PCP reliability and accuracy/precision

Alright, so I messed up and poked my nose into the PCP world. Watched a few videos and saw guys cutting single hole type groups at 50 yards with .22/.25 caliber PCP rifles. Quiet, CHEAP to run lead down the barrel (not so much initial setup, but pay to play and all that).

I very much enjoy reloading, I get to control my fps deviations that way, I know my rounds are good to go, so anything I see besides tight groups is me being a dumbass behind the trigger. I have a couple of rifles that are proofed and I've done the work and reloading to get them down to 1/8th to 1/4" groups at 100 yards IF I'm not a shaky mess that particular day. I have a Winchester 52C and a Rem 40-X in .22LR that absolutely highlight my shortcomings, however finding the green box Remington subsonic LRN those rifles like is getting tough. I have plenty of resources but my time anymore is worth the most.

So, back to the PCP rifles. I've seen quite a few vids where the 600/700mm barreled rifles are just stacking them at 50 yards. Watching the chrono that's often in a picture-in-picture in these videos I can see that the FPS numbers are quite often single-digit deviation(s) and that makes me yearn for that kind of consistency. Y'all know how much it costs, money and time, to buy top-slot brass, good bullets, good powder(if you can find the type you use) and primers and then all the fiddly work to get "identical" brass as a base(trimming, weighing, volume measurements...etc). Compared to buying 15 different tins of pellets and finding the weight/skirt combo that works and then stocking up them at 500 rounds for 25 bucks, it's obvious which route will garner the most trigger time vs. time invested in prepping. I'm not even going to sniff slugs at this point, I will likely eventually do so.

I have read that some of the older (2023-ish) FX rifles are prone to losing POI if handled with anything but the gentlest of intentions. I can hack that, hardcase and bench is about all the rifle would ever see anyway. My concern is longevity in a nutshell. Once I get rolling I can happily sit and punch 20 or 30 5 shot groups before I need to put a fresh target up, and I tend to shoot for 3 hours at a stretch. Hundreds of rounds, I have a wickedly active mind, being able to feed it one task for a long stretch of time is cathartic and shooting (and reloading) are great for that. I leave the range in a relaxed and awesome mood, even if I shot like crap.

Congrats if you've made it this far. Now the question.

I really (think) I like the FX DRS Tactical. 600/700 mm, the 700 has the "heavy" barrel and will play better with slugs, so more opportunity to screw around with options there. I have oodles of AR bits and pieces laying around, all my scopes are pic rail set ups (one T-36 on dovetail, but that's a vintage rifle) and I like ARs. From what I've seen that DRS is fully capable of tight groups, consistent FPS and has a huge HUGE aftermarket in that most anything AR will be compatible. I'm a little worried that the videos and articles I've read are maybe skewing the results some in that the people demoing these rifles know more than I about PCP setups and have tweaked the rifles with their mastery of the sport and I'm going to be sorely disappointed when I send lead downrange (50/100 yards). Will I wear it out and begin to hate o-rings and be chasing leaks? Is there another rifle out there that has a built-in aftermarket like the DRS Tac? Oh, I'm a lefty too, a dirty, dirty lefty. I can cope, have been for 50+ years but it's worth mentioning.
 
In my experience with PCP guns (I have 3 of them), it's not a matter of IF you are going to have a leak, it's WHEN.

A lot of these PCP rifles have dozens of o-rings, and they can be a pain in the ass to troubleshoot.

I have a Taipan Veteran that developed a leak a couple of years ago, spent hours and hours trying to diagnose it with no luck. Its still not operational, I guess I should send it off to a professional but it hasn't been a priority.

Airguns are awesome for shooting where it's not legal to do so with a firearm. But personally, I would pick a rimfire over an airgun 10 times out of 10 when legal to do so.
 
kthomas, send that gun off to Derrick Wall of Tenacious Airguns out of Texas. He's a great guy and just as good a shooter. He's also a premier tuner. BTW Tiapan is one of the all time best pcp's ever made. It just needs new orings is all.

OP, as far as PRS or NRL shooting the FX Panthera and DRS Pro are almost the only specific airguns made for those sports. Problem is the ones you see in the videos are most assuredly highly tuned examples, some with solid barrels vs liner systems. I HATE POI shifts and liners can be trouble in this regard. Personally in general I've had poor luck with FX Products. I think the Panthera puts out more power if that's a concern.

There are no perfect airguns though. You buy one and deal with any faults you might find. Firearms can be the same way, right?!

Just like in the firearms world when you buy production guns it's a lottery if you'll get a good barrel or not and whether the gun works correctly.

Ammo can be problematic too - It's super frustrating when one buys a good batch made in one mold of one particular design and the manufacturer changes the mold out to a new one that is different that turns out doesn't shoot as well. Stupid but this happens!

You might not realize how low of a G1 BC a pellet has. You're talking a .05 BC for a 22 cal 25.4gr pellet vs a .15 BC for a 40gr 22rf bullet. This translates to wind affects in the vertical and even worse in the horizontal. Yes 3 times the wind drift. It's not for the faint of heart. Also most pellets start to wack out come 90Y. Weird but at 100Y the groups can double in size only 10 yards farther.

What did I do?? I kept the 30 fpe pcp's using pellets for 90Y and in(mostly sub 55Y but on occasion to 80Y), and use slugs in 49 fpe to 99 fpe pcp's, which do quite well hundreds of yards away, and half the time will outshoot my 22rf's.

It's really hard to beat a AGT Vulcan 3! These are darn reliable guns that hold zero well. Have had three AGT guns and all worked great along with being fairly precise. Not the best for NRL or PRS because they weren't designed for these sports. My 25 cal V3 is set to 99 fpe using 60gr Altaros slugs with a .245BC. In the wind it's easier to stay on steel compared to a 22rf which is fun to see during a side by side like I've done before.

The latest one I bought is a Skout EVO. I've had some problems that needed attention (they sent the parts under warranty and it was an easy fix) but this gun has so many great attributes that I like it a lot, one is a carbon fiber clad 16mm solid barrel of 15.75" twist, so it shoots 22 cal 32.3 gr Altaros slugs really well. Set to 49 fpe, and at 250Y a few weeks ago, it was easy to hit a kittycat sized/shaped steel in 5-10 mph winds coming from 3-4 oclock. This slug has a G1 BC of .18 and 30 rounds per mag! Fun gun! Haven't tried it yet but it should get 40gr Altaros slugs with a G1 BC of .21 to mid 950 fps.
 
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