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People ask me why I don't like Sig.......

ToddM

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I should just make a handout of this. :) This is why I don't like Sig.....among tons of other things there are so many lemons in their barrel lotteries.

Let's start with my Gen 2 MPX 16" with a red dot. These are typical groups 6-8" out of it at 50yds, 115gr, 147gr, match ammo etc. doesn't matter. It runs fairly reliable as far as MPX's go but the accuracy is abysmal. $500 combat handguns print better groups than this in a rest with match ammo at 50yds. Shot off an accutac bipod and rear bag. Tried all the tricks, removing the muzzle device, making sure the barrel was torqued properly, adjustable gas block, even tried a different bolt since I had one replaced when Sig changed firing pins. Doesn't matter if it's off a bipod or bags. It's a shotgun. I would expect something like this, especially with better match ammo to easily hold 3-4" at 50yds. I've seen JP-5's do close to that at 100yds with match ammo. Some of these almost look like the bullets are starting to tumble.

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Then let's move onto my MCX Legacy 16".......these are two sets of groups at 50yds. Both are 3 separate groups of 5 rounds each (the far left round on the right target is actually part of the left target's groups). The one on the left with typical 55gr AE ammo (no one expects much out of that) the group on the right is Barnes 69gr. No sight adjustments mind you, shot off an accutac bipod and rear bag. Actually worse than the groups shot out of the MPX.....that alone is impressive! This barrel was actually returned to Sig a couple years ago and I was told it tested to their specs. I've done all the things, barrel nut torque, removed the flash hider in case it was torqued on too hard, all the things. It's a shotgun even with match ammo. I can say without a doubt this is the worst shooting barrel accuracy wise I've ever had. No tumbling here, the bullet holes you can find on a target at 100 are still clean holes.

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Now you might just say "Oh that guy just bitter and doesn't know how to shoot. Well here's a 20rd group (4 separate groups of 5 shots) with the same 69gr Barnes ammo shot out of a virtus barrel installed on the exact same optic (1-6x)/upper/lower (different tapered bolt of course for the virtus) today as well, shot off the same bipod and rear bag. Except this group is at 100 yds. Still not as impressive as a couple of my JP barreled AR's with match ammo (especially considering Sig charges $900 for a barrel) but for a 1:7 Sig barrel, of a bipod and rear bag, and 4 separate groups, It's more than acceptable.. The downside is the weight of the Virtus barrel destroys the gun's balance and you lose the best part of the MCX (light weight and balance) in the process.

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I could go on, we could get into the issues I had to solve with my 320 X-five to get it to run, but those were fairly easily solvable.
 
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Pics fixed hopefully. Yeah I could rant about Sig for hours, even the government is learning their stuff sucks. Genius marking hype though, man they could sell ice to eskimos in winter.

I bought my MPX, MCX, and a P320 X-five around the same time, and prior to that I'd had good luck with Sig, that said they were P226's and mostly German ones at that. Those 3 guns have caused me more headache than all my other guns combined in at least 10 years, and that's saying something after having to deal with Beretta CS.
 
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Was RO'ing a match a couple years ago. Dude comes up with an MCX if I remember correctly. I don't know anything about them and he notices me checking it out. Proceeds to walk me through all the special features and tell me how it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and how he "knows a guy" that got him a deal so it only cost him about as much as a nice JP rifle.
Then I get to watch it shit the bed for three minutes straight and struggle to hit a 10" plate at 200 yards. Dude wasn't so talkative after that.
 
The problem is SIG USA, and if SIG/Sauer is smart they'll spin it off/sell it off and require the successor to be named as not a SIG company/product. All that fat dollarage from gov contracts must have been needed at SIG/Sauer's end of things, somehow. As a historic company they will regret that dollarage influx because of the reputation damage it's done.
 
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