Suppressors + , +P and +P+ ammunition history

Dsparil

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where did the higher pressure rounds originate from? Were they originally used in submachineguns first due to thicker chamber walls? I recall hearing of individuals in the specops community experimenting(at their own risk) with this ammunition in their sidearms to see if it would work and they discovered it would to an extent even though it was originally designed for subguns. Would like to figure out what the correct story is on the ammo. This is my understanding.
 
Re: + , +P and +P+ ammunition history

Back in the late 70's early 80's the US Treasury load was 110 grain +P+ .38 Special. When I was on the MD State police we used that load. Not a .357 magnum load but hotter than normal +P .38 Special. I am sure there are other calibers with that designation. The .38 Special +P+ is the only one have shot that I am familiar with.

Good luck

Jerry
 
Re: + , +P and +P+ ammunition history

I shot +P+ and +P in my .45 a long time ago. I had the same information that the original +P was a designation for carbine ammo in both 9mm and 45ACP.

The quoted sources of this page are of good source so this is as close as I have ever come to getting rid of the mystery

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/+P+

From the middle of the page:
"StandardsIn the United States, standards related to arms and ammunition are maintained and published by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute (SAAMI), which publishes standard internal pressures of calibers, formerly measured in copper units of pressure and currently in psi based on piezoelectric instrumentation. Official +P pressures are established by the SAAMI for certain cartridges; in general the +P pressure is approximately 10% higher than the standard pressure (see chart below). SAAMI does not have a +P+ pressure standard, but this indicates a pressure higher than the +P loading. In both cases this is below the pressure of proof test cartridge, which all firearms are required to withstand before they may be sold. Proof pressure are established by the SAAMI, as a percentage of the working pressure, so this places an upper bound on the +P+ pressures of 30–40%.[4] By way of comparison, magnum calibers may be loaded to nearly twice the pressure of the rounds from which they were derived. Overpressure rounds are commonly defensive rounds and are loaded by police and others in need of maximum power in a compact firearm. Accordingly, most overpressure rounds are hollow points or other types of expanding ammunition.

It must be noted that "higher pressure" is not the same as "high pressure"; +P cartridges are generally loaded to pressures far below those typically found in magnum cartridges. The +P standard is designed so that if a shooter was to accidentally use a +P cartridge in a non-+P-rated firearm, the chance of a one-time explosive failure is minimal as long as the gun was in good physical condition. Repeated firing of +P ammunition in a gun not rated for it will drastically speed mechanical failure of the gun, however, and so it should only be used in firearms designated by the manufacturer as safe for +P use.

[edit] Commercially available +P cartridgesCartridges that are commonly boosted with +P pressures are the 9 mm Luger, .45 ACP, and .38 Special, which are all cartridges that date from the dawn of the 20th Century. There has been significant improvement in metallurgy and quality since the first guns in those calibers have been made, with the result that higher pressures are now safe in modern firearms. Many models will specify to the degree they can use +P ammunition; for example, many aluminum alloy framed .38 Special revolvers should not regularly be used with +P ammunition, for while the cylinder is capable of withstanding the pressures, the added force will increase wear and reduce the service life of the gun." - wiki -
 
Re: + , +P and +P+ ammunition history

When I get my garage redone this summer and get my reloading bench rebuilt I plan on working on a high pressure load for my .45 in the form of 45 Super. Why screw with a short case when a longer one will fit with a rebarrel and a magazine swap?
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