entire string moves up and down, there's a "node" that is still. We adjust our loads so that the "still place" is right at the crown of the barrel. This means that while the barrel is vibrating and moving minutely, the moment the bullet leaves the barrel is still. This cuts down on dispersion and any vibrations that could adversely effect the bullet.
There's a lot more to reloading than just that, but I hope that gives you an idea of some of the possibilities with reloading. You can have much stricter quality control on your reloads, and just get more consistent ammunition. Lots of us buy the same lot of powder, primers, bullets, etc. IF possible. Whether you realize it or not, there is differences from one lot of ammunition to another, and this can result in different dope. There's so many small differences that can happen, and not much of a reason to get into it. Needless to say, most match grade ammunition isn't held to the standards that lots of reloaders use here. The factory isn't always too worried about an extra .1 grains of powder, but we are. You can just keep strict controls on seating depth, velocity, deviations in velocity, temperature sensitivity of a load, bullets, etc. etc. Ammunition is a VERY key component of long range shooting, you're at least somewhat aware of this fact because you only shoot match grade ammo. Consistency is everything as the range increases, and reloading is just a way to have more control over the consistency of your ammo, and have it perfectly matched to your rifle.
You might should buy a reloading book, to see what you would be getting into. They're not all that expensive, but might make you feel a little better. There's also some VERY good threads in the reloading forum about precision reloading. We're talking very detailed, step by step walk through of how to do it RIGHT. Not all people are as tedious as that thread, some even more, but it's a good primer anyway. If you're paying attention and cautious, there is no reason to worry that you're going to blow the house up. You know that even in factory ammunition, there's mistakes that happen and guns that go KABOOM! You have to be smart, and not distracted while reloading, but it's very rewarding. Just some things to consider.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tanda10506</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL. Maybe it's because I don't understand reloading, but how is reloading my own ammo going to give me more accurate ammo then ammo's like Hornady match ammo? </div></div>
There's a couple of answers to this question. Reloading does require an initial investment, but if you don't mind spending the time to do it, it DOES end up being worthwhile. If you figure in all the time to reload, then it's not necessarily "cheaper" than match grade ammo. If you have more spare time than money, it's a GREAT way to spend some time and have ammo. Lots of us that do it "cheaper", don't really spend any less money, we just shoot more. That's the funny thing, almost all of us have a budget, and we are willing and able to spend only so much money shooting. $500 in reloading components goes a lot further than $500 on match grade ammunition, IF you're talking about round count (excluding time). So that means you get to shoot more for the same amount of money, which is what usually happens. The more you get to shoot, see wind, and practice proper fundamentals, the better you'll get.
When reloading, you can tune the load to your rifle. With match grade ammunition, you're left at the mercy of the manufacturer. Not all match loads work equally as well in all rifles. Sometimes people want to shoot a specific bullet or have a velocity requirement they want to reach. With reloading, you can make your load HOWEVER you want (within reasonable limits due to safety). Basically you can tune a load so that the node is resting right at the crown of the barrel. You may have heard some people refer to "accuracy nodes", and that is what we're talking about here. Have you ever studied sine waves, or noticed the "still place" when you're moving a string up and down. As the entire string moves up and down, there's a "node" that is still. We adjust our loads so that the "still place" is right at the crown of the barrel. This means that while the barrel is vibrating and moving minutely, the moment the bullet leaves the barrel is still. This cuts down on dispersion and any vibrations that could adversely effect the bullet.
There's a lot more to reloading than just that, but I hope that gives you an idea of some of the possibilities with reloading. You can have much stricter quality control on your reloads, and just get more consistent ammunition. Lots of us buy the same lot of powder, primers, bullets, etc. IF possible. Whether you realize it or not, there is differences from one lot of ammunition to another, and this can result in different dope. There's so many small differences that can happen, and not much of a reason to get into it. Needless to say, most match grade ammunition isn't held to the standards that lots of reloaders use here. The factory isn't always too worried about an extra .1 grains of powder, but we are. You can just keep strict controls on seating depth, velocity, deviations in velocity, temperature sensitivity of a load, bullets, etc. etc. Ammunition is a VERY key component of long range shooting, you're at least somewhat aware of this fact because you only shoot match grade ammo. Consistency is everything as the range increases, and reloading is just a way to have more control over the consistency of your ammo, and have it perfectly matched to your rifle.
You might should buy a reloading book, to see what you would be getting into. They're not all that expensive, but might make you feel a little better. There's also some VERY good threads in the reloading forum about precision reloading. We're talking very detailed, step by step walk through of how to do it RIGHT. Not all people are as tedious as that thread, some even more, but it's a good primer anyway. If you're paying attention and cautious, there is no reason to worry that you're going to blow the house up. You know that even in factory ammunition, there's mistakes that happen and guns that go KABOOM! You have to be smart, and not distracted while reloading, but it's very rewarding. Just some things to consider.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
Depends.
I upgraded from my 700 to the AE MkII because I was reaching the limits of the accuracy afforded by the platform in it's stock form. I didn't feel like having it trued and re-barreled at this point.
I realize the AE is not a custom rifle, but the accuracy difference was noticeable enough that as soon as I started shooting it I could see where the 700 was holding me back.
To directly answer your question is almost impossible. The number of variables is staggering beginning with your skill as a shooter. If you are happy with your Remington, then stick with it.
I would still be on my 700 if I didn't compete. I love shooting that rifle and will probably keep tinkering with it to see what I can squeeze out of it before I get it trued and barreled. It will probably continue to be my "long range" .308 since the accuracy difference between it and the AE is small enough to be overshadowed by the environmental effects. However the accuracy difference at 100 yards is enough to loose me points on the KYL stages.
Depends.
I upgraded from my 700 to the AE MkII because I was reaching the limits of the accuracy afforded by the platform in it's stock form. I didn't feel like having it trued and re-barreled at this point.
I realize the AE is not a custom rifle, but the accuracy difference was noticeable enough that as soon as I started shooting it I could see where the 700 was holding me back.
To directly answer your question is almost impossible. The number of variables is staggering beginning with your skill as a shooter. If you are happy with your Remington, then stick with it.
I would still be on my 700 if I didn't compete. I love shooting that rifle and will probably keep tinkering with it to see what I can squeeze out of it before I get it trued and barreled. It will probably continue to be my "long range" .308 since the accuracy difference between it and the AE is small enough to be overshadowed by the environmental effects. However the accuracy difference at 100 yards is enough to loose me points on the KYL stages.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
Here is a thought for a custom build that always seems to be cheaper to do.
Custom action Lawton 795 comes with base and recoil lug, Or the Stiller TAC
Barrel Krieger 330
Jewell 220
AI stock 1.5 900
Smithing 500
Total cost 2745
You save a 130 for the base and about 25 for the recoil lug.The overall cost of building a custom is comparable. But for some here is your choice with a factory 5R Mil
Bedding Job 30 (Doing it yourself) not hard to do
Jewell Trigger 220 (easy to adjust and install yourself)
Cost of Rifle 995 to 1100
Total cost 1350
If you add a floorplate 350 to smithing 150 you are still under the value by 900 to 1000
Should shoot 1/2 moa with the right custom loads.
Here is a thought for a custom build that always seems to be cheaper to do.
Custom action Lawton 795 comes with base and recoil lug, Or the Stiller TAC
Barrel Krieger 330
Jewell 220
AI stock 1.5 900
Smithing 500
Total cost 2745
You save a 130 for the base and about 25 for the recoil lug.The overall cost of building a custom is comparable. But for some here is your choice with a factory 5R Mil
Bedding Job 30 (Doing it yourself) not hard to do
Jewell Trigger 220 (easy to adjust and install yourself)
Cost of Rifle 995 to 1100
Total cost 1350
If you add a floorplate 350 to smithing 150 you are still under the value by 900 to 1000
Should shoot 1/2 moa with the right custom loads.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While Hornady loads some excellent ammo and I use it for practice and in matches in my Creedmoor, loading your own allows that little bit more customization in powder charge, bullet weight and seating depth to tune that load to the rifle perfectly. I know this doesn't meet the group size rule so no one alert the mods as I already know
and 3 shots was the course of fire for this drill so i couldn't shoot more but here's 3 shots I shot at the NorCal match at 500 yards with my .243. Handloading helps
It's not very hard to handload. Just use a good amount of attention to detail and the right tools and you will be all set. </div></div>
Rob, that's an awesome "group" (I know, I know!!!). But is that with a 115 grain pill?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">While Hornady loads some excellent ammo and I use it for practice and in matches in my Creedmoor, loading your own allows that little bit more customization in powder charge, bullet weight and seating depth to tune that load to the rifle perfectly. I know this doesn't meet the group size rule so no one alert the mods as I already know
It's not very hard to handload. Just use a good amount of attention to detail and the right tools and you will be all set. </div></div>
Rob, that's an awesome "group" (I know, I know!!!). But is that with a 115 grain pill?
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
a remington 5r shooting 178 grain amax bullets will shoot 1/2 moa @ 100 yards all day long.
a remington 5r shooting 178 grain amax bullets will shoot 1/2 moa @ 100 yards all day long.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: handym3000</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a remington 5r shooting 178 grain amax bullets will shoot 1/2 moa @ 100 yards all day long. </div></div>
BS. Depends on the shooter and that particular rifle.
True 1/2 MOA accuracy is not that easy to attain, and your statement cheapens it and gives unrealistic goals to a lot of new shooters IMO.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: handym3000</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a remington 5r shooting 178 grain amax bullets will shoot 1/2 moa @ 100 yards all day long. </div></div>
BS. Depends on the shooter and that particular rifle.
True 1/2 MOA accuracy is not that easy to attain, and your statement cheapens it and gives unrealistic goals to a lot of new shooters IMO.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: handym3000</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a remington 5r shooting 178 grain amax bullets will shoot 1/2 moa @ 100 yards all day long. </div></div>
Perfect, I am working on loads for my 5R and would love to see a few of your 10 shot groups. SScott
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: handym3000</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a remington 5r shooting 178 grain amax bullets will shoot 1/2 moa @ 100 yards all day long. </div></div>
Perfect, I am working on loads for my 5R and would love to see a few of your 10 shot groups. SScott
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: handym3000</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a remington 5r shooting 178 grain amax bullets will shoot 1/2 moa @ 100 yards all day long. </div></div>
You forgot to add "if I do my part".
I call Shenanigans!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: handym3000</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a remington 5r shooting 178 grain amax bullets will shoot 1/2 moa @ 100 yards all day long. </div></div>
You forgot to add "if I do my part".
I call Shenanigans!
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
Ive had this same question come up in my own thoughts as well in the past.....Custom rifle vs a Factory gun with mods. I do not own a true "custom" rifle. I hope to some day, but not for just the sole purpose of increased accuracy.
I have a 700PSS in .308 that has the following mods:
Trigger job
Match rechambered
.340 neck
barrel recrowned
action bedded in factory stock
Badger base
Badger rings
NF 5.5-20X56 scope
I do my own reloading, Im not a pro at it, but I know the basics and have been doing it since I was 9yrs old standing in a kitchen chair at my dads reloading bench. With the load I have worked up for this rifle it will shoot "one hole" 3 shot groups at 100yds and I do have pics to prove this. Accuracy is maintained nicely out to 600yds. I'd confidently put this rifle up against anyone's custom rifle any day. I am NOT saying that my shooting skills are better than someone else's. I have alot to learn still since I am still very new to LR shooting, Im just saying that with the right SKILLED/seasoned shooter behind this gun it could shoot just as accuratley as any full custom rifle round for round. Maybe im wrong in my assumptions, but its gonna have to be proved to me before I beleive it.
My point is, with the right mods/smithing and the correct load development a factory rifle can shoot right along side a full custom rig. I plan to own a custom rifle one day, but i want one for the excellent craftsmanship, art, and skill that goes into a custom rifle......not because I think it shoots more accuratley.
*Im not trying to start a pissing contest with this post and like I said Im new to LR shooting, but you cant argue with the performance of the rifle that I have.....its right there on paper. I can post the pics, but currently I am on shift at work and we are blocked from getting on PhotoBucket from the company desktops.
Ive had this same question come up in my own thoughts as well in the past.....Custom rifle vs a Factory gun with mods. I do not own a true "custom" rifle. I hope to some day, but not for just the sole purpose of increased accuracy.
I have a 700PSS in .308 that has the following mods:
Trigger job
Match rechambered
.340 neck
barrel recrowned
action bedded in factory stock
Badger base
Badger rings
NF 5.5-20X56 scope
I do my own reloading, Im not a pro at it, but I know the basics and have been doing it since I was 9yrs old standing in a kitchen chair at my dads reloading bench. With the load I have worked up for this rifle it will shoot "one hole" 3 shot groups at 100yds and I do have pics to prove this. Accuracy is maintained nicely out to 600yds. I'd confidently put this rifle up against anyone's custom rifle any day. I am NOT saying that my shooting skills are better than someone else's. I have alot to learn still since I am still very new to LR shooting, Im just saying that with the right SKILLED/seasoned shooter behind this gun it could shoot just as accuratley as any full custom rifle round for round. Maybe im wrong in my assumptions, but its gonna have to be proved to me before I beleive it.
My point is, with the right mods/smithing and the correct load development a factory rifle can shoot right along side a full custom rig. I plan to own a custom rifle one day, but i want one for the excellent craftsmanship, art, and skill that goes into a custom rifle......not because I think it shoots more accuratley.
*Im not trying to start a pissing contest with this post and like I said Im new to LR shooting, but you cant argue with the performance of the rifle that I have.....its right there on paper. I can post the pics, but currently I am on shift at work and we are blocked from getting on PhotoBucket from the company desktops.
Re: Out of box with Mods vs Custom
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trevor300wsm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ive had this same question come up in my own thoughts as well in the past.....Custom rifle vs a Factory gun with mods. I do not own a true "custom" rifle. I hope to some day, but not for just the sole purpose of increased accuracy.
I have a 700PSS in .308 that has the following mods:
Trigger job
Match rechambered
.340 neck
barrel recrowned
action bedded in factory stock
Badger base
Badger rings
NF 5.5-20X56 scope
I do my own reloading, Im not a pro at it, but I know the basics and have been doing it since I was 9yrs old standing in a kitchen chair at my dads reloading bench. <span style="color: #FF0000">With the load I have worked up for this rifle it will shoot "one hole" 3 shot groups at 100yds and I do have pics to prove this.</span> Accuracy is maintained nicely out to 600yds. I'd confidently put this rifle up against anyone's custom rifle any day. I am NOT saying that my shooting skills are better than someone else's. I have alot to learn still since I am still very new to LR shooting, Im just saying that with the right SKILLED/seasoned shooter behind this gun it could shoot just as accuratley as any full custom rifle round for round. Maybe im wrong in my assumptions, but its gonna have to be proved to me before I beleive it.
My point is, with the right mods/smithing and the correct load development a factory rifle can shoot right along side a full custom rig. I plan to own a custom rifle one day, but i want one for the excellent craftsmanship, art, and skill that goes into a custom rifle......not because I think it shoots more accuratley.
*Im not trying to start a pissing contest with this post and like I said Im new to LR shooting, but you cant argue with the performance of the rifle that I have.....its right there on paper. </div></div>
Don't post the pics, someone will get upset and you'll get your pee-pee slapped.
But, you are right, I just recieved a rifle built on a remmy 700 that shoots as well if not better than the full customs
I've had in the recent past. When I shoot at 200yds on steel you cannot see that there are multiple bullet strikes on the target it just stacks them right on top of each other.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: trevor300wsm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ive had this same question come up in my own thoughts as well in the past.....Custom rifle vs a Factory gun with mods. I do not own a true "custom" rifle. I hope to some day, but not for just the sole purpose of increased accuracy.
I have a 700PSS in .308 that has the following mods:
Trigger job
Match rechambered
.340 neck
barrel recrowned
action bedded in factory stock
Badger base
Badger rings
NF 5.5-20X56 scope
I do my own reloading, Im not a pro at it, but I know the basics and have been doing it since I was 9yrs old standing in a kitchen chair at my dads reloading bench. <span style="color: #FF0000">With the load I have worked up for this rifle it will shoot "one hole" 3 shot groups at 100yds and I do have pics to prove this.</span> Accuracy is maintained nicely out to 600yds. I'd confidently put this rifle up against anyone's custom rifle any day. I am NOT saying that my shooting skills are better than someone else's. I have alot to learn still since I am still very new to LR shooting, Im just saying that with the right SKILLED/seasoned shooter behind this gun it could shoot just as accuratley as any full custom rifle round for round. Maybe im wrong in my assumptions, but its gonna have to be proved to me before I beleive it.
My point is, with the right mods/smithing and the correct load development a factory rifle can shoot right along side a full custom rig. I plan to own a custom rifle one day, but i want one for the excellent craftsmanship, art, and skill that goes into a custom rifle......not because I think it shoots more accuratley.
*Im not trying to start a pissing contest with this post and like I said Im new to LR shooting, but you cant argue with the performance of the rifle that I have.....its right there on paper. </div></div>
Don't post the pics, someone will get upset and you'll get your pee-pee slapped.
But, you are right, I just recieved a rifle built on a remmy 700 that shoots as well if not better than the full customs
I've had in the recent past. When I shoot at 200yds on steel you cannot see that there are multiple bullet strikes on the target it just stacks them right on top of each other.
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